I Was at the Debate
Posted January 11th, 2008 by Dugg
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I've never felt more sick to my stomach. What a debacle and sham. When Dr. Paul spoke they split the screen with McCain to get the crowd laughing at his mugging and make it look like they were laughing at Dr. Paul. They didn't do that to anyone else.
The questions that they asked and the disrespect Hume showed all made me want to scream at the top of my lungs.
I will never watch FAUX again. I pray RP is going to ask for a recount in NH. Why not? That would force them to focus on you and might just expose them all as frauds.
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Civil Disobedience...
Just like it was obvious during the civil rights movement that hosing down and having dogs attack the protesters were wrong, it'll be obvious that the treatment of Ron Paul is not right. Acting out, as justified as it may seem, will not help the revolution. Again, the civil rights movement succeeded because the injustice became obvious.
Carl Cameron
These Fox Debates seriously look like political theatre representing the Propaganda wing of the Third Reich.
Look at the video and tell me that Carl Cameron would not be perfect to play a Nazi Sergeant Major standing guard leaning on a Post of a bobbed wire fence with the Nazi Uniform and related hat smoking a cigarette speaking guttural German. The lead moderator is a Nazi General.
Nothing against Germany Folks, but I can't visualize anything else when I see Carl Cameron asking those questions. Kinda Scary.
I completely
I completely agree. What kind of news is that? All they do is make the debates a big spectacle. It's much less a debate than a piece of entertainment. Garbage, pure garbage.
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"make fun, buddy."
I am now convinced that Ron Paul is the FAVORITE to become President, even if it means that 100 million people will be writing him in. We need to keep working hard, as Ron and the message keep winning people over.
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"Let me see if I get this right. We borrow $10 billion from China, and then we give it to Musharraf, who is a military dictator, who overthrew an elected government. And then we go to war, we lose all these lives promoting
Could you give us the crowd reaction to Ron Paul ?
Could you give us the crowd reaction to the electabilty question ?
Do you think the crowd was swayed by Ron Paul during the debate ?
I think the people who payed
I think the people who payed to get in there were all hard core supporters of their candidate and nothing said is going to sway any of them. It's the people in tv land that haven't decided yet who are important.
Thanks
Thanks Dugg
Who was the guy with the big ears
and droopy face?
My husband played this out, he's so funny:
Droopy face, "Will you tell the 9-11 truthers to stop their support?"
RP, "Will you tell your face to stop melting off your skull?"
I was LMAOROTF!!
Carl Cameron...
That Was Carl Cameron. (Campaign Carl, as Fox calls him)
Romney was schmoozing with him in another part of the debate.
We call him Carl CaMoron
I think the split-screen ploy failed..At least it did on TV
To me, and others (some not RP supporters), it put forth the effect that Ron was schooling them on Reality..especially the McCain, and Huckbee splits.
especially
when Ron was talking about McCain's plan to commit our nation to 100 more years of war and McCain just shrugged his shoulders like who cares.
It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter what they think. Spending the rest of the campaign reacting to Fox or Laura Ingraham or LImbaugh would, to me, be the stupidest thing we can do. The Matrix analogy people keep using here is perfect. It will probably take rank-and-file Republicans years to see how corrupt and propagandic Fox is.
All the jeering, sniggering, ridicule cannot make someone look bad anyway. Dr. Paul stands there with perfect dignity and answers calmly and it slides right off him. You can try really hard to slander someone but usually who they are speaks louder. That's why the laughter is diminishing imo.
Red Pill or Blue Pill?
How do we get people to take the Red Pill or the Blue Pill?
How do we pull the plug?
And HOW do we get our hands on the Key Maker?
I know the Key Maker.
His name is Jesus.
But He doesn't just make keys.
He is the Merovingian too. Only He is Good.
But still curious, in the natural world, if anyone knows who the Keymaker and Merovingians are?
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blowback
McCain should be considering the blowback aspect since, down the road-- if he's successful, offended Ron Paul supporters will admire him less.
McCain and Huckabee are just GOP "diversions"
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McCain and Huckabee Are Just GOP Diversions
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Posted January 11th, 2008 by EileenMac
Register Republican To Vote in your State's Primary!
McCain and Huckabee are just GOP "diversions" to make it LOOK like there is a real race going on in the GOP. Why do you think Romney, Giuliani, and, yes, even Thompson, were so nonchalant and blase' about Iowa, New Hampshire, and even South Carolina??
