BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR - don't Distract, Disparage and Divide

I am leaving the site, or I will refrain from posting anymore. I am not throwing a “fit” or anything; I am just tired of all the hypocrisy, name-calling and rudeness. I support Dr. Paul and I voted for him in my primary. I went out and handed out flyers, placed signs, convinced my friends and family to vote for him and painted a huge sign for him. I said he is “no God” and I was not trying to be insulting towards him, but I am not trying to elect a dictator but a liberty advocate. I was more alluding to the way some of you refer to him. He seems like a kind rational person to me. I will say it again – he is just a mortal man, not a god.

I think some of you are nice, but some are extremely rude and hypocritical trying to censor people when you say you are for liberty, it makes no sense. I am not talking about agent provocateurs who advocate violence, just people who choose to decent from your views. You will never catch me advocating violence or attacking someone with a flame attack (except that quote from Bill Cooper, sorry about that, I was upset). I feel many of you haven’t a clue about true liberty, or the Constitution. You try to say this site is private property; this is absurd when you are trying to engage people in a political discussion. I have a good impression of Dr. Paul, but I have a very negative impression of many of his supporters, especially the Libertarian Party types. I now remember the reason I like the Constitution Party better. Many Libertarians are somewhat false in my opinion. It is just like many Baptists, who no longer believe in baptism according to Acts 2:38 for remission of sins, or Democrats who try to rig elections – they contradict their name, which is ignorant, to say the least.

I still support Dr. Paul and hope he wins, at least Guilliani dropped out and Obama is defeating Hillary and McCain. 10-4 Over and Out

One problem is trolling and off topic stuff.

The other problem is censorship of good threads by self appointed moderators.

It's Michaels site and he deserves our thanks. He doesn't have the time to answer the huge volume of emails he gets.

I've made some suggestions here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

An example of an overactive flagger/deleter:

Falsely calling good guy a troll
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Some other examples.
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Now, others calling for this too...see mix under other threads.

Posted one month ago....still valid.

We should have at least one moderated thread. With time I'm sure several (many) moderators can be enlisted to seperate the grain from the chaff in a timely manner (i.e.: minutes). The subterfuge is bad and bound to get worse. (I'll volunteer.)

No one would let the enemy hang out in their bivouac and start fights. If that would be insane. This is our bivouac.

Some of the trolls have been around awhile and are pretty clever. With 2 months to go. I would suggest that there be no more new accounts for the next 2 months. People can still read the post and get info.

Moderation is not an option. I'll do my best to flag distractive post. Unfortunately a lot of them do come from genuine supporters who are lead by emotions and the media attacks. And, hopefully some of you are starting to read between the lines and see the underlying intent of the post or hidden meanings / assumptions. (usually the most offensive ones assume Ron Paul wont win so what will we do, ect.)

Kidbquick is a definate troll. Hopefully he is gone. I'll start a list as I see them. But, man I need to get out canvasing.

Don't feed the internet trolls - identify them!

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.

And we should enlarge our grassroots internet portals. You want a board which hase moderators an a hierarchical topics format? A board where the saboteure can't sabotage our efforts? A video creation board for Dr. Paul's campaign? And more: www.wtpcast.com

That much everybody knows.. it's getting out of hand..

Some have stressed this site as Private Property which in fact it is. Let's make a comparison. I'm a homeowner, if I feel my home (which I feel is my castle which is the exact same as Dr. Ron Paul believes too) is endangered I have every right to do what I must to Protect my Property.
Same goes for this site, Michael created and owns this site. If he sees some posts promoting breaking laws, damaging property whether it be public or private property, If he chooses do delete posts of the flamers and Excess Cussers It Ultimately is his decision. As I've previously stated I would be all for the "Relaxed" Moderation and by "Relaxed" I mean to base it on an agreement to follow and to use Dr. Ron Paul as a model and precise guideline on the Moderation Level nothing more nothing less. We ALL should be following the examples of the Good Doctor.

a sidenote: where exactly is the page that has the forum guidelines? I can't seem to find it.

split this forum into two forums. One for ideology and the other for campaign strategy. The two subjects are really worlds apart and should be divided somehow. Ideology would be where the curious should investigate what the grass roots supporters think, and campaign strategy is reserved for the whiners and prognosticators. What do you think?

