RON PAUL to 9/11 Truthers
Posted January 11th, 2008 by RonPaulRocks1
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When asked if they (9/11 Truthers) should cease..... Dr Paul replied....
"Well it does not do me any good so if they cared about me they would [cease]....."
Get the message folks? That is what Ron said 5 minutes ago! Believe whatever you like. But please do not tie things that are not part of Ron's message to him or to the campaign. We can of course do and believe whatever we like but we should not be trying to do things, that clearly Dr. Paul does not support, in his name.
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Drives me nuts, this 9/11 truther thing..
It is just one of the WORST in a whole gaggle of conspiracies that are being perpetrated every day. Cripes. Bhutto said Osama Bin Laden was already dead. She named his murderer. The Feds keep saying no recession. The Nat'l ID cards are already coming out in NC with the N. American Continent on them.. Chips will be implanted--maybe in mandated vaccinations of our children..TODAY there was a HIGHLY unlikely situation with Iran, that videos are already showing they are NOT what we were told. There are TOO MANY conspiracies to pick them apart one by one. I swear I could go ON AND ON for years. Thank God for the Internet and the RP movement. When they can not control us any more their web of lies will begin to untangle. It all starts with the CFR and has to end there. BUT it will take a LOONG time. So relax and let us do what we can. Elect reps that will not be bought by lobbiests or dragged into the CFR. Keep fighting for liberty. It is our only chance.
Strategies of the Power Elite
All 9/11 seekers of Truth I know are hip to the game, Ron Paul cannot at this time mention anything connected with 9/11. He is going after the core beast, i.e., Federal Reserve, and those who are intent to destroy the Constitution. The events of 9/11 are a symptom of the problem, and any good doctor would treat the core problem not just the symptom. Would I like him to take a stand more like Kucinich, yes. However, can live with his current strategy just fine for now. Please those of you who are scratching the surface, stop criticizing freedom loving people who are working towards exposing the truth of 9/11. Just as we are working to expose the lies behind other issues, i.e., phony money, NAU, allow us to work on the issues God calls us to. It is the divide and conquer strategies of the forces of darkness that are trying to destroy this movement any way they can. They are on the run, stay focused and wise. Call to God for justice daily, and allow for people to speak freely.
Come on guys - help him win
then demand an investigation. If he looses, your ideas have no voice
Airminder...
Dude... when I go to my meetup group, persons who believe in a conspiracy are waving signs as long as I am. Tone it slightly...
dude...... remember this..
dude...... remember this.. very very very few of us in this country see that there are great discepencies in all the 911 bs.. Yes i saw building 7 go down and wonder how the hell did that happen? I saw the gas station security camera capture something other then a airplane that hit the pentagon... I have my doubts about the official government 911 story. the problem is this! most of the people in this country who vote for Mcain, huckster or any other candidate only know what the media tells them.. 95% of the citizens of this country are to friggin lazy to research it them selves! all the media does is twist the 911 movement around to make us look like a bunch of morons sitting in the closet with our tin foil hats on! its time to drop the conspiracy theories. it does Ron Paul no good! when the man gets into office we will then get our reward.. many people can't see the forest threw the trees wisen up people! just like the guy who hit hannity with a snow ball... EVER HEAR THE SAYING KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS!!! THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO!
Beware of their divide and
Beware of their divide and conquer approach. Read RP's last message to his grassroots on this forum. This is not the place to discuss 9/11. Concentrate on the message and on how to get RP elected.
On a lighter note
there was ONE time where Rudy aaaalmost squeaked out a "911" then caught himself- he went the whole debate without saying it...I guess that counts as "change".
Yeah, "change", as in he
Yeah, "change", as in he changes with the wind.
Blowback...
The absolute hypocrisy of this topic's creator is overwhelming. Why don't you stop tying this topic into the campaign? Creating a topic headline with exactly what it is Dr. Paul doesn't want associated with his campaign I don't believe is what the good doc had in mind. This topic should be flagged and deleted immediately!
I'd have to agree.
However, I have found this thread useful in correcting people who don't get it.
