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What did the Richmond and Wentworth NH precincts do to WIN?

Ron Paul won handily in Richmond precinct:

Ron Paul 89
Romney 52
Huckabee 36
McCain 50
Guiliani 11
Thompson 6
Hunter 2

Dr. Paul got 2nd in Wentworth:

Ron Paul 46
Romney 45
Huckabee 24
McCain 62
Guiliani 9
Thompson 3
Hunter 1

(both precincts were hand counted)

Is there anyone from those areas that can tell us how you guys did it?

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There must be trained observers to watch recount!

Please watch this HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, concerning voting machines and Diebold voting machines. the video is at:

http://cre8ive-design.net/blog/?cat=7

Thanks to everyone doing their part for themselves, this country and
for the future.

Jefferson County, IA, voted for Dr. Paul!

Jefferson County (appropriate name), IA, received more Ron Paul caucus votes than any other candidate. It is the only county in IA that did this. Maybe, the Ron Paul campaign could learn something from the Jefferson County caucusers.

Judge Andrew Napolitano has acclaimed Dr. Paul. See Dr. Paul's Web site at www.ronpaul2008.com.
Read Napolitano, Andrew(2007). A Nation of Sheep (Thomas Nelson). Judge Napolitano is a New York Times best selling author.

Judge Andrew Napolitano has acclaimed Dr. Paul. See Dr. Paul's Web site at www.ronpaul2008.com.
Read Napolitano, Andrew(2007). A Nation of Sheep (Thomas Nelson). Judge Napolitano is a New York Times best selling author.
Also read Independents Day by Lou

There was a phone call at noon from

from satan telling them to make sure he was no higher than fourth place. The message got lost in voice mail and just did what they were supposed to do...oh well.

Unify

Good To Know This

Obviously something (?) went right up there for this location.

All honest things that one would hope and pray should have been done elsewhere in the State.

Shouldn't this itself be an argument as to why a recount (forget everything else for a moment) a valid argument that says --

IF WE DID THIS SUPER GOOD 'HERE' THEN WHY ARE THE RESULTS NOT SHOWING (REPORTING) WITH SIMILAR RESULTS ELSEWHERE?

That should be the argument for a re-look // we all know that fraud is suspect in matters such as this. This contrast needs closer examination and comparison // and the only way to compare is to actually take another look. At the other ballots. Right?

Or are we to just shrug and say well that's how it goes, that's how the ball bounces. Seems to me it suggest that something this strong should rightfully be that (at least similar) strong elsewhere. Wouldn't you think so?

Vote RON PAUL 2008

Vote RON PAUL 2008

These Counties were HAND COUNTED!

YES, that in itself is a very good indication that something smells rotten in the Black Box counties, especially the ones that tooks HOURS to report their totals! In EVERY county where the ballots were hand counted, Ron Paul did very well, but in the Black Box counties, not too good at all! As I understand it, 25% of the NH counties still hand count their votes and that is a very good sampling of what the total outcome should look like.

"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-

Perhaps they actually counted the votes!

Perhaps they actually counted the votes and reported them accurately! What a novel idea!

This r3volution needs to begin right now with a recount of the votes in New Hampshire. If we do not have legitimate elections, all else is already lost, and we live in a Fascist country. One of our main goals is to eliminate the horrendous corruption in this country, and it has to start with fixing the corrupt election process.

How can we ever restore Constitutional government to this country if our elections are rigged? If we don't demand a recount of New Hampshire, where we already know there were very serious discrepancies, even in the hand counted ballot areas, we will be cheated in every other state. If the other states see that there are serious repercussions, maybe even criminal charges, perhaps they won't risk it.

Ron Paul WIN in Richmond, NH

You can thank my uncle and aunt, their very large family, and the population of like-minded and faith-strong traditionalist Catholics who reside in Richmond for Ron Paul's win there. My uncle's family lives on a self-sufficient farm, home-schools, and does not participate in popular culture (no T.V.s, no computers.) They are pro-life, for very minimal government, and admonish the military-industrial complex.

Excellent question! It needs to be analyzed.

