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Been doing all of the above. However, we do have limited resources, but make up for it in determination and time spent.

In Christ,
Dave

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I mentioned this earlier and will mention it again, for those who haven't seen comments all the way at the bottom, and to agree with those who are saying the same things:

Christian Leaders. That is the answer. Get the Christian leaders that we are all connected with listening to us. We need to bombard THEM with emails. Get them on board, the rest is down hill! THIS WILL WORK!!!!

Christian NEWS OUTLETS need to be bombarded with emails and phone calls urging them to report more on Ron Paul as well.

more :-)

You said, "The plan I'm thinking of is how RP church going Christians can FINALLY get the TRUTH into throngs of churches across America."

On Sunday mornings take a handful of slim jims and put them on the car windshields in church parking lots. Take out ads in local newspapers or penny savers about Ron Paul's Pro-Life stand, about RP keeping the government out of church business, no taxes on tithes.

I'm a born again Christian, independent fundamentalist, KJV 1611 - get the point? I'm a precinct captain, with a local meetup, put out signs, flyers, went into churches to share Ron Paul's message. Don't assume Christians automatically support Huck. Many Christians supported Bush. Ask them, did you support President Bush? Do you like RealID? RFID tracking in passports and driver's licenses? Do you like the merging of Canada, Mexico and America? Are you aware these have been brought in through Pres. Bush? Didn't Pres. Bush say he was a born again Christian? Ron Paul has a voting record - so does Huck - check them out and I hope you'll see why I'm voting for Ron Paul and I hope you will too.

If we stay the course, This law is just around the corner.

http://www.govtrack.us/co...

SEC. 111. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) Registration Required- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.

Hold them to their oath:
President
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

few more times

worth another go!

Go to that site.

www.PrayforPaul.com

The problem is that you are referring to a small segment of Christians who by and large are involved in a personality of cult. The Huckabee/Huckster connection with Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee should be all too obvious for even the not so discerning Christian but this particular "strain" of Christianity is pretty much "feet in concrete" when it comes to their golden calves/personalities.

Your time is better spent with Christians who have not abandoned their faith to mere men like Huckabee but cling to Christ. The truth shall set them free.

Continue to be peaceable, kind, and loving to those who oppose Ron Paul, let your talk be verified by your walk.

Huckabee/Copeland - Hucksterism invades the church of Jesus Christ.

I was thinking about this before going to bed last night. What I came up with is that perhaps the best way of converting Christians is to show them in their scriptures how Gov. Huckabee's views stand in stark contrast to the Christian just war theory. There's been a lot of discussion on this topic since well before Jesus' mortal ministry. I'll see what I can put together to make a good argument.

keep it simple.

18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good.

Ecclesiastes 9:18

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This must be driven home. This war mongering mentality that many conservatives have taken up, is not only unbiblical, its sinful. No man can preach the merits and love of Christ, the very core of what CHRISTianity is, and uphold an idea of preemptive war, secret prisons, unjust laws, etc.

Its that simple. Make a strong foundation from which to start a discussion. This is not an argument. So, take the foundation of Christianity and its core principles.

Beyond that, even when faced with adversity, as Christians, we should maintain composure. We should trust in the Lord that he will deliver us from our enemies. This idea that we need to hunt down our "potential" enemies is ridiculous. It shows a lack of faith, a lack of trust, a clear disregard for the LAW of Love, and the bible is very clear about what happens to those who pick up the "sword."

Take these 2 passages. I don't think its anymore clear than this.

Matthew 26:52

Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

Revelation 13:10

If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints..

Hope this helps, feel free to ask me for any help.

This question of how to get it through to Christians that Ron Paul is their man has been on my heart since we discovered him. I was thinking, "What is wrong with these people?" I always try to be positive, but it seems to me that recognizing the leadership of Dr. Paul will be a "road less traveled" challenge for most Christians. Sorry to say, so many follow the broad, easy path instead of the narrow way; they want their ears tickled, instead of hearing the common sense truth. For me, I do my best to "evangelize" those I know (at a very high success rate, I might add) and pray.

Another source for facts on candidates:

www.factcheck.org

I mentioned this earlier and will mention it again, for those who haven't seen comments all the way at the bottom, and to agree with those who are saying the same things:

Christian Leaders. That is the answer. Get the Christian leaders that we are all connected with listening to us. We need to bombard THEM with emails. Get them on board, the rest is down hill! THIS WILL WORK!!!!

Love Liberty Disco
Love Liberty Disco

I am a believer in Jesus, a self-proclaimed Christian, but not the biggest fan of today's organized religion.

Frankly, I am sickened by Huckabee's abuse of MY beliefs to basically tell the Christian voters (figuratively), "If you don't vote for me, you are not making the Christian vote."

It's propaganda and a sad display of abuse. You can vote for ANYONE and still be a Christian (well, except maybe Hillary (JUST KIDDING!)).

