I want to hear from Dr Paul about the fraud in New Hampshire
If the Ron Paul HQ do not demand a recount, it is over for me. I am convinced there are infiltrators there.
I will donate a single cent anymore until Ron Paul address this issue. I do not want those HQ bastards to answer this question, I want to hear from Dr Paul himself.
If there is voting fraud, and we do not investigate what is the FUCKING use? we can get 90% of the votes and still get 5th place.
I am sick and tired of this. I am protesting right now. Against the HQ. Who is with me?
Link to blatant fraud below. We OWN NEW HAMPSHIRE, WE WON IN A LANDSLIDE NOT 5th PLACE. DAMN YOU RP SUPPORTERS WHO DO NOT WANT A RECOUNT. DAMN YOU TO HELL.
http://www.prisonplanet.c...






















yawn ... troll alert
the foul language and the sheer destructive nature makes it pretty clear what you are up to.
Agree
I'm with you brother...no more money and support , for what, for another 8% ? Time for RP to prove he's not just a another puppet !
http://www.newswithviews....
" found these comments particularly disturbing in Condit's recounting of events: "3. Right after the hour radio show, -- so many irate Iowans called the Iowa GOP headquarters demanding to know why they were using the discredited Diebold machines, that the Iowa GOP made an appeal to the Ron Paul PAID STAFF IN IOWA TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL ASKING RON PAUL SUPPORTERS TO QUIT CALLING GOP headquarters! The email, sent out by RP paid staff member, Jeff Frazee, to Ron Paul supporters was nasty; it told them to “Stop it”, regarding any more calls to the political thugs at Iowa GOP Headquarters. He also said that the RP paid staff was doing everything they could to insure a fair count, which was a blatant falsehood, as they did nothing but support the Iowa GOP in their unconscionable, secret count of the votes (behind police guard)." (Regarding the Diebold Machines, please see my last column because it contains links to many items on the corrupt Diebold machines.) "
Uncle
GROW UP. It is crap like this 'recount' 'vote fraud' drive that kills any chance of RP gaining wide spread support. The same with the Hannity bs. Elections have always been and always will be imprecise. Transposition errors happen. People write things on the wrong line. And any number of other HONEST errors. Remember in Iowa when Rudy suddenly jumped 3500 votes? Ooops extra 0. It was fixed in about 20 minutes.
There is NO PROOF OF VOTER FRAUD IN NH. FRAUD = INTENT TO DECEIVE. TO STEAL.
Mistakes like this are *not* fraud. They are human error.
And WTF do you expect to gain? Besides a huge amount of negative press? Do you think RP won NH? Even second? Even ahead of Huckabee? ,
I was in northern NH all last weekend. I saw almost as many Huckabee signs as RP signs. I was TOLD by a RP supporter his whole church (baptist) was going to vote for Huckabee eventhough he had been trying to convince them Huck is a joker. Well I checked that town and Huckabee got 19% and RP got 11%. We were told the lists we were given were certain RP voters - determined by many methods - and our whole task was just to make sure they get to the polls. Right. At least 1 in 5 were NOT supporting RP and about the same number were UNDECIDED. The average of polls prior had RP at about 9% and thats what he got. Rasmussen was an outlier and the margin of error in these polls are up to +/- 6%.
Maybe if the people promoting vote fraud and other conspiracy theories would spend more time canvassing for local voters and not acting in a manner to turn them off then RP might actually be polling higher than 5% in MI, SC, FL and NV. Please stop wasting time and emotional energy on something that will only HURT and not HELP Ron Paul.
Actually
there is proof. But good job on doing your homework
"Maybe if the people
"Maybe if the people promoting vote fraud and other conspiracy theories would spend more time canvassing for local voters "
Nice try with the fallacy of logic. I canvass about 3 times a week (sometimes 4, depending on work schedule). Voter fraud = conspiracy theory? Nice try. Look, I want to make sure my vote counts.. plain and simple.
Verifying results is a conspiracy theory? Nice spin.
Good
point TheRaguu!
Hold on EVERYONE!!!!
I am just as angry as all of you, however, jumping ship is not answer. Ron Paul or his campaign needs more proof of vote manipulation. 31 votes in Sutton and 25 in Greenville may just be oversights. We need more....come on NH people, where are you all!!!