At this point in the game, we need to look at the methods and the message. They both need to be tweaked. I'm not saying the good doctor should change his message, but maybe the way it's delivered: illegal war changes to bring troops home to their families; gold standard changes to keep more of your money/price of gas comes down; abolish the IRS stays the same. Patriot Act! Patriot Act! Does Obama promise to get rid of the Patriot Act? Soften the image with babies. We've talked about babies before.

1. If the campaign/grassroots effort in those precincts was substantially different than the others, can it be repeated in other precincts/states? And is it scalable to work on a larger level?
2. If the effort was not substantially different that other precincts, is the population that much different (demographics, psychographics)?
Can voters in those precincts be polled to see if they voted for Ron Paul, and if so, why and what message convinced them?
Conversely, can voters in the precincts with the lowest numbers be polled to find out why they didn't vote for Ron Paul.
3. If the effort and population is not substantially different and the only variable is hand counting vs machine counting, well then, we need a recount.

To answer the question though:

They did nothing more than any other precinct. They're votes were accurately HAND counted. The rest were electronically counted.

Until I trust the government again (That ain't gonna happen) I want hand counts all across the country. Paid for by the tax payers. If that means $67k per state then so be it. It would be the best $3,350,000 dollars this country ever spent! This is our country darn it.

Ron Paul 2008 - Washington County Iowa Chair

Ron Paul 2008 - Washingtion County Iowa Chair

High IQ's?

Hold on there fella. Fraud makes fools out of honest intelligent people.

I'm from Iowa. I voted for Paul. Keep in mind 10% of the votes in Iowa reported to go to Paul did. I'm sure with only 95% of the precincts reporting, there will be more and if a true hand counted system in the open was used and the majority of the U.S. gets away from this Electronic BS we'd see how RP did much better than is being reported. How come in hand counted precincts he's shown one way and in electronic he's reported another. Also, how come that such similar results were reported state wide for Hitlery instead of Barrack as polls showed.

The same people that said polls should be used to exclude candidates from debates are now being called "unreliable" or "they mean nothing". That is BS.

Ron Paul 2008 - Washington County Iowa Chair

Ron Paul 2008 - Washingtion County Iowa Chair

They must have hi IQ's

As for the rest of the state. You can't make dumb people smart. How else does NH vote for a man who wants to be in Iraq for 100 years, is against tax cuts and is for amnesty for illegals. Ron Paul should have won in a landslide if Iowa and NH had brains . NH and Iowa should be called the scarecrow states.

The plan was to keep Dr.Paul out of 3rd place

We must recount so that the other 48 know that we mean business. If they know they might get dragged into court they will be less likely to cheat.

Unify

Hand Count / Machine Count....

If you go over the spread difference in each precinct that used hand counting verses machine counts you will see that there is a questionable difference in the vote counts and what particular candidates consistantly receive more votes with the machine voting verses the hand count.
I do agree with the action for the class action filing regarding voter fraud.
Let us remember that any action taken in this country is not easy to do. Dr. Paul has been in politics for many years. He understands politics and the inner workings of the government. We the people must help him in areas that will assist moving him to the next level.
Finding the right people to help in this fight for freedom takes time and can not always be in the lime light for obvious reasons. Our opponents and or enemy are very secretive.
Let us be wise, be strong, be confident and not waiver from our position of freedom. If we lose our freedom we lose everything. Try to think before you react. Lets find individuals in positions that will strengthen our front lines in this war against tyranny.

There was a fair election in

There was a fair election in these areas. The election officials were not paid off and they did not use the machines to do the count.

I think you will find a similar result in other areas if the campaign had the guts to pursue a recount.

good question

Good question. This needs a good answer by someone who was there. Some real DATE PLACE FORM AND EVENT answers. Jeferson County in Iowa also did eceptionally well.

When this is answered repost the aswer. No oppinions, lets get some facts. A Very Wise Question.

They Counted All The Votes

No magic as to why these precints showed strong results for Ron Paul.

They simply counted ALL the votes.

