I think voting machines are a bad thing especially without a paper audit trail, but i think the lack of MSM name mentions is starving the campaign. Then of course there are the attacks and negative associations, so a larger turnout would favor a "known" quantity versus Ron Paul.
His message and character are amazing, but his campaign is still not able to get the media attention that it needs. CNN even tonight refused to put his name on the board. He is frozen out of the media coverage, like others from the Dems and kills their campaigns. This is not voter fraud this preselected candidates and is not democracy.
The great news is we know about his message and this crazy piece of paper called the Constitution which shows us how to take back the process, and take back our country. We will keep fighting and keep speaking out and standing up for what is right and what will keep us free.
WAY more people showed up than expected.
I thought this would happen. Paul supporters are animated and strong but weak in numbers. The number of people diluted certain outcomes and effected Ron Paul the most.
A good showing is still a slap in the face of the media.
Remember this is not about Ron Paul it is about his message. It will catch on. If and that is still a big IF we do not get the nomination there are other options still open.
We still picking up steam.
1) How many donors from NH? Will give a general estimate.
2) How did Ron Paul do in districts where hand counting is used? Assume no fraud in these districts and compare results with those that have machines.
or that ANY of the alleged "results" are remotely accurate? How can anybody prove anything with no paper trail and secret software? What is so hard about having paper ballots openly counted at preceinct?
how about some proof mccain didnt win? this will just go round and round and round.
for example in iowa. to prove the vote you needed 1790 some precinct captians to watch, count and verify the vote. during and after.
i did it in my precinct. i know hundreds of us did. to my knowledge no voter fraud was found in the precincts that had captains and were checked. we had hundreds but not 1790ish.
then i come to dailypaul after doing my duty.
there were 50 posts about voter fraud in iowa. people causing waves with no proof. they werent in the state but clicking web sites.
if you want proof mccain won, go get it. who should hand deliver it to you. ron paul talks all the time about personal responsibilty. if you want the vote to come out correctly in your eyes for nh then go do something about it.
posting here does nothing to help fix the problem.
RSK Do you have any proof, and I mean 100% substantiated proof, that election fraud did not exist? I'll answer that question for you. A big definitive NO! With citizenry oversight restricted/forbidden, it's near impossible to prove. Our Republic is in Dire Straits. May GOD give us the strength to do what's needed to restore our proud Republic----The United States of America.
Fraud is not always done by the counters or the captains or the machines....
Sometimes there is fraud at higher levels. The people who read and compile the results, many times, have the last say.
In this world, it is too easy to call everyone wanting a recount or a paper trail a kook or a conspirator. So when some of us shout "foul play," our cries are swept under the "sore looser" rug and slapped with the "unpatriotic" sticker.
Thanks for your service and assuring your votes were done correctly. I hope that your results are displayed properly on the news and in the voter logs.
it would be nice, just once, to have the proof. lots of people know for sure (in their gut) something happened. but no one can prove it.
worst yet, they dont put in any effort to prove it. they think a few internet searches and a couple of web pages is some how proof. its not.
fyi - some more info from iowa on verifying the vote. this is from our meetup coordinator:
> I didn't find any discrepancies
> FYI, the sum of the individual 41 precincts (300) did match what they gave for the RP vote total for the county. We did awesome in several precincts but that was negated by some 0s or low #s in other precincts.
>
> fyi 2, I have verified precints 6, 5, 1, 4, 3, Washington York, 14, Lake, 13, 2, 7, and Lincoln/Wright/Center/Waveland (that's what they called Jon Alexander's) from what was emailed to the meetup group.
Large turn out = more MSM voters
I think voting machines are a bad thing especially without a paper audit trail, but i think the lack of MSM name mentions is starving the campaign. Then of course there are the attacks and negative associations, so a larger turnout would favor a "known" quantity versus Ron Paul.
His message and character are amazing, but his campaign is still not able to get the media attention that it needs. CNN even tonight refused to put his name on the board. He is frozen out of the media coverage, like others from the Dems and kills their campaigns. This is not voter fraud this preselected candidates and is not democracy.
The great news is we know about his message and this crazy piece of paper called the Constitution which shows us how to take back the process, and take back our country. We will keep fighting and keep speaking out and standing up for what is right and what will keep us free.
How about somthing maybe a bit more reasoned
WAY more people showed up than expected.
I thought this would happen. Paul supporters are animated and strong but weak in numbers. The number of people diluted certain outcomes and effected Ron Paul the most.
