still think there's no vote fraud?

to believe that fraud is a strange thing, or even an unlikely thing. There have been strange things in elections in 2000, 2004, 2008 and well before all of that. All the logical evidence suggests that there likely IS fraud, massive fraud. We know alot of truth about the evil those who TRULY oppose Ron are up to.

It is LOGICAL that they are committing fraud, have committed fraud in the past, and will continue to committ fraud as long as they can get away with it. As long as they can use their fake dollars to buy people into doing what they want - they WILL get away with it.

Lets at least, after exhaustive study, research, logical thought, let go of the notion that elections are real or fair. That is the best thing that can come from tonight. Regardless of what happens from here on out, its most important that the truth get out - especially about the evil that is being done in the country in which we live. I use the word evil, because that is exactly what it is - no loving, normal, good human being would stoop to such behavior as fraud, and the protection of fraud - so the word EVIL is well deserved.

Check this out

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

People we all knew what we were up against, we knew that massive vote fraud was in the works. The important thing right now is that EVERYONE KNOWS IT, everyone who is paying attention and there are millions absolutely know these primary results are total b.s. the cat is out of the bag and it is going to get very hot soon. Ron wasn't the only one screwed tonight and it is going to get more and more difficult to pull this off starting right here in Michigan next week, this is just the beginning people. Also this website is being flooded with vicious plants who are trying to sabotage the campaign we need to stick together as Ron is being crucified in the media, again this is just the beginning folks.

No surprise there.

I found this at...

http://www.whatreallyhapp...

It refers to...
http://www.truthnews.us/?...

There will be more of this. Who will demand a hand count?

My wife made a comment the other night that 'the shit happening in this country is so preposterous that we can hardly rule out anything including a 9/11 conspiracy'. (although Popular Mechanics ran a piece about this very thing and debunked the majority of the truthers claims. I tend to trust PM, but they did not address a key issue that is "who did it?" and "why did it happen?" they merely explained the "physics" of it.)

As far as the vote fraud goes, I tend to think that whoever is committing the fraud would commit the fraud to change who the front runner might be. Not third or fourth place. Having typed that, I do think that the frauds would like to stifle the message of Dr. Paul...so that brings me back to my headline...I don't know what to think anymore...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

I just did a quick test...

I picked 20 counties at random where Paul got over 9% . Some larger total vote count and some smaller.

Out of those 20, 4 were Diabold and 16 were hand count?

Now I know that is not all that convincing but I think someone needs to put some real numbers and averages together to look at this a little closer.

Does anyone have a link to a list of all the counties WITH each candidate percentage. I was using the map with is a pain.

Greenville NH...little precinct in the very south middle.

McCain: 60%
Huckabee: 22%
Guliani: 11%
Hunter: 3%
Paul: 0%
Romney: 0%

Ok, so Dr. Paul gets zero...unlikely but possible, small precinct...but Romney gets ZERO? Come on....

if there was fraud - I think it had something to do with RP votes to McCain - and the talk about McCain being strong in NH , and McCain rising in the polls in NH, and McCain "doing well" (lol) in the debates was all part of this setup.

here are some comments I copied from other posters here on dailypaul:

Just for comparison...
New AOL poll for NH:

Romney 26%
Ron Paul 26%
McCain 24%
Huckabubble 11%
JulieAnnie 9%
Thompson 3%
Hunter 1%

Looks pretty accurate except they took RP's votes and put them with McCain on the election tally.
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" Exit polls found 64 percent of Tuesday's Republican voters still support the conflict (Iraq) -- and Romney, whose criticism of President Bush's management of the war has been muted, outpolled McCain in that category.

But among the 34 percent who said they disapproved of the war, McCain had a wide advantage over the GOP field -- even over Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the sole advocate of a U.S. withdrawal in the Republican field. "
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According to CNN exit polls (obviously somewhat flawed), Ron Paul got
19% of 18-24 year olds!
This is more than any candidate but John McCain.

(Now how did McCain do well in that demographic!?!?)

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The Media pumps up the (Dead) McCain campaign about a month before the NH vote- before that McCain was totally dead.

This helps two people - McCain ( historically gets independents) and Hillary - votes are taken from Obama and Paul.

Obama wins Iowa by no accident, it creates hysteria in NH which sends record numbers of people to the polls to vote against a black man. But Obama supporters think they have a chance to beat Hillary and most Anti-War supporters (even though Obama is not anti-war) move from Paul to Obama. This is the rope the dope - sucker the candidate and his supporters to think he actually has a chance (Wins Iowa) - Obama, McCain and Paul split the independent vote, Obama sucks off anti-war votes from Paul.