It's sad that many Christians cannot think for themselves. Instead, they follow the church too blindly, not their personal convictions.

Besides, the separation of church and state is what keeps our government from making excuses for limiting liberties they don't agree with, which is the reason I am a libertarian.

Sure, the nation was founded by a lot of Christians, but it was not founded on Christianity. It was founded on a belief in a supreme God, but the supreme God gave us THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER WE MAY; hence the term "God-given rights". Whether or not one believes in God is missing the point, the point is that we have free-will and no one has the right to take it from us or limit it.

Even the Bible says that the laws of God are higher than the laws of man; precisely why we should give all the credit of man-made laws to man. Even the Bible makes the distinction between the two types of laws, why can't Mike??

It's sad that Huckabee doesn't get that yet.

Facism; I can smell it's sulfurous fumes beginning to burn below the hand-basket that holds America, and it's matchstick over kerosene is the Huckster. It appears that we can't count on Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick fascism out of America, that's why the only prescription is a healthy dose of the good Doc Paul!!

I forget where this verse is (Timothy or Peter??). But it refers to making sure your house is in order, making sure any problems there are fixed - otherwise you will not be able to help others whose houses are not in order!

This is Christian foreign policy!!!! We are spending Trillions to fix other countries where we are going broke and bankrupt here and the hospital system stinks, the borders aren't secure, etc

Can anyone get their Pastor's on board with the idea of a "Candidate Workshop" of sorts. You see the deal here is that Huckabee is really NOT a saved man. And I say that boldly from what I have observed not only his actions but his rhetoric as well.

His statement last night..."HUCKABEE WARNS IRAN: BE PREPARED TO SEE GATES OF HELL" I mean what an IDIOT! What Christian man says this??

The idea is to expose Huckabee for what he is. The simply let people READ Ron Paul's statement of Faith.

Thoughts?

In Christ,
Dave

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I've come to believe that many of my fellow Christians choose a candidate based on a half a dozen, 30 second sound bites, and not make choices Biblically. When I deal with my fellow Christians, I point out what God expects of a leader. In 2 Chronicles 9:8-9, the Queen of Sheba tells King Solomon that God placed him on the throne to do "justice and righteousness."

Justice is extremely important to God. A false balance, as well as differing weights and measures, are an abomination. Justice is not to be perverted. National Leaders bring stability to nations by the exercise of true justice (Proverbs 29:4) Though justice is broad, the term searched will yield a lengthy study.

With the concept of justice in mind, Christian supporters of Huckabee need to inquire about the gross miscarriage of justice he did with all the pardons of convicted felons during his term. One cannot out-pardon all 6 of the governors of neighboring states combined without causing massive injustice. The case of Wayne Dumond is just the tip of the iceberg and is not an isolated case. There are multiple murders, rapists, and armed felons who have received this same clemency from Huckabee, then committed more crimes upon release from prison. According to the Arkansas Newspapers, State Prosecutors have been very upset with him.

Furthermore, I believe Huckabee supports the many unconstitutional pieces of legislation that have occurred since our current so-called Christian President has signed into law. (See the books by Judge Andrew Napolitano for a clearer understanding.) These include the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, The REAL ID Act, and numerous Executive Orders. He's also in favor of continuing the detaining of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who currently have no right to due process, a violation of Deuteronomy 1:16.

In my view, Huckabee does not qualify for office biblically. His record on justice is highly questionable and there is no guarantee that he will do differently. By contrast, Ron Paul's voting record reveals he will do justice and righteousness, just as the Bible demands. The choice for Christians is clear.

For all Christians, but especially those who reverence God's law, we should be reminding ourselves and others what the scriptural criteria is for elected officials.

The Bible says to select “able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness” and who will not “take a bribe.” Based on the facts below and many others, Ron Paul meets these qualifications better than any other candidate for President.
1. Ron Paul is an able man. He is a 10-term congressman from Texas. He introduces among the most substantive legislation of all congressman. He presently serves on the House Committee on Financial Services and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, two of the most important areas of expertise needed for our circumstances.
2. Ron Paul fears God. Although Ron Paul is more private about his faith in Christ than some other politicians today, he shows his fear of God in many ways.
o His respect and adherence for the rule of law is a sign of his fear of God. Ron Paul seeks to be faithful to the constitutional authority proscribed to him as President.
o Ron Paul wants to return freedoms, rights, and accompanying responsibilities back to where they should properly be, on the individuals and families of America. Any other position is inconsistent with biblical roles of government.
o Ron Paul properly puts utmost importance on the national debt and monetary policy. The Bible says that the borrower is slave to the lender. If you or I tried to run our families the way the government does, we would be bankrupt. Yet, our government continues to spend money we don’t have by borrowing and printing more money with no end in sight. Only Ron Paul has an immediate plan to start reducing expenses. By executive order, he could bring America’s troops home from locations all over the world. This would begin to cut our spending, cut our deficits, and help us better protect our own country and borders rather than those of other countries.
3. Ron Paul is a man of honesty, integrity, and principle. He votes and introduces legislation consistent with his campaign promises. Therefore, I can trust what he will do and stand for as President.
o Dr. Paul paid for the college educations of his five children instead of seeking government loans.
o As a congressman, he has been faithful to the principles of the Constitution and what is right. He does not spend our collective money on things that are not authorized by the Constitution or that just don’t make sense, including giving billions of dollars in foreign aid when we are over nine trillion dollars in debt.
4. Ron Paul hates covetousness and bribes. Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate whose record clearly indicates a willingness to stand up against the bribe-based, special-interest system that we have in American politics today.
o He does not participate in the lucrative Congressional pension program because he does not think it is fair to taxpayers.
o He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

