Michigan Results

Here's my MI4RonPaul primary results map, now open for collaboration:
http://maps.google.com/ma...

I've included results by county (red = best, orange = average, yellow = worst...parsed, as usual, from MSNBC), plus the locations of the Meetups and the four offices mentioned in this thread here. (Did the Grand Rapids office ever open? It's not mentioned on the MI RP website.)

We did best in Hillsdale County! We still only came in fourth overall in Hillsdale, but there, it was with 17%, right behind numbers 1-3. Ron Paul also got 13% in Lapeer. What was different there? Effort put in, or demographics? I did read that there's a very interesting college there that teaches the Constitution and doesn't accept Fed money.

What else? Where did ads play? Where was canvassing done? Inquiring minds want to know.

at watching for cheating than our own government's voting system. I'm in NY and thank God we don't have machine voting.

I would be really pissed.

Ron Paul has a major opportunity in Nevada

www.wakeuplate.com

people at work were wishing they voted for Ron Paul. They are starting to realize our govt. is not for the people.

Why in the world are ANY of you using anything but an absentee ballot? Why wait until the last minute, and subject your vote to a faulty machine?

Diebold Machine Rejects Ron Paul Votes In Michigan

Ron Paul War Room
Wednesday January 16, 2008

From Ron Paul Supporter Michigan below

Voter #1 Genoa Township, Michigan Precinct 3. Voting problems?
Posted January 15th, 2008 by LettenYouKnow
First observation…
-Diebold

I was the first voter, I circled in Ron Paul and put my ballot into the machine. Spit it right back out and said INVALID BALLOT.

Second guy gives it a shot. INVALID BALLOT.

I begin arguing with the lady running the precinct about computer voting and people voting. This lady actually says in a room full of people that Computers are better at counting ballots than people, cause people make mistakes. who makes computers?

So to finish it up, she calls the township. she says I can keep my ballot in a secret compartment and they will put it through later once its fixed.

So they call her back. She gets off the phone. She says the manufacturer says there is a problem with a memory card. Someone from the manufacturer will be there with a new memory card soon.

It doesn’t help that I just watched a darn documentary about DIEBOLD and MEMORY CARDS.

I immediately left and drive to the township office to voice my complaints. They must still be sleeping.

This is a response to the post titled: "Attention Ron Paul Supporters."

Thank you for the great post! Way to many people are getting side-tracked and blaming everybody except the voters. Truth is, our main enemy is the ignorance and apathy of they typical voter. If we don't focus on this, we aren't going to get anywhere fast.

There are some pansies in among the grassroots! Get some inspiration from the youth!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Fabulous video! Fabulous song!

For the UAW - votes against NAFTA and is FOR maintaining our national sovereignty - no merge with Mexico and Canada!

For the senior citizens - votes to maintain the Social Security Fund instead of STEALING money from it for other government purposes. We don't need to mention he would like to offer alternatives to young folks. He fights to bring the cost of prescription drugs and medical care down.

For Pro-Life - Overturn Roe vs Wade

For Pro-Choice - Overturn Roe vs Wade but put control back in the hands of the states to decide. Ask them if they know Roe vs Wade legalizes abortion in the 3rd trimester.

Veterans / military - Ron Paul's stand -- we need to support the needs of our veterans better - health / financial. For a strong Military. He wants to protect OUR borders.

Educators - Overturn NCLB -- No Child Left Behind. This has been a sore spot for teachers and local districts nation wide. It is a mandate without funding, partly a cause for many school districts going broke across our country. When Ron Paul says get rid of the Department of Education --people's first reaction is --- oh - he must not care about education. Instead he needs to say "get rid of NCLB" and let the teachers / schools and parents decide how best to educate the students. Use the money we spend on NCLB to pay teachers better and fund schools.

Well...this is just a start -- I'm sure I will think of more. :)

Keep spreading the message.

Mom / Wife / Teacher / Christian for Ron Paul

Total Vote Count -- Combined IA, NH, and MI Results
Posted by Nick Bradley at January 16, 2008 08:08 AM

Here are the combined vote totals for IA, NH, and MI:

Romney - 443,139 Total Votes – 36.89%
McCain - 361,546 Total Votes – 30.10%
Huckabee - 207,308 Total Votes – 17.26%
Paul - 84,554 Total Votes – 7.04%
Giuliani - 50,925 Total Votes – 4.24%
Thompson - 49,198 Total Votes - 4.10%
Hunter - 4,567 Total Votes - 0.38%

Paul is in a solid fourth, increased his percentage lead over Giuliani by 300% in Michigan, and should stay in fourth through SC and NV, where Thompson and Giuliani will close the gap in each state. In other news, the latest CNN/Politico/LA Times California poll has Paul at 8%, with no candidate garnering more than 20% in the poll. The poll had a huge margin of error (6%), which makes Paul and four other candidates technically tied in the Golden State.