RP is not about dealing with 9-11 truth. On his website it is not listed as a
campaign issue. So why do people make stupid threats and threads like this ESPECIALLY when it is based off of RP's politically correct (Regardless
if that is what he thinks or not) response to a LOADED MSM BS question?
I'll tell you why, because we have some legit supporters who are scared that 9-11 truth is a threat to the movement as a whole (not true at all). I don't think conspiracy people push their views on people. They put them out there when given the opportunity, nothing more. Second, I agree that its important that people not link their views with RP directly - and say that they support him even though their topic is not directly his campaign issue.
3rd, we have some trolls and infiltrators on this site who are nothing more than enemy agents, for lack of a better term. It is best that we keep an eye on them ( I already have a growing list) and I heartilly recommend people keep an eye on strange posters, and when you are 100% sure it is a troll, nail em with the truth. It is the best way to protect ourselves against such wretches. Thank you.
I think it should be
I think it should be investigated but put on pause for now. I do think some of this radical supporters is not all bad though. A little blowback when they are so biased. Snowballs at hannity was so awesome.
To the 911 Truthers
Wait. No one else running (with the exception of Kucinich) would dare to confront a new investigation once elected. During a race, to acknowledge that an investigation is on the table would be political suicide. We know Ron Paul's stance on justice and we know he would give the people voice if it was brought to his desk. and not because he owes the 9/11 truthers anything- but because in light of what he is presented with he may decide that it is the right thing to do. Do not ask him to commit political suicide during the election by asking him if he would release the ufo files etc. you know damned well noone else will- so its not going to make you change your vote . just know that he is not for secret government programs etc and just put the more fringe issues on the back burner until he is in office.
Word
TRUTHERS: You have one good thing going for you
RON PAUL HAS AN OPEN MIND.
When Ron Paul is elected, the SECRETS END!
*** Brothers and Sisters***
First, I hope some of you take this post very seriously. I too like so many of you haven't studied 9/11 inside and out for years now. I've read the books, watched the movies, read the documents and walked away with this. The official story is a fraud.
Okay now what?
Most of us know that the "official" story is wrong. But none of us know the how's and why's it's exactly wrong...... yet. I just as much as you hope that someday the whole world can witness the truth unfold. It will be stunning.
But.....
That is not today, nor tomorrow or the next day. I beg all of us to lax up on the drive, via RP, to produce some kind of savior for the 9/11 truth movement. Can't we just be satisfied with the RON PAUL TRUTH MOVEMENT?!!!!!
Understand that by helping to get him elected will be the greatest thing this country has ever seen. Can't that be enough for now?
Let's be respectful to ALL of the people here at DP and abroad working their collective asses off to do one thing and one thing only ........ GET RON PAUL
ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
The rest will be a cake walk compared to this task at hand.
My man ... this is a great post ... but ...
.... we are chilling ... and have been chilling .
The only people who tie it together are MSM ... and a few un-informed supporters .
No one is yelling " ... Ron Paul ! 911 Truth ! ... " lol
It's a media fabrication that works .... because many of his supporters ARE in the movement .
It's a media black-op .... plain and simple . Divide and Conquer .
The oldest trick in the book .
This is not true
There are many who hand out 911 stuff with RP stuff. These people believed RP believed the same way because AJ had him on for years and they discussed these things. They saw these two issues as hand and hand together. RP was against all the big corrupt goverment and false flags, etc. Truthers usually cannot separate 911 truth and what RP stands for. They are very similar. Truthers cannot understand why RP does not hold to their position. Many, like Jones, have called government people deceivers who do not take their position.
But maybe this whole thing is a divide and conqure the truth movement???
I can honestly say ....
.... I have never seen this . Both me and my brother join a group , and we campaign ... and it's never discussed in relation to that campaign .
I can't speak for Alex .... but for me Ron Paul is as near as perfection as I can get . I would have to look at the heavens for a more perfect being .
He has this one issue I don't agree with him on . Due to the overwhelming things he talks about that no other candidate would dare touch .... he gets my support .