We own New Hampshire?
Infiltators? Yes, you sound a lot like one. Here is why.
You are creating division, if you want Ron Paul for President and therefore run the US, don't you think he can oversee who runs his campaign.
You swear a lot and make demands "I want to hear from Dr Paul himself", really now.
We won in a landslide?
There is not one sentence in your post that is positive. You come across as a spoilt child.
You don't sound like a true supporter to me and even "if" your heart is in the right place your mouth surely is not.
Explain to me
I have been out of work for 8 months, living out of the bank now. Have been on the streets, that I have never done before (48yrs). Dontated, buying slimjims of my own, going to rallies and spending money I don't have. Why accept the count, when we know there is fraud????? Some one please give me one good reason for not wanting a recount.
Has it occurred to you
Has it occurred to you that the campaign may have a BROAD plan for dealing with this issue that does not involve jumping on the first bait that is thrown in front of you?
Has it occurred to you that the kind of peope who perpetrate vote fraud on a national level might want to draw us out early into making a claim of vote fraud that they can disprove to discredit us when the REAL vote fraud happens later?
Has it occurred to you that maybe you don't have a big enough strategic picture and that maybe your tanturm is EXACTLY what the enemy is expecting and hoping it will get from you?
You need to CHILL!!!
Spread the message of freedom, work the streets, raise money, and LISTEN to the campaign.
Has it occurred to you that
Has it occurred to you that you have to FIGHT or FREEDOM!!!! Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah ain't gonna get you Freedom!!! We have the Resources!!! We have the People!!!! We have the Will, not to Fight is Unacceptable!!! PERIOD!!!
A wise general picks his battles
And a very wise general picks his battles way in advance. The campaign has said it has done that. I trust them.
A foolish general charges into battle without thinking because he is pissed off. And then he gets slaughtered, and gets his men slaughtered, by an opponent who didn't lose his head.
If we left it all up to the
If we left it all up to the General (official campaign), we would have been slaughtered from the beginning. It's the contribution of each grassroots solider that made this happen.
I"m not 'dogging' the official campaign, just stating an opinion. I'm sure they are great people, and are trying to do what they feel are best.
Vote FRAUD has to be addressed!!!!!
This is either a REVOLUTION or it's NOT!!! They Shot across our Bow with Massive Vote Fraud, this can not Stand!!!! Dr Paul, step to the Plate!!!!
You have the MONEY!! You have the People!!! With all the MONEY raised the Campaign should have a REALTIME InterNet Response Team instead of letting us TWIST IN THE WIND! This is becoming Outreagous!!!
If you don't support Ron Paul...
If you don't support Ron Paul, who the hell else is there? NO ONE.
What is your second choice to what you have learned just being part of this campaign so far?
You'd be lieing to yourself, and you know it, to support anyone else.
We're all spoiled now, we found the truth.
True, true
Vote RON PAUL 2008
But since you asked 'who the hell else is there?' // there's DENNIS KUCINICH.
He's not doing too awfully great in the numbers, but he certainly has a following and he's a man that deserves our respect // He's not RON PAUL but at the same time he qualifies (in my mind) as to 'who the hell else is there?' -- especially since he is willing to take on Congress and present impeachment proceedings against those he believes has harmed and continues to harm our great and wonderful United States of America by flagrantly and blatantly disregarding the US Constitution as written. He'd be my second choice in all of this eventhough he's a Democrat (I'm not one to hold that against him). I'm a longtime registered Republican but one that is fed up with the gangsters that have turned our wonderful country into a killing machine willing to do the bidding of neo-cons and their twisted ideals (NWO).
I seriously believe our man RON PAUL will set this wonderful country back on track (again) // it's been so very long since its been on track // and that once president he will do many of the things that DENNIS KUCINICH has presented as separate issues in his own campaign. In fact this man would make our RON PAUL a decent Vice President. A true and honest Repub/Democ-mix // Go figure.
Kucinich
DK has no money, ranks lower than RP and he's a socialist.
One question. How'd he get that hot wife?
call the campaign office!
I just called the campaign office and asked: "why should people invest their time and money into a campaign if the voting is rigged?"
If enough people call the campaign with a simple message like that perhaps Ron Paul will make a move.
