New Hampshire Results - Main Open Thread

...then a very large percentage of the voters must not have even looked at the ballot and chosen randomly:

http://www.roadrec.com/Mc...

44% of those who dissapprove of the Iraq War chose McCain? "Bomb Iran" McCain? 100 years in Iraq McCain?

There is no hope whatsoever for this country if that many people are that stupid. The optimist in me hopes they are not that stupid... and that it actually was election fraud.

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i prefer to refer to the ghoul as mr. 9/12 as thats the day he became an expert on 9/11

Check out Rudy Giuliani's results on www.politico.com for the following three towns - Campton, Hampton and Sandwich. He got 9.11% for all three places. What are the odds of that?

PAUL 0 VOTES ----------- "DIXVILLE, - "Hand Counted Paper Ballots"

PAUL 0 VOTES ----------- "MILLSFIELD"-"Hand Counted Paper Ballots"

Has anyone heard any Q/A on these two towns in the north, I've heard other reports but nothing on these two.

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I am curious about your on the ground insights about Rockingham County. It seems that Guilliani got almost 1500 more votes than Paul in this single county (according to sos.nh.gov) and that played a big part in us losing to him by 2000 or so votes. Do you have any info such as demographics, intensity level of the campaigns in this area, that might help us understand?

For Liberty,
Becky Blauvelt
Formerly Known as Hestia

After reading this board, I really can't understand why everyone is so down after the Iowa *straw* poll and the New Hampshire Primary. If anyone has the right to be down, it is Giuliani and Fred Thompson. They got beat by a supposed fringe, long-shot, cooky candidate. The MSM gave them the best coverage money could buy. Every manipulation in the world couldn't get them to beat Ron Paul in Iowa and NH, respectively. When we started this campaign I felt like only 1-2% of Americans were aware of the tyranny and economic strife we faced. We have now have awoken 10% of the U.S. and many in the entire world(that might even prove to be more in other states). We are not simply persuading voters with sound-bites and a popularity contest, we are educating and bringing people out of a deep sleep. Every person we enlighten is not only a voter, but a soldier, with a mission to fight the establishment that has taken over our country. If the U.S. progresses to a more severe economical and political situation, these newcomers will be standing by our side in the fight(regardless of who is elected). People have been asleep for a long time, so it will take much effort to undo the damage that has happened. Unlike our forefathers who had no voice in their battle for freedom, we still own this country and no matter what they try to make us believe, we still can take back control. Don't forget that one of the main things most people like about Ron Paul, is that he is not a "top-down" guy and tends to let the people stay in control. Most grassroots campaigns have imploded by this time and would have never reached this level of support. He has been a great leader by keeping us on track with the message and setting a good example. It is so easy to forget the way our system of Government is supposed to work and he constantly reminds us of that. He knows that we are ultimately in charge and that we have the power to make it happen. Not him! If you are wanting a campaign that is bloated and micromanages everything with high power political professionals, this is not it. We have a network of dedicated true patriots that is larger than any amassed in the past. This does not hinge on Ron Paul anymore. We must continue even if he drops out tomorrow.

After reading this board, I really can't understand why everyone is so down after the Iowa *straw* poll and the New Hampshire Primary. If anyone has the right to be down, it is Giuliani and Fred Thompson. They got beat by a supposed fringe, long-shot, cooky candidate. The MSM gave them the best coverage money could buy. Every manipulation in the world couldn't get them to beat Ron Paul in Iowa and NH, respectively. When we started this campaign I felt like only 1-2% of Americans were aware of the tyranny and economic strife we faced. We have now have awoken 10% of the U.S. and many in the entire world(that might even prove to be more in other states). We are not simply persuading voters with sound-bites and a popularity contest, we are educating and bringing people out of a deep sleep. Every person we enlighten is not only a voter, but a soldier, with a mission to fight the establishment that has taken over our country. If the U.S. progresses to a more severe economical and political situation, these newcomers will be standing by our side in the fight(regardless of who is elected). People have been asleep for a long time, so it will take much effort to undo the damage that has happened. Unlike our forefathers who had no voice in their battle for freedom, we still own this country and no matter what they try to make us believe, we still can take back control. Don't forget that one of the main things most people like about Ron Paul, is that he is not a "top-down" guy and tends to let the people stay in control. Most grassroots campaigns have imploded by this time and would have never reached this level of support. He has been a great leader by keeping us on track with the message and setting a good example. It is so easy to forget the way our system of Government is supposed to work and he constantly reminds us of that. He knows that we are ultimately in charge and that we have the power to make it happen. Not him! If you are wanting a campaign that is bloated and micromanages everything with high power political professionals, this is not it. We have a network of dedicated true patriots that is larger than any amassed in the past. This does not hinge on Ron Paul anymore. We must continue even if he drops out tomorrow.