Advice to 911 Truthers
To all the 911 Truthers. Do not be discouraged with Dr. Paul because he does not yet embrace our views. I have been following Dr. Paul and listening to every word he has said. At the beginning of this campaign and throughout his years of public service he has said that he does not trust any government agency to investigate itself. Furthermore if you go back to previous debates he said he would find out and hunt down those who are responsible for this act. Dr. Paul is our best opportunity to bring a real investigation of this tragic event, but now is not the time. I ask that you not associate Dr. Paul with your efforts to spread the truth. I support Dr. Paul and I am also a 911 Truther. Continue on with your efforts to spread the truth and help Dr. Paul spread the message of liberty.
I was at NORAD on the morning of Sept 11, 2001 and I assure all of you we are not being told the truth by our government.
Brian
USAF Veteran
Defense Contractor
Stop labeling people and actual movements. Are you...
...an echo box? What is a 9/11 Truther? Explain this to me, please. Anyone with two operating brain cells who's paid attention to the events surrounding September 11th 2001 know they govt. is not telling the truth. Who here is spreading information about Sept.11th? I've yet to see a forum topic about this subject on the Daily Paul. I'm not saying that there never was one, but I've never seen one. This site is dedicated to electing Ron Paul for president, and nothing else...for the moment that is. I'm sure down the road, once Dr.Paul is elected, Michael will give this site a new purpose. Stop repeating labels and actually define the people who you're speaking about. 9/11 truthers? Who are "they"? I want the truth to be found out and revealed. Am I a 9/11 Truther? I just thought I was a concerned american. There's a time and place for this discussion, but look who's bringing this up on the Daily Paul. Are you a 9/11 Truther? Any responsible person knows these things. The very few people that have been trouble makers have been attached to those who wish to have very important questions answered. Including families of the victims. Stop attaching a few numb-skulls to these honorable people. It's the same propaganda that's being played on the rEVOLution. Either ignore them or make them seem like a bunch of nuts. Sound familiar? Drop the subject on the Daily Paul. There are plenty of sites dedicated to this subject, which is the proper place to discuss such topics. Please stop echoing the propaganda. Thank you.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
Then Shut Up and don't respond
if you feel that way. There are Plenty of other posts on here that has NOTHING to do with 911 OR with getting Ron Paul elected. This post however is quite popular, it's been at the top for a while now. And part of that blame rests on your shoulders because you commented on it.
I'm to blame?
First, don't tell me to shut up. By doing so, you invite others to silence you. Of course, you haven't figured that part out yet. You're learning...so I understand. Secondly, I will squash ignorance as best as I can wether you approve or not. The last I checked, I didn't need permission from anyone to speak my mind. Want a comment from me? Post something ignorant...oops...I'm posting under your response. Whooooop! Whooooop! Ignorance alarm! Last, but not least, If I'm to blame for keeping the thread going by commenting....what are you doing by commenting about my commenting? Durrr.....do you like rabbits George? I like rabbits. Ha ha ha ha ha! Are you a real person?
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
So you say he is not lying but uninformed?
911 truthers claim that it is obvious. RP claims to have looked into the matter, indeed he really looks into all matters he votes on, and is in a very special position to look into this particular matter, far more than most of us are. His argumentation on these points goes beyond 911 but also into going after Osama and voting for the invation of Afghanistan, etc. This he claims is a very important thing the US should be doing, going after the 911 terrorists. This is what he voted for in 2001 and he argues very strongly for that. So I do not see any reason for you to say "yet".
Pay attention blind sheep on
dailypaul.........Brian's post is the correct way to tell us to HUSH. Just show a bit of respect that's all. If you think you're going to tell us to shut up and arrogantly shove it in our face how do you think we're going to react? As a fellow 911 Truther I can tell those of you that are not truthers the hours of countless research that each and every one of us does. Most truthers that I know were like the rest of you SHEEP are now about this. We went into this research out of curiosity and definitly were looking for that OHHHH, yea this is BS......those 911 dudes are nuts..........but, guess what? That didn't happen for me. I was honest about it. The more honest I was about it and the more I looked into it the more sleep I lost. Commenting on the dailypaul isn't going to hurt him. Tying Ron Paul to this and us claiming we know his views on this can hurt him, So, i certainly promise not to do that. I will not promise to stop talking about it. It needs to be discussed....here, and other places.
bbblackshhep..I agree with everything you say
except( respectfully) that it should be discussed HERE on DP or other Ron Paul forums.