For the GOP, the Presidential Primary process does not really start until Tsunami Tuesday on February 5th. All debates and primaries prior to that are just "practice" and "test runs" for Giuliani, Romney and Thompson. The REAL primaries are those where the winners gain most of the delegates, which is all that matters at the GOP Convention in September. And, unbeknown to most Republican-leaning Americans and independents, these primaries are CLOSED to all but those who registered Republican on or before the deadline.
In independent New Hampshire, you could walk into the polling place, up to the last minute, and make your decision as to which party's primary you wanted to vote in. However, in a "closed" primary, independent voters, those who did not register in the Republican Party by the deadline, will not be given a Republican ballot. And the deadlines for registration are weeks, or even months, before the primary date.
Many of these deadlines are done and gone, and some, like California, are coming up soon. For instance, California's deadline, with the largest number of delegates, is January 21. However, this is the first time the California Republican Presidential Primary has been a "closed" primary, and most Californians are not even aware of the new "rules". (The Dems opted to keep their Primary "open", and the Regular Primary for both parties in June is still "open".)
This decision was made over a year ago, before Ron Paul was even on the radar, specifically to exclude independents like McCain, who relied in the past on the independent voters who declined to state a party. After 2004, the CA GOP lost many, many voters who, although conservative and Republican-leaning, could no longer tolerate Bush and the neocons. (I am one of those who "left" the Republican Party in 2004.)
In addition, in California (and I suspect in other states) these "new rules" were deliberately not advertised, written about, or made public. And, in California, the strategy has worked. In fact, the only press that this issue has received has done more to encourage voters to become "declined to state", than to register Republican.
This is why Giuliani and Romney are NOT worried about McCain, Ron Paul, or Huckabee in Florida, California, New York, or most of the other 22 Tsunami states. They KNOW that, come February 5th, those independents and those who are from other parties, will NOT be able to vote in the Republican Primary, thus eliminating votes for McCain, Ron Paul, and Huckabee.
I believe the establishment GOP, allowed, and even encouraged, Huckabee's "win" in Iowa, and front-runner status in New Hampshire. Pastor Huck gathered the alienated Christian Right into the GOP sheepfold, and, when he is eliminated in the more "secular" states, he will instruct his sheep to transfer their allegience to the selected GOP candidate.
McCain, whose so-called "comeback" was gained by the support of the all important independents who declined to state a party, will be shut out of the closed primaries on Feb 5th. Thompson, who was always a "reluctant" candidate because he supported his good friend McCain. He was never intended to get the nomination, but will make a great Vice President on a Romney or Giuliani ticket, and therefore will get McCain's support at the Convention and in the General Election.
The 2008 Presidential Election is a chess match, not a game of checkers, and the GOP establishment is NOT in disarray as some of the pundits think. They put this KarlRovian strategy into play two years ago when California first moved its Presidential Primary to February.
So, how does this affect Ron Paul? I honestly do not know! And, at this point, until February 5th, we will not know how successful the campaign and the Meetup groups have been in getting those independents registered as Republicans, and getting Dems, Greens, etc switched to Republican to vote for Ron Paul. We can only hope and pray that Ron Paul and his strategists are as smart as we think they are.
Please post this on Ron Paul Forums....
I wanted to write something like this for a long time but never got to it....I wanted to stress Romney and Guiliani as the choice of the establishment.....with California and Florida being won respectively....where Ron came in was unclear to me aswell b/c the establishment is worried.....personally the difference for Ron would be us the grass root and how many we convert before the deadline.....
PLEASE POST THIS IN RON PAUL FORUMS
thanks again
they were dropping the
they were dropping the volume on his ear piece too.
I noticed that too.
I've seen Ron speak on TV and at public forums many many times. The only times I have seen him not be able to hear is on Fox.
I have a technical question. When they do those debates do they use ear pieces or just a speaker system?
It would be easy to play the full volume audio over the TV while regulating what Ron would hear. If they use ear pieces it would be cool if somone could put a recording device in line to record what goes through the ear piece. That way you could catch them in the act.
Stock Dump
My wife and I had our annual meeting in Houston yesterday with our financial guy, and I signed the forms to dump all holdings in News Corp (NWS). I don't know how much good that will do, but so help me God I will never support that company again.
And I'm writing letters to their advertisers, letting them know that the stink rubs off on them, too.
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"Viva la Ron!"
Remember Presidents day is
Remember Presidents day is dump MySpace day too.
Why dump MySpace? What did I miss?
help
Because it is
now owned by Fox's parent company.
Murdoch's News Corp owns
Murdoch's News Corp owns MySpace.