It has been greatly appreciated.

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Ron Paul talks bout Fascism in America...so does this song...

American Babylon lyrics

A thousand bloody hand prints stain the walls of liberty,
A stranger hides in dreams denied, awaiting his release.
I've seen this picture before.
I never though that we would end up here,
When fascism comes as an angel of light
Its license parading as tyranny drives forth its son.
The son of morning dominating fears, afflicting fallen men.
His body highly organized; its coming into prominence
To bear its ominous warnings.
Its in your blood to comprehend its origin,
For those who refuse to remember the past are condemned to
Repeat it,
The first and the last, dust to dust...
History is his story
And life is laughing at its peril.
Building towers that come forth in men,
Shifting powers consuming us within,
They will puzzle the apostles till the end.
Enter into the silence, into the dying life of America,
The brave, the slave, the grave.
The shattered pigs dying as primitive savages,
Eating their flesh, they lie rotting in dirt,
While a stranger among you has challenged the course
Of inhuman existence and alien forces.
The birth of the black prince is setting the stage
In its thriving dissension, exalting his rank,
And the innocent man will fall victim to hands
In the trial of the truth
And its twisted reversal.
The union of factions bleeds shock to the system,
For civilization has ended today.
The transitional nature of acts and society climbs in its place
While its face re-creates and until your god is dead.
Enlighten me with your pale statues, face of inhibition,
And until your reign has ended, frighten me with your
Stale-taste-tongue of inquisition.
In your eyes I will come forth in men lines with no justice,
No order to defend, and the stone will be cast again...
Enter into the fire, into the bloody gates of America,
The great, the fate, the late.

"I am a man of peace; but when I speak, they are for war"

One has to recognize that big government in any capacity is counter to religious freedom no matter what religion.

I am a deacon, and churches split over tax code. Honest men are painted in disparaging light because of the fanagling of funds through the church. It doesn't have to be this way.

Many people in my church are pro Ron Paul, especially the military guys who have been back and forth to Iraq. Their opinion is a persusive one.

Some of them, though, can't understand the stance that the federal gov't should not write legislation on drugs and prostitution. Our country might burn for this kind of toleration.

I always tell them that they have to make sure drugs and prostitution don't take over our "land," which is our city and neighborhoods.

They generally think the US is our "land." Even though it is extremely large as far as pure territory goes. But, since Sodom and Gomorrah had bad laws for their "land." (Which was about as big as my neighborhood in Mississippi) Big government conservatives (Neocons) armlock Christians into submission, by demagoguing.

They have got to understand that big government is the problem, so when a politician talks about what he is going to "do," Beware!

Says that Huck's campaign admitted he doesn't have a theology degree, the theology degree that he has said on at least three occasions that he has.

I told a Christian coworker about that and some of his ethics problems and she seemed receptive to the info, although she wasn't already familiar with him, so I wasn't having to "un-convince" her about him.

Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

This is a secular decision and it requires a secular conversion.
All the people I've talked to about Paul have been Christians. I've found the best way to get people interested in Paul is to let them see him talk, sit down and play them a video or two and then discuss it a little bit. (Emphasis on _a little bit_.) Just get people interested. They will generally do the rest. I've converted mostly Romney supporters. Big surprise, I know; but it's the same principle. Tell them that monetary policy is the defining issue of this election and tell them why. Then tell them there's only one candidate talking about it. This was what turns people off to every other candidate; and obviously it worked for me.
Spiritual conversion (which I happen to have seen plenty of as a full-time missionary for the Church) I feel is the wrong way to go in this specific case. Instead, I allow people to be fully won over themselves on Paul's positions' logical merits. So no, I don't believe there's any one really good way to convince Christians that they shouldn't stand up for a guy that they somehow feel a spiritual connection with by saying that 'our guy is the real Christian' or whatever similar route.

I am not sure if chistians in USA have respect for pope,
but if they have...
http://www.cathnews.com/n...

Christian CAN NOT be pro war!
And Huckaboom is pro - right?
So?
He goes to hell :-)

(google John Paul II against war)