Campaign: its time to get serious about exposing the CFR
Posted January 9th, 2008 by johnpp2
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The only reason why Americans even consider looking at CFR candidates like Obama and McCain is because they either don't know they're in the CFR or they don't know what the CFR is. If Ron Paul has any hope of winning, the CFR has got to become a household dirty word. Ron Paul has a few more interviews coming, maybe up to the South Carolina primary (although I think his coverage will drop dramatically now), so he needs to use it to make some very provocative statements about what the CFR is all about and name some names. Just saying "abolish the Fed because they print money out of thin air" is not enough. Average people don't get that. People need to understand who "they" are, they need to understand that "they" are a well-organized elite, and they need to be aware of how "they" are selling out America for their own financial gain.
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One man (our man) has integerety, and is pro American.All the other canidates are untrustworthy globalists,this is the essence of the RP revolution, it should be the focus of the campain as well
I am entirely aware of the CFR, who they
are, their agenda and their accomplishments. I've tried educating other people in campaigns dating back to 1980. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now; it is very destructive if one seeks to attract independent voters and to get the most important thing they possess....their vote.
This post declares: "Just saying `abolish the Fed because they print money out of thin air` is not enough. Average people don't get that." I entirely disagree with this conclusion. What is "enough" is to explain to people and to get them to understand "why" fiat currency is such a destructive thing, using examples that are evident in their daily lives. This concept is very simple and can be sold to independents. Whether or not the notion of fiat-money is an outgrowth of the CFR or Mickey Mouse, while certainly an interesting subject, is hardly relevant as to its destructive nature to RP`s campaign. Selling such a conspiracy theory, while I agree with its basis 100%, never never works en masse. Pushing such a theory and, worst of all, attempting to associate it with RP's campaign, will drive away the vast majority of independent voters with a whip. Get their vote first. Then educate them about the CFR, the IMF, Bretton Woods, 9/11, etc. The association of this group conspiracy, with RPs campaign, is simply more fertile ground in which the MSM can plant even more "Ron Paul Nuts" seeds. I am a firm believer in theories surrounding the CFR and nobody will change my mind. However, I know that pushing the CFR line into somebody's face, in order to get them to vote for my candidate, will produce precisely the opposite result. In effect, pushing the theory for RP will actually hurt him and you will wind up actually helping those CFR-backed candidates by pushing independents away from us and in the direction of some other candidate. I implore you to consider the practical voting-booth effect of what you are suggesting.
I agree with ironman77 below.
This entire CFR conspriacy thing is the kind of stuff that turns off voters. But, as he said, the ideas are fair game. If RP could concentrate on the bread and butter issues,and sell HIS ideas, then he'd be getting plenty of votes.
CFR
You guys act as if the CFR is evil.
I hope you guys don't crucify me for this, but I actually like _Foreign Affairs_ magazine, and see it as a better place for international news and analysis than CNN.
Now, Ron Paul really changed a lot of my views on interventionism (his views on Iraq made a lot of sense to me, and of course his overall foriegn policy is simple, sensible, and consistant).
I still read _Foreign Affairs_ though, and I am looking forward seeing a Ron Paul article in their 2008 campaign series (each candidate gets to submit a piece on foriegn policy).
Should be exposed
Has to be done with strategy though. Many media members belong to this group. I think it would be great to do this at a debate. I don't think Dr Paul would do this. It would get a lot of national attention if done right. Hopefully he can get some whistleblower quality facts to bring to light.
I agree wholeheartedly
Ron Paul's job is to deliver the message. The voters may buy it, or they may ignore it. Either way, RP should make the most intelligent arguments he can think of.
Worrying about what the voters think leads to taking stupid positions, like pitchforking the Mexicans to try and get some of that Tancredo/Duncan Hunter immigration bigotry vote, which didn't do much for RP in NH.
Unfortunately, I'm hearing radio ads that talk about terrorist student visas. The ads don't even mention that RP is against the Iraq War. I would like to see aggressive ads here in Michigan that get after bomb Iran McCain and which point out that the Dems want to stay in Iraq until at least 2013.
Stop the War, Quit Killing Civilians, Stop Making Enemies, Stop Bankrupting the Country for the War Profiteers, are clear messages that RP should take directly to the people of both parties. There is no shame in losing with your best arguments.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
NOT worrying about what the voters think...
leads to losing elections. That said, I agree that we could/should/must vastly improve our radio and TV ads--but that's a separate issue.
You're half right--and half wrong
I'm a 9/11 "truther". And I believe everything you say about the CFR.
BUT most Americans don't--or are utterly ignorant. Long term we absolutely MUST educate them. BUT now is NOT the time or place. We have an election to win, and 6 weeks to do it in, and it's utterly impossible to educate people on such fundamental subjects in less than YEARS. Trying to do so at this time will be worse than futile, it'll actually hurt Ron Paul's election chances.