Kerry disillusioned a lot of folks in 2004 when he had millions in the bank (more than Ron Paul has now) after the end of the campaign and didn't challenge the Ohio vote fraud by hiring a legal team...
Yes!
I think this is a great idea.
Perhaps you could put the right phone numbers and email address here here if you have them. This would make it easier for folks to do this.
I think there HAS to be more communication between HQ and all of us.
Kerry was an idiot
Ron Paul will be handling this. Pour some water on your head, your hair is on fire. Take it easy, and don't be bugging the hell outta the HQ. Show some maturity here.
ME TOO !!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to hear from them too. I want to hear it from them what they are going to do, and why.
I agree we have to expose the system and have some justice
Bev Harris (blackboxvoting.org), Vickie Karp (voterescue.org) Jim Condit Jr. (votewatch08) etc. all agree that there was a definite problem with the count. See Devvy Kidd's article of today:
http://www.newswithviews....
Dr. K was on the radio last night with Rick Adams and said Ron could file criminal charges under "RICO/Racketeering".
Blackbox voting reported that So. Carolina was going to use the machines that are known to be rigged.
Something has to be done.
Best Evidence I've Seen
I don't know why people aren't posting this link over and over:
http://ronrox.com/paulsta...
Shows differences between Machine counted votes and Hand counted votes for both Dems and Repubs. There are statistically significant differences that would warrant a recount.
Thanks a million
I sure hope they will consider doing a recount soon. The granny warriors have already started raising money for it.
I am with you. I am waiting
I am with you. I am waiting to hear as well. I don't know if we won but I think we did a whole lot better than what the outcome shows. I also think Obama got screwed as well.
We have to take a stand here. If we don't there is no point in going forward.
I keep hearing folks talk about a delegate fight at the convention. If you have to have a delegate fight at the convention to win the nomination you are going to get creamed in the general election. We have to start doing well and winning primaries. To think we are going to get delegates, hope for a brokered convention and then when on the 2nd or 4th ballot is really a stretch. Any candidate who has to do that has no chance of winning in November. That is about like saying you might make the playoffs if one team losses, the next team losses twice and the other team wins by 50 points. It is nearly impossible. If this is what supporters and the campaign is banking on then they are delusional. We have to fight and win the primaries.
We have to change the heart and minds of Ameircans. You can't do that hoping you might win on a technicality is something might happen at a convention. If this is our plan we are in trouble.
No evidence
There is no evidence of fraud. There's an instance of what is most likely a mistake, that's it. But the Alex Jones crowd sees only conspiracies, so insufficient evidence is quickly turned into proof positive that the CFR and the Bilderbergers are laughing maniacally from the depths of Bohemian Grove.
Ron Paul should be concerned about the upcoming states. He should only address a recount if there is actual evidence of fraud, not just evidence of an error. And when I say "actual evidence", I mean serious evidence - the kind you could take to a court and prove an intent to defraud. Until you have that, the official campaign should focus on winning future states.
It's tough to see Ron Paul not get a huge breakthrough win in NH. It's tough on all of us. But lets not embarrass ourselves by pretending that there was some conspiracy keeping Ron Paul down.
"but the Alex Jones crowd
"but the Alex Jones crowd "
Easy tiger, you're walking that line of smear. Why is it just an Alex Jones crowd? I respect what Alex Jones does, but I'm hardly a listener.
"should only address a recount if there is actual evidence of fraud, not just evidence of an error."
This mentality of sliding it under the rug is what is hurting our great country. Look, maybe you don't believe elections need to be fair. It's your right and more power to you.
"so insufficient evidence is quickly turned into proof positive that the CFR and the Bilderbergers are laughing maniacally from the depths of Bohemian Grove."
Nice smear. You are trying to associate anyone with a different opinion with the extremists. I believe there is a job for you in the Guilliani campaign. Kudos!
There is no evidence of fraud.
the evidence is that somehow the "hand counted ballot process" magically produced significantly more Ron Paul votes than the "electronic balloting process." why is that statistically so?
additional evidence comes from the disperity in Obama versus Hillary polls.
MISTAKE OK O AND 31!!! WHY NOT 1000 AND 31000?
SUTTON NH 31 FROM 0 -SO MAYBE CONCORD NH 3100 FROM 100!
recount!!!!!!!!
Regardless of whether or not there was fraud...
there is proof of inaccurate vote counting. That alone should push Dr. Paul and his campaign to demand a recount.