WSJ
I think Murdoch/Newscorp. will close on their purchase of the WSJ soon. I need call an make sure my subsription does not renew. Unfortunately I renewed in Oct. and I don't think I get my money back.
Finallly got around to stoping Neil Cavuto's show from recording on my Tivo thing.
In addition to boycotting sponsors, we need to get a list of products to buy in lieu of Fox sponsors.
WSJ
I think Murdoch/Newscorp. will close on their purchase of the WSJ soon. I need call an make sure my subsription does not renew. Unfortunately I renewed in Oct. and I don't think I get my money back.
Finallly got around to stoping Neil Cavuto's show from recording on my Tivo thing.
In addition to boycotting sponsors, we need to get a list of products to buy in lieu of Fox sponsors.
Awesome
Screw'em!
America: Freedom to Fascism
I think the best tool we have when we go door-to-door is the DVD
"America: Freeedom to Fascism" it speaks for it's self. We should ask them to see the video before they make a decison. People need to see things in black and white before they believe it.
I don't see why with all the resources we have, and all our people all over the country that we can't crank out at least 1 million copies of this video. Imagine how CRAZY the establishment would be when they are exposed and people start to wake up. This should be a priority since Super Tuesday is coming up fast. We don't have much time.
I agree everyone should watch this,
But it is 1 hr 51 min long, and most folks wouldn't watch it. Maybe find a shorter one?
"Fiat Empire" -- Just under
"Fiat Empire" -- Just under an hour, features Ron Paul. It is excellent.
Another one to add to that list is...
one called "The War On Democracy." It's available on Google Video for free too. Take a guess who is conducting this war... I'll give you a hint: "blow back."
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"It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." William Randolph Inge
FAUX News in in Quicksand and Sinking Fast!
I come from a long line of military personnel. Ten years ago when Fox first appeared in the Cable News business, we thought we had found ourselves a truly American, conservative news station.
Fox was practically all we watched. Hmn. Those were the days.
Not anymore. For the past three or four years Fox began to change their reporting, becoming far less conservative -- much, much more Tabloid in nature. At first, only occasionally -- then, these past two years -- almost non-stop.
Tabloid, Sensational news and Fluff, soft-porn pieces seem to be Fox's gig these days.
Did they really think the original conservatives that were with them in the beginning hadn't noticed? Apparently, they believe their own fictions.
Just like the neo-cons have been trying to hijack the Reagan Republicans and convince them that International Interventions and Imperialism by the United States is a Conservative thing to do --- the Pundits at Fox pretend their liberal ideas including Soft Porn to sell everything from erectile dysfunction to endless prescriptive drugs for anything and everything that ails you, is okay with conservatives.
Their incredible arrogance with which they dismissed Ron Paul and mocked him, is akin to what they have done to their original conservative base.
They could care less that their base has left them (at least the thinking ones have). We were only needed monetarily to Launch them.
But just like George W. Bush, once they were launched, they soon forgot who "brung them to the dance."
So now we have an Election year. Oh, OOPS, Faux News needs their original supporters to launch their Faux Conservative candidate.
So what is there tactic? They sideline the only true Conservative and Constitutionalist and try to make him out to be a loony of some kind.
In so doing, they have only further alienated their original viewers, who have not changed from their original conservative selves.
All they have done is bared their behinds and showed us who they really are (as if we didn't know already).
If only they had not used Brit "Duh" Humes and Chris "nasal-twang" Wallace as the interviewers at the Debate, we would not be dissing them today.
Wendall Holmes was the only professional in the group. The other lanky guy with the big ears was only missing his beanie cap with propellar.
Maybe Rupert Murdoch could fall on his sword and hire a whole new bunch, as this group will probably be holding arm-farting contests out on the playground later today.
We can only Hope that MSNBC and CNN will not follow their bad example.
"arm-farting contests........" Love it.
I fell out on that one. Great perspective!!
I had the feeling last night like we were in high school and the dumb, wanna-be tough guys were trying to make fun of and laugh at the smart guy in the class. They could not debate him because they did not understand what he was discussing AND because he was right!
I spoke to two friends today that are still in the Fox Matrix, and they noticed how juvenile and threatened the other candidates were acting. THEY brought it up.
I thought the same thing!
I kept thinking "are these guys in junior high school?" They were literally acting like stupid, childish school-boys. It was obvious that they could not talk about anything of substance. And then I thought, "People actually support these creeps and think this is okay? They like for their choice of candidate to act like a buffoon and make meaningless, nonsensical diatribes?"