Liberty is not free, It must be earned!

This should be bumped until it happens.

I used to be against this, but I see this everywhere I go. Flashback a few months ago, everything was so positive. Negative posts were quickly put in perspective or ignored..

I've seen this happen now on many websites, forums and if there is one conspiracy I believe in - it is PAID POSTERS. I know some of you will laugh, but I've seen dozens pop up at a time, all similar, all negative or seemingly outrageous (negative by association) and I am completely convinced that this is a real phenomenon.

The posts should absolutely be monitored for morale purposes. A lot of you don't realize how damaging these posts can be.

Some one I know searched for info and googled Ron Paul. The found Daily Paul.

After they read some of the posts, they conclude that Ron Paul's campaign must be in serious trouble because most of the posts were negative and love to name-call. The supporters seemed to be squabbling and freaking out about non-issues and getting people off way off track, while others were encouraging and thinking of new and better ways to help Dr. Paul get elected.

They really had to search this site to understand Ron Paul's stance on the issues, and what his supporters think about his stances.

They were perplexed at how much negative stuff there is, and wondered if Ron Paul is really the man he says he is, because although he is always polite in public and never indulges in personal attacks against anyone or any group, his supporters seem to be very very different from him.

So do you think that can't happen? It did, at least once that I know of personally. BTW, that person will now not vote for Ron Paul, not because they don't agree with him, but because they just can't trust that he is who he says he is because of the garbage they had to weed through thrown down by his own supporters online.

The online Moles are succeeding from within by using Ron Paul supporters to destroy the chances of the one man who can save our country.

Wake up. We don't need someone to censor this forum. Censor yourself.

In fact I've been surfing for a more organized and positive forum with strong moderation rules (zero tolerance for BS & attacks and whiney complaints), and rather providing insight, upbeat motivation, exploration of positions -- with sources, source documents, sourced quotes, etc.

Anyone know of a place ? Anyone starting such a place?

Gwen Kraft

"Personal liberty AND personal responsibility." - Dr. Paul

This forum should focus on positive strategies for getting Ron Paul elected.

Some threads should be banned outright. For example, the Anyone but Hillary thread. That is an anti-RP thread and doesn't belong here. Many others like it have appeared.

Posts that blindly criticize HQ should be elminated, athough positive suggestions should stay.

Some long and redundant threads should be closed.

Posts that encourage or celebrate illegal activites or activities that will cast an unfavorable light on RP should be closed.

Posters who make pests of themselves in the forgoing ways should be warned and then banned.

People who think the First Amendment protects speech on private property (like this) need to study how the Constitution works. I can assure you that any soldier who spoke out in oppostion to George Washington's orders during the war and tried to talk the soldiers into dissent were NOT given a forum. They were shot.

yesterday I posted made a list of how some more subtle negative
posts (same day) are used by just a few posters:

Meeting of the "Just Be Reasonable" club in session
And on the Agenda (paraphrased)

Move on, nothing to see here in this (or that) thread...
I’ve been here as long as...longer than you and I know more (so your opinions are wrong) ....
hey I like the guy but face it we are weak...
hey I like the guy but face it he is weak...
RP can never win now...
face it there really is not as much support as has been seen...
there really are just a few activists moving around from town to town, state to state....
I support the guy but the polls really are right....
its the leader not the message which is a problem, he can't win ...
its the organization which is the problem...
give up folks its a lost cause
Forget any thoughts of a recount...
there's no point in a recount as not enough votes will be found to make a difference ...
really don't do a recount, these are just honest mistakes...

Now did I miss anything?
BTW KUDOS to Michae!l He runs a stellar board. He also keeps the world in touch with the campaign for freedom. God Bless Ron Paul and God Bless Michael. What he needs is support.
PS
We are about to start campaigning for some upcoming byelections (sort of like mid terms) here in Canada and I am learning so much from Michael and the whole Ron Paul freedom movement about ways to support our candidates. We are really new at this and the movement in Canada is just beginning.

best regards to all
cw

There are many "Moles" from the other candidates camps who belong to this forum and other Ron Paul forums. Their posts are easy to spot and some fall for them every time.