I feel that this is a landing spot for a lot of newcomers,and RP's message is complex enough without beating them over the head with 9/11...
It is a subject that people at first want to feverishly deny,as it take their whole concept of the world, and all that they have learned, and turns it upside down.
Remember that the people that thought the earth was round were called kooks as well...rather than trying to wake up the peeps about 9/11,we should be getting RP elected.
We know he will do the right thing...
Not helping
Advice like this just fuels the fire that Paul sympathizes with this position. I take him at his word. He has no sympathy for this, period. I do not expect him to spend one second on it if elected, just as he has not given it a second thought in the last 6 years in Congress.
This discussion just won't end
because I'm not going to just sit back and let stupid uninformed comments about 911 go by. Ron Paul has been a guest of the Alex Jones show for YEARS......Alex Jones is the biggest 911 Truther you will find and also COMPLETLY supports Ron Paul and is a former Republican himself. I have NEVER heard Alex and Ron discuss who is responsible for 911 and most listeners would find this odd being that Alex discusses this or brings it up in some fashion or other with most guests on his show. However, Alex has a temper and sometimes yells and gets irrate and sometimes says things that he regrets. I have heard him say........."Of course Ron Paul knows about 911".....then pause and say.......just nevermind....you know what im talking about and that's all im going to say about it. Personally? I think he knows. I could be wrong. I'm more confident that 911 was an Inside Job than I am that Ron Paul agrees with this. But, deep down I feel like he knows. What is he supposed to do? He can't admit it, that's political suicide.......even myself as a 911 Truther knows this.
I agree about the ignorant 9/11 comments...
...and you seem to be making many of them. What do you know about this subject aside from what Alex Jones spews? Alex Jones is THEE biggest fear-mongering entity out there...aside from the government that is. He's done his part in helping to get concern up, but he spews garbage about 9/11. Nobody knows the truth. That's what the truth movement is about. Finding and seeking the truth. Not that there's this great big conspiracy that needs to be whispered in every ear of every citizen of this country. You're a tool for Alex Jones. Stop drinking his Kool-aid and you will be better off. Alex Jones claims to have started or created so many things involving the rEVOLution that it's sickening. He claims to have came up with the Nov.5th donation! Ha ha ha ha ha! Too funny for those who were there during it's inception and infancy. I apologize. I shouldn't have said stop listening to Alex Jones. I mean, stop believing everything that you hear. William Cooper(RIP) always said to read everything, listen to everyone, and believe nothing unless you can prove it with your own research. I believe this is great advice for anyone. I have been and am involved with groups who want to have 9/11 investigated properly. I'm not involved with groups who claim to know what happened that day. Facts are facts. Everything else is rumor-mill.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
Chill Baubau. I think we've
Chill Baubau. I think we've all said our peace. It was a nice little discussion while it lasted, but let's not let it escalate into something bigger.
Time to go back into passive mode for me, the bigger picture, you know?
My friend you are confused
You are saying that you suspect that Ron Paul is lying. But is not the reason you are hear because you think he is the only honest candidate?
No in fact AJ has brought up 911 many times with RP on the show. I have listed for some 6 years to the show. That was how I first learned of RP.
But yes you are right, I copied the clip the other day of Jones saying just this: http://rpmgt.org/RonPaul....
Should I try a last time ...... ?
It doesn't matter to some of us if he supports this . This is something we support .
The supporters never mix the two .... only MSM will .
Anybody who attacks Ron Paul supporters is playing right into the hands of MSM .
..... so you may as well get payed for it .
Does anybody know what the Gulf of Tonkin was ? This is a major attack point of Ron Paul's .... so you should know it .
A free Ron Paul sign , for the first guy who can tell me .....
Also see
Look up USS Maine. As in the ship that was allegedly sabotaged by the Spanish while at anchor in Cuba and which precipitated the Spanish-American war. Used as a pretext for US forces to annex Cuba, Puero Rico, and the Phillipines.
There was a similar flimsy pretext to start the Mexican War in which we annexed California and the southwest. Some sort of staged border crossing into Texas.