RP DVDs for the semi-literate

http://www.rpdvd.com

Please buy a stack of these $1 DVDs and send them to all the people you know who don't have internet access or don't hang out on line. Watching Ron Paul in action is way more convincing than sign waves.

Check out this link

http://www.legitgov.org/nh_machine_vs_paper.html

"Where Paper Prevailed, Different Results"

Total Democratic Votes: 286,139 - Machine vs Hand (RonRox.com) 09 Jan 2008
Hillary Clinton, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 39.618%
Clinton, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 34.908%
Barack Obama, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 36.309%
Obama, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 38.617%
Machine vs Hand:
Clinton: 4.709% (13,475 votes)
Obama: -2.308% (-6,604 votes)

Total Republican Votes: 236,378 Machine vs Hand (RonRox.com) 09 Jan 2008
Mitt Romney, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 33.075%
Romney, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 25.483%
Ron Paul, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 7.109%
Paul, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 9.221%
Machine vs Hand:
Romney: 7.592% (17,946 votes)
Paul: -2.112% (-4,991 votes)

I know what they did

They gave him his actual vote counts. These are most likely the only honest vote totals for the whole state.

Joe

Wow, if that is true, that

Wow, if that is true, that would be huge if the other counties were fraudulent and those two were the only honest ones.

Obviously, some folks

did a great job of spreading the good word on RP. Also, these are little rural towns where Guiliani is not popular at all. THat really changes the %'s.

h-daddy

AOL is at it again. McCain showing as leader?

I am not quite sure what goes on at the AOL poll.
But McCain is leading right now.
And Ron Paul needs our votes over there. Again.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

Just doing my duty.

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what good does a recount do?

what good does a recount do? did they not use Diebold machines? the paper printout "receipts" are just as easy to manipulate as the inner workings of the machines. One virus/hack can do both. So, what good can it really do? Fact is, people against the war voted for McCain, because they don't want good policies, they want rhetoric and electability. The vote count means nothing. We need to donate MORE to keep Ron Paul in the race. Through the primaries, through the national election. Through to 2012 if we can.

paper printouts good

Why do you say paper printout "receipts" are easy to manipulate? I guess I would agree if the concept isn't followed through.

I receipt needs a control number and the vote on it to verify the vote was counted correctly. And those control numbers and precinct totals need to be publicly posted.

They used optical scanners

They used optical scanners which scan a paper ballot. So there are paper ballots that can be counted by hand.

A Paper Trail -- That's true

Unless they destroyed the paper copy because it was scanned --

Think CIA tapes destroyed -- there was a reason for them doing that also // so they wouldn't get caught, or so PROVING IT (wrongdoing) might be an impossibility.

Let hope they still exist.

Vote RON PAUL 2008

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Me thinks...We needs to get off our butts and get to work.

Help the Granny Warriors handle the recount business.
They are all over that aspect of this campaign, and going after it.
Go here to help.
http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount
Any amount will help the cause for the cause.

It is time for ALL Ron Paul MeetUp groups to get into what I like
to call the HYPER-active mode. Right NOW!
You can do this by pulling two or three MeetUp groups together
and going to a "Weekly" MeetUp format. Right now. Starting today.

We did this back in October with two groups, and increased both
attendance and participation, as well as gaining motivation.
We went from a handfull of members showing up once a month, to
a regular attendance of twenty to thirty people. NICE!

Invite all members, and tell them to bring a friend.
Insist on a RSVP no matter what it may be. YES, NO, or MAYBE.
Tell em all to bring what they have as far as campaign materials, and
plan on working out your game plans on activity.
Provide campaign materials to those that need them most, and pick
someone to be sure that more materials are being ordered and to
handle the money for more items by passing the hat, or you can even
set up a Pay-Pal account and list it at your MeetUp home sites for those members that may not be able to make the regular MeetUps.

The WEEKLY format sounds tough. But it does work.
Try it...You'll like it.

Get the lead out. Time's a leavin us.
Say it loud! Say it proud!
RON PAUL in 2008!!!

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Same as Iowa...

There was a county in Iowa RP won --it was a college town. I suspect the same in this case.

