What country will you emigrate ?

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Long lost son of Osama Bin Ladin appeared on Al-Jazeera in a video taped confession after this morning's treacherous act of barbarism against the US. UBL Jr. described planting a dirty bomb in backseat of a 77 Ford Pinto.

The Pinto, an icon of American Auto Business at it's peak, was left at a White Castle in downtown Detroit - one of most severely depressed cities in the US. At 9:11 am, the dirty bomb was detonated radiating everything within a 2 mile radius. Several homeless men have been seen leaving the site glowing.

President Bush, now referred to by edict as Supreme Majesty "W", declared martial law in reaction to the Detroit Dirty Bomb; thus postponing the 2008 elections indefinitely. Mike Gravel was not available for comment.

The FBI along with local enforcement began rounding up terror suspects, parking ticket evaders, and Ron Paul supporters in all major US cities today. Suspects were sent to several undisclosed deep underground military bases located throughout the western states.

In other news, Britney Spears was seen driving without her seat belt and eating a Egg McMuffin...

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I noticed a post at RPF that said something along the lines of 'Real men stay and fight'. Here's my take on it:

Real men protect their family at all costs. We'll continue to fight while we're here, however, we are headed for Ecuador in Dec 08 (friends in region). We'll travel for a year or so and see if the US is worth returning to. If we don't return, we'll continue the fight abroad.

I can only imagine what legislation is sitting idly by waiting for the next 9/11 event here to introduce.

We are not giving up.. we'll work hard over the next year to help awake as many people as possible. We're thankful we have the financial means (trying to diversify as quickly as possible) to make this jump.

We have some land there and recently got a loan to build a house;going to start building while our fiat $ still has some value!.

I have lived here for 14 years. Do not move here.

Email me via my website if you really have your heart set on moving to this socialist country.

Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com

There may come a time in the future where you decide to leave. I would suggest Australia or New Zeeland ( I hope I did not mis-spell)

There are other better countries now...... but in the event of a larger war...... those countries are not likely to be targeted by nuclear weapons and are english speaking countries. Eventually yes, no place may be safe, but seriously -- there will come a time when you will not be able to leave the USA and that is the truth. I used to be a nationalistic patriotic person. Once I learned the truth about ALOT of things, I have a different outlook
now. I owe loyalty to the good people of this world, not to a country
or its leaders. I was born a citizen of the USA, but as far as I can tell
this country is headed for civil war, sooner rather than later.

The NWO will NEVER give up their evil dream - they are insane, but.....
they are not completely stupid in how they go about it. Obviously,
I hope there can be a different outcome - however once I learned the
truth I made a decision not to be naive or negatively emotional about it
and I suggest you do the same. I hope RP does well during the rest
of this campaign. He is truly a courageous person.

Hey all you pipe dreams that are only "dreaming" about leaving. Did our forefathers pack up and RUN? NO! They stayed and stood and fought! STOP DREAMING FOOLS! The fight is HERE and NOW! You can not run from the New World Order. They will evenbtually say that terrorist cells exist "WHEREVER" and they will spread fear there! Be it New Zealand, Austrailia, Estonia, Costa Rica - it doesdn't matter! YOU BETTER WAKE UP because you are NOT going anywhere!

We love peace up here!

Not saying that anyone needs to move here...but I did 23 years ago and it has been the best years of my life.

No military means true peace.

which is New Hampshire.

You see, I'm pledged to "Live Free OR Die" through FREE STATE PROJECT (FSP) to migrate to New Hampshire and make it more free. I've already played a role in kicking the BATF out of the state. The state has resisted REAL ID and RFID better than others.

When morning comes, and the vote is fair, Ron Paul will be doing about what we expected. Double digits.

No other libertarian candidate has gotten this prominence at the national level for quite some time, say the better part of a century.

Locally, the picture's a lot better.