This is how they operate: They post things to play on your emotions and anger you, encourage you to say a lot of nasty or silly stuff. They make you go off topic and run down rabbit trails on purpose, and then they record the information you (and I) have posted. They supply it to their own campaign, who figures out they best way to use it against us and Ron Paul. This is called the game of politics, and it has been going on for years and years and years, way before the internet was around. Ask anyone who has ever been involved in a campaign. They know. They've seen the dirty tricks and heard the horrible lies, and had to do damage control.

Although you can't censor anyone's posts, you, Michael, and others, who truly care can continue to encourage people to use discretion and sensitivity before posting an entry that would hurt Ron Paul and make the poster look like a fool. If some of you would just stop taking the bait and getting hooked in, these threads would die for lack of interest and no damage would be done.

Politics is a nasty, dirty business. Stop playing into their hands. Think before you post about how they can use your words against Dr. Paul. Do you want someone to have to clean up a mess you caused by posting without thinking? Ron Paul has enough crap to worry about than having to do damage control due to his own supporters lack of discretion and discernment.

Step1: You are wrong
Step2: None required

I have visited many forums over the years. some started off with moderation and some instituted it midstream. Some never had it.

The minute you get a moderation nazi, people end up divided. you have the people who are ass-kissing the moderators, the people who dont ass kiss the moderators and just go about their business, and the people who are the targets of the moderator nazi and who are ganged up against by all of the ass kissers.

right now, we have none of the ass kissers and none of the moderators. it sounds like your idea is to really divide people. crying for moderation is, in and of itself division.

drop your crying please and do something positive for the doctor.

how many people did you tell about dr paul today?

Let just implement "The Fairness Doctrine", for every stupid post there is, I will post a thread, HEHE

Well, I agree their should be some sort of Moderation. I feel if the site owner implements Moderators that it should be more Relaxed allowing the Freedom of Speech. If you have posters spouting criminal actions to be taken then YES by all means delete the post Warn them that criminal acts won't be Tolerated and the next time Ban them from posting ever again. We don't need Moderators like other sites that abuse their powers but a more relaxed form that is strictly tolerant of Freedom of Speech but zero-tolerance for those willing to break the law and other criminal behavior such as a previous example of "spray painting public places" or whatnot. Those public places were paid for by the People.
Yes there should be some sort of Moderation not a Super strict one as other sites have that delete posts that disagree with their views but more like Relaxed Moderation that is strictly on the beliefs of Dr. Ron Paul. We should be making an example of Honesty, Truth, Intergrity, and the Rights of Every Individual. So Yes while I feel Moderation is in order it should be a Relaxed Moderation to uphold the Views of Dr. Ron Paul. Remember Freedom People. As a nation, every nation needs Laws. Let's not forget who Ron Paul is. He is a Great Man who believes in Freedoms for Every Individual. He believes in the Truth.

Than try to play referee to other people's conversation? I don't want big government, and I don't want to be big government. There are posting guidelines on the forum page. The only thing I will delete or kick out is the stuff on there, which basically comes down to flaming other people, racist crap and excessive vulgarity. I expect people to model their behavior after Dr. Paul. He is respectful, honest & doesn't swear. I don't want to enforce that behavior, nor do I have the time.

Considering that I have a full time job, I couldn't do it anyway. I believe we're all adults here. If something is really bad, people can flag it themselves, but it takes 7 people to get something off the site. I encourage people to use that feature (Flag as offensive).

If you'd really like to help support the site, so I can make some badly needed upgrades and quit my day job, please buy a poster!

http://www.isupportronpau...

Since other people are pimping their blogs, I figure I'll pimp my own project as well
:-)

Michael Nystrom

This is a privately owned Discussion board.
The owners can choose to delete anything they see fit.

A little moderation is not a bad idea.

Especially since there has been an obvious attempt to load up this place with negativity.