Oh, and let's not forget the "Poland is invading us!" pretext that Hitler used to start WWII. Or the pretext Italy used to annex Ethiopia, or Britain used to annex Egypt, South Africa, ...
Try all you like, some
Try all you like, some people don't seem to read other's thoughts, they are too wrapped up in spewing their own.
Gulf of Tonkin Incident -> In a nutshell, pretext used by LBJ to enact the Gulf of Tonkin resolution allowing the escalation of the Vietnam War that cost millions of lives for profit and false ideology. Came out later that much of the incident, as reported, was untrue.
Was considered a conspiracy theory, and still is by many.
No, he's right
Don't ever make the ignorant mistake of thinking Paul doesn't know what's up. He wouldn't speak of staged attacks, the gulf of tonkin, and the new Iran speedboat thing if he didn't.
HEY
Ron Paul gets Elected to Pres He WILL HAVE ALL THE INFO FROM JFK TO 911 IN HIS HANDS SO GET BUSY AND GET DR PAUL ELECTED!!!
NUFF SAID.
I was waited for FAUX to ask
I was waited for FAUX to ask him about alien babies and stuff, you know if he wouldn't shut them down so quickly that topic was next.
hey
I'm a fervent believer that alien babies have taken over the CFR and are using it to drive Britney Spears insane. This is my most important issue and although Ron can't talk about it during the campaign, I know he'll thoroughly investigate once he's elected.
Or not.
HEY
Ron Paul gets Elected to Pres He WILL HAVE ALL THE INFO FROM JFK TO 911 IN HIS HANDS SO GET BUSY AND GET DR PAUL ELECTED!!!
NUFF SAID.
This just goes to show that how confused 911 people are
to support RP. Why do people like Alex Jones support RP when his whole worldview states this is so obvious. Actually Jones says RP is lying for now. See here: http://rpmgt.org/RonPaul....
So 911 people on this group are either agreeing with Jones or believing RP is just not informed?
lol .... you guys are something else tonite .
Confused ?.... I'm trying to tell you to end your confusion on the matter .
I support Ron Paul ..... but I don't comb my hair like him .
We support him because he understands the military concept of "staged terror" .
No other candidate will speak to this .
He speaks about the Gulf of Tonkin , and the threat of a staged attack in the Persian Gulf .... to which he spoke to just today on the debate !
He's the only candidate who speaks to CIA black operations ... as being a bad thing .
If you took all his support away who were lobbying for an independent investigation ..... he would be left with 25% of his base .
Please do not make a mistake about this matter ,
I can't speak for everybody .... but I believe although Ron Paul is aware of staged terror ... he cannot bring himself to believe any other thing than what he has been told happened on that day . He's too good hearted .
That's my personal opinion .
Is that like his statement
that those who are part of the international globalist conspiracy of ideas are really sincere? And those who believe in the UN and building big government, and promoting all these wars? Are these just mistakes in thought or actually insincere?
Read between the lines, sir.
It's obvious RP is not going to play the MSM's game by allowing them to dictate the questions. And you are acting as if the MSM's questions are legit in the first place, when they are NOT.
RP does not focus on 9-11 truth because he know's that there is very little conclusive evidence he can point to and say "SEE 9-11 was a fake".
If there was some universally accepted evidence (note the term universally accepted) then he would reconsider, since he is for saying what he knows for certain is the truth.
Let's at least recognize that RP, does not support anything we say or do not say - but he does support us support his bid for president. Read between the lines and don't be such a stickler for detail. The context of the moment tends to trump the details of his reply. It was a hostile
media question meant to force Paul to either seem to abandon some of his supporters, or to admit he's a 9-11 truther (Which he wouldnt do regardless of if he is or not) so the media could slam him for it.
That is known as a "trap" question. He selected the correct answer and thus avoided the trap. Its typical media BS and they love "messing" with people by asking them "Zinger, GOTCHA" type questions. Anyone who has watched and understands the MSM gets this concept.