Free State Project is about the individual, and the individual's role in making local change. If you follow the triumphs and tribulations of the Libertarian Party, there are a great many local victories, but NONE on the national level. The SOLE EXCEPTION is Ron Paul's role as Congressman, which he alone has been able to pull off as a libertarian-Republican. But locally, show up at a town meeting and you're going to make a difference.

If we can help a national candidate get his ideas out in the national debate, the libertarian cause has moved forward like it never has in over 50 years.

Canada first, since it's cheaper to move there. I will only move if Ghouli wins, that was my initial thought, but now I think maybe if any other Republican wins the Presidency. However, if Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination, then I think Obama will win anyways. While I think he will be a disaster, I am sort of contempt with the fact that he is not stupid like Bush, take us out of Iraq war so we don't give our money to Halliburton or whatever the rapists' new company name is, and less corrupt. Then I think maybe, just MAYBE, Americans have some sense. If someone like Ghouli wins, then I won't stay because there is no reason to stay in a country full of idiots.

with our fund raising power.... buying an island wouldn't be out of the question

and going to the moon. Either that or Fiji.

I am staying RIGHT HERE. I might go join with the Lakota Sioux Indians for their free independance from the US government. When it comes down to it Gorbachev said he would recognize them as an independant nation. No taxes and very little laws. Everyone is welcome to join them. I wont turn tail and run, I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

Those who think you will fight locally think again. As we speak they are slowly getting ready for any potential uprisings in the future. What we used to see in the futuristic movies in the 80s will come to fruition eventually.

I'll stay here and get my year's supply in order, generators, fuel, precious metals in storage and plenty of guns and ammo to go around. Everybody on this forum knows it--if we pick ourselves up from here, trudge on and months from now a "brokered convention" yields nothing, this country is in for ROUGH times--Obama, Edwards, Julie-Annie, Romney, or the traitor McCain--they're all cut from the same cloth and American will be the one that takes it up the rear.

Better stock up on your canned goods, and ammo kiddies.......

eventually.

Canada will go right with the North American Union so can't go there. Gradually all countries in the EU will be facist with influence of US multinational companies. You probably read about rupert murdock buying up German tv today.

Africa will obviously be horrible since they are where we get our minerals from and us companies need the cheap labor.
China will take over in the Asian Union and multinational global corps already love the chinese fascist state.

So that really leaves Austalia and New Zealand. I like these places because there is no strategic launch point to this continent. They have no huge oil reserves.

This is world wide. I'll fight and die here.

when n.a.u. starts to take place we secede from union have the Dr. as president. I vote for Florida great wheather, natural resources, agriculture, livestock

I guess Argentina or somewhere in Europe...

We already have a complete exit strategy to Ecuador.

HERE IS WHERE I TAKE MY STAND!

This is a rather depressing topic, but one of interest to me so I'll respond.

According to the State of World Liberty Index, Estonia is the most free. You have to take these things with a grain of salt, because there will undoubtedly be issues that are important to you which may not be considered important outside America (e.g., gun rights), so they may not even be considered in the rankings. Also, different people may value different aspects of freedom more than others, so you may be willing to tolerate a relatively high tax rate in exchange for near-absolute social freedom, or vice-versa. The Index is really just a combination of several third-party indexes (links broken to bypass spam control):

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This peaked my interest in Estonia, and I soon found that their fastest growing and most successful political party is essentially libertarian, which is really awesome to see. Unfortunately, they are an EU member state, but I think they have one of the highest percentages of mistrust of the EU, which would be encouraging. Don't quote me on that, I lost my link of the satisfaction rates of the populations of EU member states, but I do know that the Irish are very leery of it.

And that's another good one. Ireland (the Republic, not to include Northern Ireland) has a strong tradition of independence (click that link for an inspiring read). Although, again, there as aspects that many people would consider intolerable there as well, such as compulsory military service (again, don't quote me here, I'm working from fuzzy memory). Then again, they have an officially neutral foreign policy, which is awesome, and they speak English!

The fact that Canada came in third, with its draconian gun control laws and socialized health care, should give you ample warning to not place too much stock in all this, but I hope I've given you an interesting starting point for your research. Every place will have pros and cons. America is still a great country, in spite of our troubling times. And we can turn it around for the better if we stay motivated in the long term.