A good showing is still a slap in the face of the media.
Remember this is not about Ron Paul it is about his message. It will catch on. If and that is still a big IF we do not get the nomination there are other options still open.
We still picking up steam.
Simple test
1) How many donors from NH? Will give a general estimate.
2) How did Ron Paul do in districts where hand counting is used? Assume no fraud in these districts and compare results with those that have machines.
It can be done from the county results here.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTI...
Needed --- List of county with machines and without. Any one has a link?
http://www.bbvdocs.org/NH...
http://www.bbvdocs.org/NH...
Machine vs Hand - Stats table
thanks to acmegeek at ronpaulforums
http://ronrox.com/paulsta...
with a current total of 17,652 votes:
hand counted votes ONLY: 4th place 9.31%
machine counted votes ONLY: 5th place 7.71%
you can get this info from
Liberty Broadcast Network
Not a doubt in my mind that there is vote fraud
But we need concrete evidence. The poster that spoke about her relatives in Sutton? is a good start. The town showed NO votes for Paul. NONE
prove it.
dont post this crap. you are not helping.
ron paul 2008
How about some proof that mccain won?
or that ANY of the alleged "results" are remotely accurate? How can anybody prove anything with no paper trail and secret software? What is so hard about having paper ballots openly counted at preceinct?
people continuing to cry fowl without proof is destructive.
how about some proof mccain didnt win? this will just go round and round and round.
for example in iowa. to prove the vote you needed 1790 some precinct captians to watch, count and verify the vote. during and after.
i did it in my precinct. i know hundreds of us did. to my knowledge no voter fraud was found in the precincts that had captains and were checked. we had hundreds but not 1790ish.
then i come to dailypaul after doing my duty.
there were 50 posts about voter fraud in iowa. people causing waves with no proof. they werent in the state but clicking web sites.
if you want proof mccain won, go get it. who should hand deliver it to you. ron paul talks all the time about personal responsibilty. if you want the vote to come out correctly in your eyes for nh then go do something about it.
posting here does nothing to help fix the problem.
ron paul 2008
No Proof Of Voter Fraud?
RSK Do you have any proof, and I mean 100% substantiated proof, that election fraud did not exist? I'll answer that question for you. A big definitive NO! With citizenry oversight restricted/forbidden, it's near impossible to prove. Our Republic is in Dire Straits. May GOD give us the strength to do what's needed to restore our proud Republic----The United States of America.
do you have proof it did?
ron paul 2008
Fraud is not done...
Fraud is not always done by the counters or the captains or the machines....
Sometimes there is fraud at higher levels. The people who read and compile the results, many times, have the last say.
In this world, it is too easy to call everyone wanting a recount or a paper trail a kook or a conspirator. So when some of us shout "foul play," our cries are swept under the "sore looser" rug and slapped with the "unpatriotic" sticker.
Thanks for your service and assuring your votes were done correctly. I hope that your results are displayed properly on the news and in the voter logs.
i hope you noticed i didnt say any of those things.
all i ask for is more effort and less talk.
it would be nice, just once, to have the proof. lots of people know for sure (in their gut) something happened. but no one can prove it.
worst yet, they dont put in any effort to prove it. they think a few internet searches and a couple of web pages is some how proof. its not.
fyi - some more info from iowa on verifying the vote. this is from our meetup coordinator:
> I didn't find any discrepancies
> FYI, the sum of the individual 41 precincts (300) did match what they gave for the RP vote total for the county. We did awesome in several precincts but that was negated by some 0s or low #s in other precincts.
>
> fyi 2, I have verified precints 6, 5, 1, 4, 3, Washington York, 14, Lake, 13, 2, 7, and Lincoln/Wright/Center/Waveland (that's what they called Jon Alexander's) from what was emailed to the meetup group.
ron paul 2008
YOU HAVE GOT TO ADMIT THIS IS PREETY FISHY
SIGN ON LAWNS EVERYWHERE LOTS OF DONATIONS COMING IN FROM THAT STATE AND WE DID BETTER IN CORN POKE IOWA?
iowa didnt do better.
iowa is twice the population (or somewhere around there) and got about 50 percent less votes.
ron paul 2008
Sutton County.
Sutton County.
i heard about that. they could contact the campaign directly.
seeking advice from them.
ron paul 2008
How exactly
Does that make if official though?
We would need more evidence than that.
I hope we can get some reports from People in New Hampshire.