Therefore, my point is that it does not matter what RP believes on this matter, other than what he is going to do about it. Last time I looked 9-11 was not listed as a campaign issue on the Ronpaul2008 website. If it
is not listed there, then why do you bring it up. If I go by some people's thinking here, you could say why does Mitt allow Catholics in his campaign since he's Mormon? It's just as stupid a subject - the only difference is that no one in the MSM is asking Mitt that question.
I agree
that it was a trick question. But this was not something that only happened once.
I don't know if you are a newcomer to RP but I have been watching him for 6 years now. What Fox did the way they pressed the question was not right, but it is naive to think that 911 truthers are a small number of supporters. In fact there would be no RP running for president or Revolution if it was not for the truth movement. Thus it is a very serious question. We are not talking about a small matter but something at the fabric of all the major issues: from money, to wars, to liberties, to bigger gov.
Again, no doubt the media is reading these discussions. And they see many people claim RP is lying about his belief on this subject. Is it not right to want to find this out? I do not believe Fox is sincere at all in asking this.
Only two choices?
How about difference of opinion. What does it matter? Or is the cult of personally so strong now that is not acceptable?
Not the man, the message.
Either way Shut Up
At least for 1 year. Just Shut Up. Your hurting your own cause.
This is why you're MORONS. Not because you want an investigation but because of the way you go about getting it. Your like someone who has a headache so they hit themselves in the head with a hammer.
Freaking Idiots.
IF you can't shut up for a few months then you are TRAITORS to the cause of liberty.
There needs to be a special flag for "truthers" to delete all post referencing it in our war camp. This is not a "public" forumn for anyone.
This is a war camp for the Ron Paul presidential campaing.
Nothing more , nothing less.
DR. PAUL HAS SPOKEN. SHUT UP OR GET OUT !
First we're kooks, now we're
First we're kooks, now we're traitors. Haha! Thanks for making me laugh.
Man, the rhetoric around here is starting to sound dangerously unlike Dr. Paul's message. How about you shut up with your collectivist attitude? YOU are hurting the message more than any truther ever could when you start sounding like a damn brownshirt, worshiping the almighty leader above all else. That truly scares people.
I LIVE the message everyday of my life...you unfortunately, do not seem to get it.
If you can't shut up
for a few months then you are TRAITORS to the cause of liberty.
zamboni
If you're not with us, then you're with the TERRORISTS.
George W. Bush
You sound an awful like like W there zamboni.
That is a good point
I just want to know the truth. Half these people say RP has to lie about this, and the other half say he is just ignorant. This is no small matter even though people want to ignore it. Jones says he was a major influence for RP running and he and his gang started the RP Revolution. Obviously a large number of supporters are truthers. I don't think these questions are going away any time soon when such large numbers believe RP is either lying or ignorant about something major. For the reason people are behind RP is because they believe he is honest and informed. This is really confusing to me.
It's a non issue
Ron Paul is for transparency of government, plain and simple. Regardless of what he believes, that is why the truthers support him, and they have as much of a right to do so as you. Also, it is political suicide to say anything but the official story. Keep an open mind...who knows what rp actually thinks on the issue.
Hey listen up everybody ......
I SUPPORT Ron Paul .
But I don't kneel before him .... you understand ? I didn't leave my brain at the door .
I knew Ron Paul a full 2 years before he decided to run ... and I loved him then .
Ron Paul has a HUGE 911 Truth support . This is true .
Fox News brings the topic up because of a hidden agenda .
The fact is ... it's purely Fox's propoganda to link the two . The supporters never do . Anyone who believes that , has been played like a fiddle by Fox propagandists . You ought to be ashamed you were hoodwinked so easy .
I urge everyone here to forget the term 911 Truth .... because it's too vague a term .
Rather think of it like this ... there are a huge number of Ron Paul's supporters , who actively lobby for an independent criminal investigation .
..... there .... that's not so bad was it ?
Remember .... they also tried to silence a similar movement in the death of President John Kennedy .
Oh ... and by the way ..... does anybody really buy that Osama Bin Laden had Al Queda agents working for him in a top security clearance Ft. Dietrich chemical weapons lab ?
I didn't think so .
That's where the anthrax came from . You know ... the attack that tried to kill the members of Congress ? They traced it back to the specific cow used ... 100% infallible .
Have a nice day everyone ........ ( smile ) .