Superb move by Hillary and the establishment of both parties to set this up. Next McCain will lose in South Carolina and Michigan - he is useless now. Giuliani will climb to a unbelievable third in South Carolina and Michigan and ultimately will win Florida - looking like he has momentum and all this going into super tuesday.

Hillary is the comeback kid, and Giuliani is the momentum builder
with a 6th, 4th, 3rd 1st and then Super Tuesday

Ultimate goal - Hillary vs Giuliani (like we saw coming since 2005!)
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I, too, have observed the NH results on politico.com and find it curious how the vote gaps between the candidates remain the same across the board...as if each candidate were issued a pre-determined percentage range. Perhaps, it would be good for all voters for Dr. Paul from suspicious precincts to contact dailypaul.com (or someplace honest) in order to do an "unofficial" vote tally to compare with what is being reported tonite. I'm sure that persons who voted for Dr. Paul would have no problem with responding to such a request, especially, in light of past voter fraud implications pertinent to the usage of electronic voting devices. At www.devvy.com, much information is available about hand counted paper ballots vs. electronic tabulations for achieving honest election results. Evidently, some electronic voting machines are not tamper proof.

Is it not the law in NH that all tallies must be hand counted if the citizenry were to demand that such an action take place?

RSK I've been following the vote fraud issue since the mid 90's after reading Vote Scam by the Collier brothers. Devvy Kidd has written many articles on this subject. The website WWW.BLACKBOXVOTING.ORG unveils current election fraud nationwide. This insidious and despicable criminal activity has been and continues to be an impenetrable obstacle to our continued freedom. Our Republic cannot survive this intermittent assault on we the people. Our "elected" representatives are now, more likely than not, "appointed" by a handful of very, very wealthy and powerful individuals and families ( some of whom are citizens of Europe ). These Vampires, for the last 100+ years, have sucked the life force out of our wonderful country. We can no longer be sure, be 100% positive, that our votes are truly being counted. We recognize the problem and those behind it. The question is, what are we going to do about it? May God be with us as one nation, one people. As Josef Stalin once said, "those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything". The opposite of freedom is slavery; If I am 99% free, than I am part slave, which is like being " a little bit pregnant". Freedom vs Slavery is a zero-sum game.

ron paul 2008

Obama's vote was 12 points less than the last poll average. Is he the victim of massive vote fraud?

Don't blame fraud for Dr. Paul's loss. It's a useless scapegoat and will do nothing to reach new voters in SC, NV, and MI.

If you want Paul to do better, the campaign strategy and the candidate's image need drastic overhaul. If you think this is negative thinking then you need to learn how campaigning works.

That swiftboat style hit piece to day hurt also,In Exit polls show alot of people decided today who they were voting for....

We must fight on we have the Truth!

There is most certainly vote fraud or why the hell would they want to get rid of vote watchers. I am getting sick and tired of this bs. There is no way Billary should have won or that Ron Paul is in fifth place. This is a disgrace that people can get away with this blatant corruption, what makes our elections any different than in Kenya? Not much. There is no way that Ron's results should match the damn polls it just doesn't make sense considering all of the independents, and first time voters that surely voted for Ron. If the time comes that it is guaranteed that Ron Paul cannot win the presidency, GOD FORBID, then I think we should look back at what the founders said that would have to be done in times like this.

The live free or die state huh...appearently they just chose death. Vote fraud the whole way. Both with Paul and Obama. If not outright vote fraud then New Hamphere is off my cool list forever. Maverick state huh? Vote for change. These people in this so called indepentent state are a bunch of lifeless mouth breathers! Where is the youth vote? Where is the outrage that Dr. Paul was left out of the debate? What happened to the unpolled masses that only have a cell phone? These results need to be looked into!! Live free or die my butt!!

I would like to thank all the 9/11 Truth Deniers and the there's no conspiracy supporters out there. Your tiny bubble of status quo will be perserved!

Is it possible that New Hampshire has simply become the Live Free or Don't State?

ok, there's paper in SOME counties and Diebold in the other.

This experiment has a control, right?

Get the Frikken numbers, then do the frikken arithmetic!!

GO!

There are Ron Paul people everywhere, talk to your neighbor, your cousins, someone has to know someone who knows something! If cheating is going on, this is the time to find it!