Stick to what means something to them NOW! Home foreclosures--NOT Fed interest rate policy. Factory closures---not CAFTA, NAFTA, NAU. Soaring prices of basic needs---not debt monetization-driven currency inflation. Body bags coming back from Iraq---not Middle Eastern sociopolitical dynamics. Ron Paul is brilliant; he looks to the root causes of problems, not just superficial symptoms---and proposes real solutions, not band-aids. BUT most folks DON'T---and we have to get 51% of the vote of largely ignorant people WHO JUST PLAIN AREN'T GOING TO GO FROM DUMB TO SMART IN 6 WEEKS! (Sorry for the all caps, but I just had to shout.)
Fight smarter, not harder!
Yep.
Exactly.
Yep.
Exactly.
traditional campaigning does not work anymore
The only argument Ron Paul can make that might shake people up is to point out that he's the only candidate who's not in the CFR. If people don't know what it is, maybe they will look into it, because, at the very least, most Americans don't want to think they're choosing from a field of candidates who all go to the same country club. Also, without alerting the public to the major corruption involved with our leaders most Americans will not question election results. It is a fruitless effort to campaign and campaign, spend millions of OUR grassroot dollars and hours only to have the votes stolen from us when we finally get people to go vote for Ron Paul. Maybe Dr. Paul can take a vote from the people who gave him all this money as to whether or not we want him to expose the CFR. 50 bucks to vote.
Yeah, but you don't have a clue
How to educate anyone. Most people that complain about the CFR go right with the conspiracy thing.
We should not attack the CFR, we should Attack their IDEAS.
We can not win a propaganda war with the CFR, or Old media.
let get our own CFR blimp - ha!
...just need some catchy slogan. They would just sh*t!
....Now that's a chip-in that would put the BIGGEST smile on my face!
YES, YES, YES! These are
YES, YES, YES! These are the same people behind the Federal Reserve and the moved to merge the US with Canada and Mexico in a North American Union, like the European Union, with a new currency, controlled by the banking elite.
If there is really a message this campaign can help bring to America's knowledge, it is how this behind-the-scenes group has manipulated public policy in favor of world government for decade, selling America's soul down the river.
YES, YES, YES!
Grafitti!!!
Tag every sign you see with big letters... CFR right across the candidate name!!
No, it's not
Conspiracies about the CFR, Bilderbergs, etc., just make Ron Paul supporters (and Ron Paul, by extension) seem like kooks.
Listen, I'm not saying you're wrong about the CFR itself. But I'm saying that it's irrelevant.
The average American thinks those consipracies are kooky, and they are immediately turned off. It'll push them away from Ron Paul at the drop of a hat.
The idea that
'all conspiracies are kooky' is mind kontrol that helps the conspiracy.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Conspiracies are real--but we're trying to win an election
The CFR is only the tip of the conspiracy iceberg, and people (like I) who believe in them are not kooks. BUT please reread the post you are commenting on.
FACT OF LIFE: MOST people (=VOTERS) THINK that conspiracy theories are KOOKY and get turned off by anyone who tells them otherwise.
We CAN'T re-educate 51% of the American electorate out of a life-time of brainwashing in the next 6 weeks; can't we understand that? We have to start with them where they're at! Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
And attempts to do crash re-education will be counterproductive for electing Ron Paul! Do you want Dr. Paul elected President, or do you want to try to reprogram the American electorate RIGHT NOW? Which? You can't have both. If Dr. Paul is elected president, his authority might just buy us enough time to accomplish the reeducation task. If not... the CFR will have won, and will be laughing all the way to the concentration camp gates as they march us in. Is that what you want? I don't think so.
Elect Ron Paul--THEN try to re-educate.
Gently remind them
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The United States was founded with a conspiracy. It is our history.
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Eventually,
Americans will have to wake up to the fact that they are being manipulated and robbed. I live in Japan, where the word "conspiracy" doesn't carry any of the negative connotations that it does in America, you are not considered a kook for suggesting that business and government are in bed together, in fact everyone knows it. In Latin America everyone assumes the voting is rigged. Why are Americans so sure their votes are counted honestly, when all evidence is to the contrary (2 in Ohio recently convicted of vote fraud)?
We have been conditioned to reject any suggestion of mass coodination between those in power, particularly over the last decade, specifically so that the average person will ignore any talk about what really goes on. You have to marvel at the genius of it all.
Yes, the owners of the Fed control the CFR, and the CFR controls the government. And everyone feeding at the trough has a vested interest in letting the machine keep grinding away unencumbered. That's the way the US is set up now, having gradually become less and less like the republic it was meant to be over the last 100 years. I could point anyone to articles and interviews that would literally blow their mind - Norman Dodd, who was 2nd in charge of the congressional Reece Commission tasked with investigating tax exempt foundations in the 50's, gave a taped interview before he died. In it he relates how his secretary went crazy - literally became mentally unstable, after spending two weeks reading the minutes of meetings between the Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford foundations.