http://politics.nytimes.c...

Take a look at these from the "delegate" side (which is what we need, not simply voters). Huckabee with his win got 17 delegates, McCain now has a "whopping" 9 as the winner last night. Ron still has 2 from Iowa last week!

Now we're looking at Michigan, "NEVADA" (hello!), South Carolina and Florida that even a "decent" placing could get Ron the spread to make up for these "pre-season" primaries.

This is like saying that a football team who lost their first one or two games has no shot to make it into the playoffs! WAY TOO EARLY for that kind of thinking/talk!

We've known all along that we face a fight at the GOP National Convention, as there is NO clear "front-runner." So let's just strap on our helmets and get ready for the REAL game ahead!!!

Sorry for the football analogies if you're not a sports fan...lol :-)

Folks, this worrying about vote fraud is a sure way to lose the election. EVEN IF there is vote fraud in some places, it's the system we have to work with! It just means we must have a larger margin of victory. Going after vote fraud at this point will be the best way possible to make us look like sore losers and marginalize us, even better than the disrespectful actions of Fox.

(This is not to say we shouldn't have poll watchers there when they tally the votes. That is always necessary.)

Another thing sidelining us is the truther stuff. Sure, use it to motivate yourself if you want, but don't try to sell it in the campaign. We are trying to get Ron Paul elected; that should be our only focus.

The problem is, Ron Paul has poor appeal to older folks and women. Older folks especially get to the polls. Guess what, large crowds of people screaming "Ron Paul" over and over, lead by a jerk with a bullhorn, are not going to impress older folks and women. Imagine you are driving your grandma to the polls; what do you want her to see? Lots of signs, smiling people holding signs up is fine. Screaming is not. Disrespectful tactics are not. Truther rants are not. Hell, even pushing the Constitution will not work with this demographic; most people hardly give a rip about the Constitution, and we already have with us all the ones who do.

While R's generally are not deeply committed to their very flawed candidates, they are all very sure they don't want Hillary in office. We need to push the point over and over again that the voters who in 2006 rejected the neocon program of endless war, big government crony conservatism and trashed civil liberties are not going to turn around in 2008 and embrace it. If it's Hillary vs anyone-but-Ron, traditional conservatives and libertarians will stay home for the election and Hillary will be our next President.

I found another detailed city count on NPR then went back to the Boston site to compare numbers, it had been fixed...they both matched. So, as someone has already pointed out, unless there is conclusive proof we have nothing to go with here. If our votes are going to be on these machines that nearly everyone doesn't want and counted in secret I believe we have a huge grassroots job to do and it will take years. This started, as far as I can tell, back in 2000 with the hanging chad deal, then moved into the machines in 2004. The mandate requires all cities, who haven't banded them, to have them in the General Election...so there ya go..Clinton in the White House again. Sorry to be such a drag but although people are waking up, it's late in the game.

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This is only half tongue-in-cheek.....

I've changed my mind about putting a bunch of money into über-pro advertising. Why continue to dribble away an enormous war chest and give it to the very entities that detest you, namely the Establishment media?

I think Charles Rangel had an excellent idea a few months ago and Dr Paul could pick up the ball and run with it.

I would recommend that Congressman Paul, along with Congressman Kucinich if he's interested introduce legislation that makes military service mandatory, i.e. bring back conscription (the draft). No community programs, no tree planting projects in Nebraska, no peace corps or college/university deferments, bona fide military service would be required of all citizens between the ages of eighteen and thirty five.