When I finish getting my degree I'm going to ease into local politics and work for change that way. If along the way to finishing my degree things progress beyond the point of no return, aka UN troops in my country my exit strategy involves me and my family living on a large comfy sailboat and travelling the world while I skip from country to country working mineral exploration.
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Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne tried living in both Switzerland and Canada (Vancouver). I don't think he ever changed his U.S. citizenship though. He said good things about both places but implied that where liberties are concerned it was a wash, and he returned to the U.S. He said that the U.S. has liberties not to be had in those two places, and those two places have some liberties not to be found in the U.S.

In Switzerland, you don't have to worry about the government having an agressive foreign policy, or meddling in your financial life...gotta love that!

Vancouver has a large number of atheists/agnostic/freethinkers...you know...rational people. Gotta love that!

Both places have scenic beauty. Gotta love that!

If the U.S. government would let libertarian-minded folks move to northern New Hampshire, buy the land, and secede, I'd strongly consider that proposal. The new country would have to have a constitution almost identical to the U.S. Constitution, but improved by a few things. There would have to be short term limits for all politicians. There would have to be complete separation of economics and state. Taxes could only be levied, if needed at all, by the Federal government to support a military and court system, nothing more. There could never be a military draft under any circumstances. Socialism and communism would be well defined and deemed an evil upon mankind by making any legislation moving in that direction illegal. There would have to be complete separation of church and state, and school and state. And in all matters related to relationships with other nations, the state would have to remain totally neutral, while the people would be free to interact with other nations in any manner they please, so long as it is not to be traitor to the mother country.

Let's have that!...and let's name the country Oasis-Aynrandia!

Italy great weather good/cheap wine...no NAU for me!

RP08 to restore the Constitution

Come on you wimps, the "top tier" guys are being shuffled about once again... which shows that not one of them has any support in depth -- Sure, Ron Paul might not "win" New Hampshire, nor even make 10%, but so what? You expected an easy win over the corporations and lobby-feeding fat-cats? Hang in there. McCain will fade, just as Huckabee just did, as soon as they leave their home turf. Ron has no "home turf" -- only the whole of America. His support is steady, very steady... and, just as in any war, the victory doesn't go to the first winner of a battle -- but the one who is still standing after the smoke clears. Paul will be that one. Let the old pols and their pals hack apart one another, and further weaken one another -- Paul was not hurt, but Thomson and Huckabee were. A small but disciplined force will always win over a large and disorganized one. The Top Tier are disorganized. Next primary, McCain and Romney will take on one another once again, and another "leader" will be proclaimed -- but ultimately Ron Paul will win the war. It really doesn't matter if a few percentage points are gained or lost, what does matter is that the campaign continues. We have the future and the truth on our side. We will never give up, and we will win. Ah, and by the way, have some fun!

Come on you wimps, the "top tier" guys are being shuffled about once again... which shows that not one of them has any support in depth -- Sure, Ron Paul might not "win" New Hampshire, nor even make 10%, but so what? You expected an easy win over the corporations and lobby-feeding fat-cats? Hang in there. McCain will fade, just as Huckabee just did, as soon as they leave their home turf. Ron has no "home turf" -- only the whole of America. His support is steady, very steady... and, just as in any war, the victory doesn't go to the first winner of a battle -- but the one who is still standing after the smoke clears. Paul will be that one. Let the old pols and their pals hack apart one another, and further weaken one another -- Paul was not hurt, but Thomson and Huckabee were. A small but disciplined force will always win over a large and disorganized one. The Top Tier are disorganized. Next primary, McCain and Romney will take on one another once again, and another "leader" will be proclaimed -- but ultimately Ron Paul will win the war. It really doesn't matter if a few percentage points are gained or lost, what does matter is that the campaign continues. We have the future and the truth on our side. We will never give up, and we will win. Ah, and by the way, have some fun!