Rich Sage
http://www.bestofronpaulvideo.com/

But in that town in

But in that town in Iowa(actually Jefferson county)they also reportedly ran pro-RP neswpaper ads(not just one, but many different ones) there in the papers for a long time, that could have helped alot too.

Those "Screaming Idiots" made the New York Times

The campaign sent people to hold signs at a Hillary event and we were chanting. The article listed that we were chanting "End The War" and "Ron Paul Revolution Give Us Back The Constitution". Free coverage at its best. Got it out that Dr. Paul is anti war and for the constitution.

If you are looking for tricks

better off to joint other camps... You can't slap some common sense or intelligence into those sheepeople. RP's message...you either get it or you don't.

Ummm.... they voted for Dr. Paul!!

Duh!

this is the real story.

how did you do it. hurry the fuck up and let the HQ know.

everywhere else all i see is RP supporters turning off normal people.

its pissing me off, kuz the supporters are actually COSTING votes instead of adding them by behaving like idiots.

i say this because if you

i say this because if you carry yourself like a professional; people will listen to you. most of them act like all they have never been outside of their parents basement and dont know how to interact with other humans, strangers.

granted some are doing it right, but it only takes a few crazies to fuck everything up

LOL...how true

and the mainstream folks (who you sorta need to win an election) are not going to turn the country over to someone who they think sponsors mobs who chase people and yell obscenities at them. It might be a great release for all that extra testosterone and give a feeling of euphoria, but down go the votes.

I watched the confrontation with Fox pollster Luntz. First, the guy was willing to engage the Paul crowd, and he was outnumbered 30 to 1 or whatever. Now he's a jerk, but who cares, here was a chance to press some hard questions at him and his methodolgies and that was going on. But a few had to start screaming Fuck Frank or Fuck you Frank, thinking they were all so clever. Well, if anybody I know or any of my relatives of any age saw that, they wouldn't even listen to Dr. Paul afterwards.

These people have no clue....they want to play like little Kropotkins and it's basically an undemocratic tendency.

What's a Kropotkin? Find the answer here

Prince Peter Kropotkin was a Russian anarchist who said "the main thing is to destroy the state. Then individuals can rebuild society afterwards".

To read more go to:

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/ANARCHIST_ARCHIVES/worldwidemovem...

I agree that we should not strive to appear like Kropotkins when what we really want is for people to understand that guys like Luntz are corrupt and abusing the airwaves granted to Fox News by the state.

you have absolutely no proof of this

nothing more than wild speculation on your part.

-dave

David in Qatar

And what proof do you have that these results are true?

And what proof do you have that these results are true?

Your implication is that the results should be believed, but you shouldn't take that stance unless you can provide evidence that the results are accurate, because right now all you have is the word of the officials, but that is not proof.

They could tell you aliens landed from Pluto, too. Based on your statement, I guess you would believe that too if that is what they said, but if you want others to believe it you're going to have to provide evidence that that's true.

so you think screaming and

so you think screaming and yelling at people and is going to turn them on to paul?

i live in iowa. ive seen it.

these precincts are where the Ron Paul insiders were

and obviously through fraud were able to manipulate the vote count.

After all, these vote counts were done by those evil computers in these precincts.

Ron Paul 2008

Recount

I hear that Huckabee and Hunter are going to ask for a recount in Jefferson County Iowa. Obviously, since people didn't vote for them there must be something underhanded going on!

Same way the people did it

Same way the people did it in the other counties where Paul won and they fucked us.

http://operationwakethesefuckingidiotsup.blogspot.com/

This is why a recount is a

This is why a recount is a worthwhile investment!

They got their votes counted right...

heh heh

Exactly. :)

Exactly. :)

Contact Doug Bersaw a VERY active RP Supporter in Richmond NH -

Doug can tell you/us. I spoke with Jim Condit, founder of VoteFraud.org and a very good friend of Doug's, yesterday.

"Lord I have no plans of my own save those you shall reveal to me." Dean Fagerstrom - The Mission Of Anglion

"Lord I have no plans of my own save those you shall reveal to me." Dean Fagerstrom - The Mission Of Anglion