Attention Ron Paul supporters,

Stop whining. It gets you nowhere.

We are not really doing that badly in this campaign. We’re doing much better than Ron Paul ever suspected to do. We have a lot of things working against us, so the 6-10% we’re getting is very respectable. Let’s look at the cards stacked against this campaign:

· The New Republican Party – The neo-cons stick together. Look at how the republican party in general has stuck behind Bush even when he’s a war-mongering, spend-happy liberty-destroyer. If you listen to talk radio, you know what I’m talking about. A few bold republicans have vilified Bush for his non-conservative actions while in office, but most have not.

· Apathy and ignorance – Let’s face it. Most people have no idea that the Federal Reserve isn’t a department of our Federal government. They have no idea that our leaders have turned our country, it’s wealth, and our past and future efforts as U.S. citizins to international banking interests. We have to educate them, and that’s not going to happen overnight. It’s been like this for over 100 years, and no one has done anything about it until now. At least average Americans are talking about monetary policy now… thanks to Ron Paul. The ideological platform that Ron Paul espouses fixes many basic problems we have with this country, but I’m afraid that the sheeple won’t do anything to fix it… at least not until things get much worse. No matter who we have in office this next term… demo or repub… things will get worse, you can count on it. (Unless Paul manages to pull it out somehow, of course.) Americans are still fat, dumb and happy for now. But as the dollar continues to tank, and gas prices continue to rise, and Americans continue to die overseas… that will change. As apathy turns to anger, Ron Paul’s support will rise.

· The “horse race” mentality of the American public – I was talking with a good friend of mine the other day, and when I said that the only man worth voting for was Ron Paul, he said, “Yeah, but he doesn’t have a chance to win. I wasted my vote on Harry Brown, and I’m not doing that again.” My response was, “Did you vote for the guy you thought would do the best job leading our nation at the time?” and he said yes, he thought so. So I told him, “Then your vote didn’t get wasted.” So many Americans feel they have to vote for “the lesser of 2 evils”, or to vote for someone who “has a chance to win”. It’s not a horse race. That is no way to decide who you support. But people choose to have this mentality. I used to be the same way, always voting for the republican nominee even if I didn’t like them that much… just so the democrats wouldn’t get in office. Well, now the two parties are both the same… big government, globalist, war-mongerers. So, the only way to vote is for Paul, whether he has a chance or not. No one else will change things. People have to get out of this “vote for the winner” mentality. Once again, I don’t think this will change until things get much worse in this country.

· The “Hollywood” mentality of stupid Americans – Some people look at the election as a beauty contest or a popularity poll. They vote for the one who is “so articulate” or for the one who is a “great orator” or for the one who used to be an actor. This is so stupid I don’t even want to discuss it.

· MSM and the lack of time/boots on the ground – Let’s face it, the Ron Paul movement gained serious momentum a little too late to make a huge difference in the early primaries. He’s done exceptionally well considering he is virtually ignored by the msm. (Well, they don’t ignore him entirely… sometimes they bring him up just so they can cut him down.) But to reach the people, we as Ron Paul supporters have to do it one-by-one. We can’t count on the msm like the neo-cons can. As long as Rupert Murdock owns television, we’re going to have to realize that the msm are always going to talk about Ron Paul as a “kook” or a “fringe” candidate. That’s fine. We just have to spread the word person-to-person. As things get worse in this country, this will be easier to do. As he gains supporters, he also gains more boots on the ground to spread the message even further. As his support grows, it will almost grow exponentially… as one person tells 2… who tell 2 or 3 more… and so on. This takes time and dedicated supporters. It will not happen overnight. As his support base grows, however, the rate of bringing on new supporters will increase. 3x3x3x3x3 over and over, only 16 times = 43,000,000 votes. But… if you look at it half-way through though this process, 3x3x3x3 over and over, only 8 times… it’s only 6,561 votes. That’s the power of geometric progression and exponential growth. If you look at it that way, only having 10% of the vote means we’re probably well more than half way to achieving our goal.

I haven’t tried to be discouraging in this post. We should be encouraged. 50,000 people in Michigan voted for the man who “has no chance”. The message is getting out. Even if we don’t win the nomination, a revolution has begun… and it’s growing by leaps and bounds. Just keep talking to people. Join the meetups and keep the energy going. We’ll get there. We just have to be patient. (The globalist war-mongers have been patient. They’ve been working on their agenda since the Woodrow Wilson administration. About 100 years. I think the message is worth the patient effort… don’t you?)

My 2 cents.

Bob Clay Going negative does not make sense with so many other candidates in the race. Attacking one just turns the voter to another RINO.

Instead Paul should be more positive in the way he presents our issues and tie it the individual voter's concerns. Instead of saying we need to avoid a financial collapse, say my program will allow our economy to expand and especially raise real wages for the middle class that have not gone up for 30 years.