Mike
Who is Ron Paul? I am Ron Paul! We are Ron Paul!
"Fire Team for Freedom" on RonPaulRadio.com
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or visit www.mikeandjake.com

And I did not think you got shouted out of here.... It was a good thread, it keeps our collective eyes WIDE open, I liked your thread.

But... (there is always a butt...lol) but it is better to come off (in my not so humble opinion).....as a skeptic...not a believer with truth....but a doubter..... let the your words be like a conscious that always brings one back and says, ....mmm,.... we must look at this...something is not right....does this add up...and how can this be? What gives... there is lots of smoke, lets look for the fire....

We need a billionaire to start a tv network. Or we need somebody who is brilliant at writing business plans and raising money. Anybody out there? We can guarantee viewers!

like we lost fair and square again in the face of such obvious vote fraud? First we let them steal the Iowa straw poll and that Jesse guy made statements to the effect that there was no vote rigging. Then we let them steal the Iowa caucus and acted like we should be happy with 10% and 5th place when I think we had to have done much much better, and now THIS? Come on, give me a break. The vote counters rigged it so we could claim that it is essentially a 3-way tie for 3rd but they still get to say we are 5th, but how can anybody buy this load of bull? I sure as hell don't.

We need to place ads in NH papers saying if you voted for Ron Paul, please complete this voter affidavit attesting to that fact and send it to ________ and see if we can't come up with more than 15,000 votes

if me throat weren't so dry. Based on personal experience. Vote fraud is real.
Jim Condit is at the epi-center: Hamilton County Ohio.

I love Dr. Paul. I love what he's done. I am eternally grateful. I pray for him every night before I go to sleep. He has a hard row to hoe and he knows it. But he perseveres. That takes an enormous amount of courage and resilience. And to think he wakes up everyday and thinks, "I haven't done enough for liberty." We have come further than anyone could have imagined a year ago. The campaign has exposed the media's lies to the American people. But we're dealing with a situation here that's a combination of several things and I don't know how to solve it . . . with ballots:
1. Idiocracy. Amazing that the people believe the s--t they're shoveling. And I guess only 10% at best understand Dr. Paul's message. Hey, I guess that means we're the intellectual elite!
2. Fraud. Fraud at every level. More fraud than you can imagine. Pre voting surveys. Vote tallies. Post voting surveys. Yada, yada, yada. Lies. Lies. And More Lies. They serve the Father of all Lies.
3. Media controlled by the Military Industrial Complex and Bankstas, and maybe they're the same thing.

So, my advice: believe if you still can. Work as hard as you possible for the campaign, if you can. But don't neglect to prepare yourself and your family for the inevitable breakdown that's coming. Because the country cannot continue as an empire forever. And when it crashes, it's going to get real ugly, real fast.

mccain/100 year war?????

until we run third party and do infomercials, i will not contribute anymore

the system is rigged,it is a wate of time and energy.

PURE BS

WE NEED OUR OWN LIBERTYNEWSNETWORK run right next to FAUX news to EDUCATE!!

Brittany spears and Faux/CNN////can suck my #$@^

Vote fraud will be determined, I am sure. It must be fought head on immediately or all attempts to elect Ron are worthless. He must buy national tv exposure and set the record straight immediately. Dennis Kucinich, people that testified in Congress about it, Jim Condit, other recent witnesses to it, must all be on the program. If this does not happen, everything we are doing is for absolutely nothing! Nothing! This is a disgrace. That would be the best use of funds right now. You can't win a baseball game if ever home run you hit is called an out.

We all need to call HQ's and request this be done. I have personally worked thousands of hours and spent substantial dollas that I didn't have, to make sure Ron gets elected. All the money and effort in the world will not get him elected if there is voter fraud.

Time for the bull crap to stop.

My friend is a political science expert and he says that generally absentee ballots are only counted in the event of a tie. So I don't think voting with absentee ballots is the solution.

How is it possible that the numbers instead of going up were going down after hours?

IS THE CAMPAIGN DOING TO COUNT EVERY SINGLE VOTE MANUALLY. THEY NEED TO COMPLAIN AND VERIFY.

From a friend of mine in Nashua NH on Justin TV. Said that they didn't have credentials for vote watching. She also was at Fox Forum Sunday night and said Fox news hired local police to keep Ron Paul Supporters from attending the Forum.

Hillary had the police go into the precinct and force Obama and Ron Paul vote watchers to leave. Any doubt?

"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." Josef Stalin