That would get him all kinds of free air time with the Establishment media. During on-air interviews he could explain "Well, it seems the majority of the country is in favor of military intervention around the globe. The people are voting for Hillary and McCain for example and those two have promised to defend Israel no matter what kind of trouble Israel gets itself into. If we're going to take that position then we need to increase the size of our military dramatically, far beyond what we're accomplishing with an all volunteer force. We cannot hope to fight the Iranians in a ground war with the small army we have now, and most of the candidates continue to threaten Iran so we need to add another million soldiers to our infantry and infantry support structure."

Dr Paul wouldn't have to spend ten cents on promotional advertising after that. He's be all over the airwaves. We would know that the legislation is presented with sarcasm and we'd vote for him anyway, and many Americans of the mentally dull persuasion would vote for him thinking it was a serious bill of law.
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Jeder war ein großer Krieger
Hielten sich für Captain Kirk

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I was glad to come
I'll be sad to go
So while I'm here
I'll have me a real good time

Being a NH native myself, I can say that the votes were almost certainly not tampered with. Much of the state is on paper ballots, and the supervisors at the polls are generally very honest.

I hope folks don't go overboard insisting that there was widespread election fraud, because that would just be denial. There was heavy turnout, and a relatively tight race for #1.
The heavy turnout dilluted our vote to some extent, and the tight race probably drew away a number of independent votes for McCain. There were a lot of people in the anybody but Romney camp.

I really thought we'd finish somewhere between 10-15%, maybe even take third. I am a little disappointed, but we've come a long way in a short time. We got 10% in Iowa and 8*% in NH, for a republican candidate who wants to end the war, widthdraw troops from 130 countries around the world, bring back the gold standard, end the IRS, end the war on Drugs, and abolish the Dept. of Education.

Stay in the fight. Every state where we can make a showing sends a message to the GOP at the federal and state levels. People want smaller, constitutional government, and an end to miltary adventurism.

We beat Guiliani in Iowa, nearly tied him in NH, we beat Thompson in NH too.

I know that winning is an even more uphill struggle, but there is value in the struggle itself. You might not always win, but you have to stand up for this country, for our future, for our rights. Win or lose, I will be glad to say that I and so many of you were a part of this, and that we never gave up.

Let this galvinize your resolve, not errode it. We still have a lot of people to wake up, a lot of states to contest, and this race won't be over until after the convention. We have delagates already. I seriously doubt Ron will call it quits and let those delegates vote for someone else.

Finally, if you think this fight is tough, remember how much more the founders and their generation had to give, and how hopeless it must have looked at times.
"Live Free or Die, death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark

and nobody's going to listen. With fraud, you either have ironclad proof, or you catch it in the act.........neither of which we have. The poor showing of our support in New Hampshire will be a confirmation signal for the media to ignore Ron Paul..........sorry about it........but the campaign office, sitting on $20 million should have realized that an exceptional candidate like Ron Paul, who is having to fight all the opponents and press, would obviously need some success early on to captivate attention and credibility. And we didn't do it. The grassroots delivered them $20 million without even asking for it, and they turned that into a very poor result. One of three things. One, they didn't use the funds. Two, they used the funds ineffectively. or Three, they just didn't like Ron Paul's messege. Forget voter fraud.........

Checkout http://www.libertybroadca...

look towards the bottom.

Using only the hand counted votes we have almost 12% of that sample.

With hand counted and computer counted, we have only 9%.

With only computer counted (I manually subtracted)

We have 8%

Does anyone have a list of what counties are hand counted so I can use the full public stats to compare hand counted counties (but then again errors like the one in sutton exist and thats a hand counted county, but that error is so large its probably a mistake, not a purposeful lets shoot for a solid 8%)

Even though RP did not finish in the top three in Iowa or NH (assuming the vote counts are accurate), he was one of only three candidates to WIN a precinct in Iowa (Jefferson County) and so far one of only three candidates to WIN a precinct in NH (Town of Richmond).