I liked that Dr. Paul was more aggressive than he has previously been in the debates. He is way, way smarter than any of the other dupes running for the nomination. The more he talks, the stupider they look! It could also be said that the more they talk, the stupider they look!!
Enjoyed your commentary!
I was also a Faux News fan years ago and witnessed their descent to the slime pit they have become.
I used to think that Britt Hume was probably a decent person at heart, but no more! It was Britt Hume who had the "senior moment" and didn't know what Ron Paul was responding to----not Ron! Dr. Paul was RIGHT ON---as usual!
Thank you, I usually try to be "fair and balanced" but. .
they asked for it.
They were completely disrespectful to Doctor Paul.
Totally Uncalled for.
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Considering you were at the debate...
Most of us are probably more interested in the crowds reaction. Did everyone digest the information? Were people talking about him afterwards?
I have never witnessed anyone in American political history be so honest or so blunt. I have followed this campaign since March and I was still shaken by what he was saying. It was truly sobering to watch a man stand on stage in front of the world and tell the unadulterated truth! Not to mention his sheer honesty exposed everyone else on that stage for what they really are; lying, fear-mongering, power hungry, fakes.
I want to know how the crowd handled it. I want to know what they thought. I want to know how many people were converted. I could care less about Fox's bias.
I want to know if the truth is going to prevail.
Honestly, the crowd
gave me the feeling that they were buying Fox's lies hook, line & sinker. The majority of the people were laughing and giving the exact reaction that Fox wanted to elicit. Most of them were rednecks, rockin' mullets and waving Huckabee stickers. Welcome to SC..
Wouldn't it be funny
If at the next debate as the mediator calls his name ...before he can even ask a question ...if Paul were to jokingly say "Do I think I'm electable?"
Sorry, couln't help it... Corny, I know. I guess it's one way to "try" to get at him. Plus some people are actually convinced that he isn't if they hear it enuff> sad but proven fact.
Quote from Ghandi (paraphrased)
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then you win." I understand the outrage. When you understand the process of any true social reform, then you just continue doing your work and realize that the movement is making tremendous headway because you are no longer being ignored. Now Dr. Paul is being ridiculed. But now we've got got more people's attention. This is MAJOR progress. Take heart and continue!
You are Right!
My 75 year old father has been telling me that I'm wasting my time and my vote - "The TV never even mentions him!" I keep trying to explain what is going on to my dad but can't quite get through to him - - and even he told me FOX should be ashamed at the way they treated him and that it seemed like they were obviously out to get him. I think he's coming around!
albert howard has filed for a gop recount in nh
Both the democratic and republican primaries in that state are being recounted. Dennis Kucinich is calling for the Democratic recount and Albert Howard is calling for the GOP recount. This should put to rest, or show proof of vote tampering. Even if there is no change in the count, the comfort in knowing the election is fair should be worth the money.
here is an article http://blog.mlive.com/ann...
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updates are now posted on the granny site
the papers have been filed, the recount in NH is on.
Hmm...
Everyone who hasn't seen this yet should. Hacking Democracy. Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
The recount is worthless if they pick the samples. When they got the recount in Ohio (I think it was Ohio) the ballots were presorted by the election comittee. I'm not sure how it will be done in NH... just something to be aware of.
I just read these post and it brought tears to my eyes!
Ron Paul for President!!!
I am so proud to be associated with great men and women that are on this board!
I read each and everyone of your post and it made me proud to be an American!
We need to make Boycott Fox's sponsor's!
In fact I don't know how to do it so can someone start a site that says boycott Fox's sponsor's.com
Then make bumper stickers that say boycott Fox's sponsor's .com
So when someone goes to that site they see who fox has sponsoring them!
I am telling this will cause a stir that will be heard around the Country!
They people who hate Fox will flock to Dr. Paul!
Please quickly someone get a Domain name and start that site so we can start making bumper stickers and putting them on our cars!
Long after the election this needs to be put in place!
There is a list of FAUX sponsors somewhere - buried in these fil
so many excellent posts are lost in a matter of moments and hard to find again - with hundreds of posts each day and hour...
Your posts are inspiring!
January 03,2008.
"A people can move through the ages, and not disrupt time. A single man can take this movement of people and change history" Saul4Paul on Ron Paul, the coming civil war.
kucinich calls for recound
we will have a recount in NH kucinich has called for one.
Kucinich is a Democrat. I
Kucinich is a Democrat. I don't know that the recount will apply to both sides since this was two separate primaries.
Is it true that Faux removed
Ron Paul's good answer about electibility?