No, most Americans don't want to hear about this stuff, it goes against their belief that, despite the corruption they see, they still live in a free country ... even while filling out their unconstitutional tax returns. But until Americans wake up to what's really going on and how the system is rigged against them, nothing much is going to change.
You are wrong
It's not 'irrelevant' to this campaign.
How many people have you personally educated about the CFR? I mean one on one, with a calm disposition, simply explaining some facts.
citizens of average intelligence do not have a problem understanding the danger.
In Liberty's Cause
The "Average American" Needs to be Educated
The CFR is an elitist club of globalists who believe that national boarders should be a thing of the past. That's not "theory", it's a fact. If every American knew the truth about the goals of the CFR, these elitist bastards would be on their Lear-jets seeking political asylum in Saudi Arabia.
Hillary Clinton - CFR
John McCain - CFR
Obama - CFR
Romney - CFR
Huckbee - Not CFR Yet (but his advisors are and the Hucka-surge didn't happen until he bent down to kiss their ring)
Giuliani - CFR
John Edwards - CFR
shove it in their faces until they wake up
Evidentally, Americans are stupid people who don't look beneath the surface.
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Helllloooo...????
I and every person I have converted to supporting Ron Paul did so BECAUSE he is the only viable candidate who isn't sold out to the CFR. In my opinion it is WORSE than any so called "special interest group"!!
To me, this is the MOST important "issue".
People need to know who is pulling the strings and who they/we are up against! The sheep need a little reality check to wake them up. We should be advertising quotes of the CFR and show the voters exactly what they are up to and then prove the affiliation of the other candidates.
It's only the truth YOU KNOW that sets you FREE....
Shalom, Missi
Join The John Birch Society
Those guys have been fighting against the CFR and the insiders since the 50's. Most of their members are about 80 years old too. They need new blood. They have huge resources to fight these guys, just not the bodies.
www.TuNeCedeMalis.com
CFR is a Problem but ...
The Focus needs to be the message of freedom, liberty and constitutional rights because nothing from the other candidates represent this and can back it up with voting records.
The Consitution and the message of freedom is meant to unite us. I see the issue of CFR as something that should be looked into but by the grassroots and not the official campaign.
Any thoughts?
I agree with you, I don't
I agree with you, I don't think RP or the official campaign should tackle this issue directly and full on(but if asked, they should respond). The CFR is something individuals, 527's/PACS should tackle, but with rock solid thoroughly verified and researched info though, no inaccuracies, no faulty sources.
Myself, I've often tried to warn people about the CFR candidates, but they often will not believe it(some people have believed it though after thoroughly researching it) and think its some weird conspiracy because they never heard anyone else say it and can't believe they never heard about it until now.
The CFR
In my opinion, the CFR is a RICO prosecutable case. The problem is, who is going to prosecute it? How can a private organization have control over our foreign and domestic policy, both major parties, and the major media outlets, and this not constitute racketeering? Does the CFR not create policy, have that policy legislated by its members, executed by its members, advocated by its members, for the benefit of its members?
Don't hold your breath waiting for the Congress to hold hearings on the CFR, or the Justice Department to hold a grand jury to investigate it. Don't look for CNN or Fox News or MSNBC to do an exposee on it.
These people have perfected a system where the American people can "throw the rascals out" whenever one party gets too obnoxious. The problem is, the CFR has horses in both stables. You can see how they react when someone who is not on their team has the audacity to try for the nomination of either major party.
It's up to us to expose this arrangement to the American people.
I agree, but I imagine that
I agree, but I imagine that delving into the CFR is tough to broach with strangers and a great deal more complicated than explaining why inflation is a raw deal.
no i dont think so
All Ron Paul has to say in an interview is something like "yeah but McCain is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations." Then the interviewer, a little taken aback, says, so what's the significance of that? Then Ron Paul says ___________ (insert brilliant Ron Paul statement here). There are many things he could say to get people really stirred up, and the media would be forced to deal with it. For example, Ron Paul could act like he was surprised the reporter wasn't more familiar with the CFR and its founders and say "why everyone knows the CFR was set up to spread Socialism through the central banking mechanism. Why do you think we make so many loans to third world countries?" Now, the MSM would come out with some brilliant explanation of why that was patently absurd, but the damage would be done, and millions of people would be digging a little deeper. It's not like RP has a chance to win by the normal election process anyway. What does he have to lose? Educate the sheeple!
Except....
Except that most big media people are also CFR members. Any attempt to mention the CFR by Ron Paul will get him banned from all old media. I am certain of it.
He has already mentioned the CFR...
Did you miss the CNN/YouTube Debate?
I agree!
I agree!