This should be easy to settle. Accurate data still exists! in the form of walking, talking humans that voted for Dr. Paul. If the affidavit totals don't change Dr. Paul's ranking, we'll shut up. But if they do, then we've got what's described here:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Vote RON PAUL 2008
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So what good are the results IF those results have been tampered with?

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but something of this magnitude seems WRONG (to me) //

How about you?

Remember the HEAT on FoxNews & Ruppert Murdock? Even Jay Leno had Dr. Paul on his show and humiliated Murdock & his organization. The Neocons can't manipulate everyone---there is bound to be a few that slip throught the gate, and Jay Leno was one. He had nothing to lose, as I believe, he may be retiring soon.

Here's my point. Remember Fox saying their criteria was that Ron Paul was in the SINGLE DIGITS NATIONWIDE, remember? Then, you have to know they HAD to keep Dr. Paul in the single digits, in order to get rid of him AND to justify what they had done.

Now, there's a "conspiracy" theory, and, we have FRAUD here folks. We have a MAJOR NEWS ORG. tampering with focus groups in attempting to sway public opinion. We have proof of that, and I hope SOMEONE is keeping the evidence of Frank Luntz's manipulations.

I don't know how we can protect our vote, unless there were massive vote counts into the wee hours of the morning. BUT, it is MAJOR when a news org., not even a candidate, attempts what FoxNews has attempted.

EARTH TO SCOTTY!! Now, is the time for Headquarters to ACT. Where are the high powered attorneys who are friends of Paul?

NH votes are reported by town, not by county. Every time I hear or read someone say Sutton County it makes me cringe. Sutton is a town in Merrimack county in the middle of the state.
Also, because results are reported by town you will see some interesting results. If a town only has 15 voters then it is possible that many candidates will receive zero votes. This is not vote fraud. This is just a small town with only a few families in it.
That being said, small towns also present a good opportunity to expose election irregularities. If you live in a small town and you vote for a candidate, yet no votes are recorded in that town for your candidate then you can easily assume something fishy is going on.

I just did the same thing by dropping the whole thing into my spread sheet. Am sending my results (same as above) to HQ. Let them sort out what they want to do about this. There is already an investigation into voter fraud in Iowa, now we might be seeing proof of one in NH.

http://www.boston.com/new...

According to the tallies, Ron Paul WON!

I dropped it in Excel. The column tallies don't add up. (and it's not a column labeling problem).

There is a hidden column on the far right. To view it, do a search for "145" (this happens to be a number in the hidden column), then you can see the hidden column. Refresh, and the column is gone.

Here's what happened "Actual" means "Actual tally of the candidate's column:"

.... .................. Actual .. Reported .. What happened
Pcts. Reporting ... 289 .. ...... 289 ... ... no change
Total Pcts. ... ... .. 301... ..... 301 .. .... no change
Giuliani ............ 20054 .. .. 20054 ....... no change
Huckabee ........ 26035 . ... 26035 ....... no change
Hunter ...... ....... 1195 .. .... 1195 ....... no change
McCain ... ........... 207 .. .. 86802 ...... McCain's 207 discarded; Paul's total given to McCain.

Paul .......... ..... 86802 ..... 17831 ...... Romney's total given to Paul
Romney ...... .... 17831 .... 73806 ...... Tancredo's total given to Romney

Tancredo ...... .. 73806 ... ...... 66 ...... Thompson's given to Tancredo
Thompson ............ 66 ... ... 2808 ...... Other given to Thompson
Other ................ 2808 ... .... 725 ...... Write-ins given to Other
Write-ins ............. 725 .. ... 4058 ...... 4058 of hidden right column given to Write-ins

Question:

What did they do with McCain's vote tally of 207 when they replaced it with Paul's 86,802? If the 207 is not McCain's, then whose is it? Everyone else's votes can be accounted for ...

I smell VOTE FRAUD.

... and why only McCain's tally?
... and why was his campaign "stunned"?

Here's how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

We got ZERO votes in Sutton out of 386 cast!!!???

And we store those on flesh cards and courrier them to a central location and march to court. Fill the courtroom to the brim and watch for hand signals. I believe judges can be placed under citizen arrest if a jury of their peers agrees? There are good guy out there.

"I have found an honest man."

Diogenes of Sinope