You keep running down Alex
You keep running down Alex Jones. He has been fighting this fight for a while.
About 25% of the Ron Paul support comes from his listeners. Ok lets see.
We got 8% in New Hampshire. Cut off the Alex Jones supporters and the vote goes down to about 5% or so. That is really moving in the right direction now isn't it.
Alex Jones is probably the most loyal supporter Ron Paul has. He is a fighter and a revolutionary. You guys don't have the stomach for the fight.
Why don't you just go home and watch as Hillary destroys what freedom is left in this story. You might say you ran an honorable campaign but what does it matter if you lose. We need to win hear. We have to hold these liars and cheaters accountable. If not, the country is over.
How do you prove it
until you re-count? After watching the video on the totals from the AP, they do not add up! This needs, demands an explanation. Until someone gives a concrete answer to this, fraud is the only conclusion that is logical. And HQ needs to investigate and let all of us out here know what is happening. I don't like being a mushroom. We all feel too heavily invested in this movement to just pass it off. We are the owners, and we act accordingly. That means being intimately involved in strategy, too. I don't know whether HQ is doing a good job or not, I don't have any political experience. But if they do not defend the votes we get for them, we won't win. And we will all lose heart and the Revolution will die. Ron Paul needs to have a Braveheart moment, even though I don't like that movie.
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU Nathan Hale???
There is no conspiracy? THERE IS NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Is being excluded from the MSM and the blatant exclusion from the Fox Forum not a conspiracy to shut out Dr Paul? Why do we raise money for a blimp? for fucking fun? WE NEED IT COZ THE MSM WILL NOT COVER US! WHY THE MONEY BOMB? FOR FUN, PIECE LAUGHTER AND JOY? YOU SHIT HEAD, we do that so the MSM will cover us.
FUCK YOU AND SCREW YOU TO HELL, I dun get you ppl. WE WILL NEVER WIN WITH A BUNCH OF ASSWIPES LIKE YOU, we have been screwed BIG TIME and you act like nothing happen.
HELLO, there are evidence in SUTTON, GREENVILLE, only two towns. I am sure there are more towns with this crap happening. I apolagise for the vulgarities, I am fucking pissed with the fraud, HQ pretending like nothing happen and with "supporters" like you shooting down recount suggestions when there are clear signs of voting fraud occuring.
Do we need to shed the love in the revolution? We have been screwed big time in New Hampshire.
I wouldn't
put it quite in those terms, but I'm with pahlawan. There isn't "clear evidence" because the systems are proprietary (secret) and no one ever admits fraud - it will always be countered as being "incompetence" or a mistake. We have to get in there and recount a couple of those precincts, and see if the paper ballots match the results the machines spit out - and we have to do it FAST. The fact that Ron Paul did WORSE than the official land-line polls which targetted people who voted for Bush 3 years ago should tell you - the crowds should tell you, the straw polls should tell you. Ron Paul has wide support, especially in New Hampshire, much better than 8%, and we can't catch these bastards who are trying to stop Ron Paul unless we fight.
You don't NEED evidence - you just need to say "balony, I don't believe it, I want a hand recount". Maybe it'll cost some dough, so what - be the best money we ever spent. Not only do we deserve a recount, doing so will both make would-be cheaters think twice in the future, and also raise this issue, which is of the utmost importance, in the public conciousness.
"...we'll take care of the counting" - Peter King
http://whatreallyhappened...
Any of you with me?
Any of you with me? What is the matter with you guys? you can campaign for 1 month straight without eating and we will still be screwed if there is voting fraud.
Do we need to shed the love in the revolution? We have been screwed big time in New Hampshire.
I AM
What is this all about???? What good is spreading the message of Freedom so WE THE PEOPLE can vote on who we want for president or any other election if we can never win because of vote fraud. This makes no sense. We can't support, campaign, spread the message if in the end we can't get the candidiate we choose in. Why is this so hard for anyone to see. Its not like the subject of vote fraud is unique to Dr. Paul. Everyone you speak to believes that its going on. Whether they like Dr. Paul or not. This has got to be addressed, or there is NO REVOLUTION.
MISTAKE OK O AND 31!!! WHY NOT 1000 AND 31000?
sutton nh 31 from 0,greenville nh 25 from 0,maybe concord nh 3000 from 100?