Reagon won because he portrayed an optomistic view of America's future.

Is the number of people who voted for Ron Paul at each state increasing?

State Votes Donations * percent guess of votes? (Don/Per)
Iowa 11,817 683 5.8
NH 18,303 703 3.8
MI 54,434 2139 3.9
SC 882 3-5% 17640-29400
NV 1054 3-5% 21080-35133

South Carolina primary in 2000 almost 600K voted in the Rep race
I can't find stats on NV looks like they didn't have a 2000 pres primary

I see this as simple as it is a failure of the American Public ! We are in the dire situation we are in because the masses let it happen and now that it needs fixing it is clear that the general public can't see beyond their TV. It like people complaining about the paparazzi yet why do they have jobs ? People buy the rags period. Same thing with MSM it thrives because people support it. I have been working to convince people on a daily basis to vote for Ron Paul. Some are but those who won't cannot tell me why or why they support their candidate. It just blows my mind how someone can have convicted opinion on something then they can't give you one fact to support it

Front page of the fox news is very interesting. There is no picture of Ron Paul.

If they updated the page and you do not see the picture I can upload it somewhere so you will see it yourself.

chinaguy

Take heart, brothers and sisters. His showing in Michigan was as much as could be expected. When was the last time a Libertarian polled even at 1% in a national poll? But it is time to take off the gloves. As it becomes evident, despite manipulation of the gold, currency, and equities markets, that the major financial institutions in this country are insolvent, people will come around. What RP has to do, (and it's not an easy task), is to point out to ordinary people that the price of their homes is falling off a cliff for a reason. The Fed, to try and hide its stupidity, lowered rates to a ridiculous level much below the inflation rate. To top it off, the Wall St. bankster thugs packaged highly risky, and low grade mortgages, and sold them to others. Since lenders didn't have to worry about owning the mortgages, they sold one to anyone with a pulse. Naturally, housing prices went through the roof. Now they're crashing, taking the economy with them. What RP has to get accross, in no uncertain terms, is that THE FED AND THE WALL ST. CRIMINALS DID THIS TO YOU. Once that point has been made, it would be time to run TV ads listing the yearly Wall St. campaign contributions going to McCain, Clinton, Thompson and Obama, with the all-too-obvious implication that they are all working for the same people. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the parties when it comes to that. Trust me, the real bite of the depression, (and RP should use that very word), has yet to be felt, but when it does, his message will ring true. Have faith and be patient, and hope the campaign goes this route. Otherwise, RP can be made to look like a principled wimp, along the lines of John Anderson. If we can't break through in the primary, we will do so in the general election.

knock off the doom and gloom...from gambling 911:

Ron Paul the Second Biggest Winner in Michigan?

Mitt Romney won the Michigan primary handily. So who were the other winners in Michigan? Can you say Ron Paul?

His 6% was in many ways bigger than the 10% he received in Iowa. It's not just the percentage, but the vote count - well over 50,000 came out to support Ron Paul. Michigan is the 8th most populated state in the US.

But the real stunner was how Paul managed to receive double the number of votes Giuliani got.

Camp Giuliani will say they didn't campaign in Michigan. Ron Paul did little campaigning there either.

Worse still, Paul stomped over Fred Thompson, who Fox News claimed won last week's South Carolina Republican debate...

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Oh geez. Anyone who thought RP had a shot in hell of winning the republican nomination this year was crazy. The reason I have invested so much time and effort is the fact that Ron is right about what he is predicting i.e. recession, war, draft ect. Once these conditions exist, his candidacy as an independent will be viable. His name recognition will be where it needs to be from his run for the nomination. Don't you think he is saving the money we are sending him for a reason? Republicans can't win this year anyway. Accepting their nomination would be like tying yourself to a sinking ship. Paul has a national platform, plenty of money, and many impassioned supporters for his run in November. Imagine if he had to try to get this kind of support as an independent. It never could have happened. I am not surprised by the Michigan results. If Paul had won, I'd be worried that what I am fighting against wasn't even real. The more I see the media talk about Bloomberg and ignore Paul, the more I realize this nation's political process is about to see some unprecedented changes.
I went to the bar last night and converted at least 2 Obama people to Paul. Signs and internet posts are great for morale and communication but RP deserves and requires explaining. We have to go out and passionately talk to people about Paul. They will listen to you. They will not listen to a sign. It's a good day, if you see it that way.

Don't read too much into this Michigan loss. It was pretty obvious from the start that the national campaign wasn't going to make a play for Michigan (don't ask me why). Mid-stream we changed state campaign directors, and the young PR professional they hired for the job went missing (as they say in the British version of our native tongue). There was a valiant grass roots effort, but the work on the ground was never supported by the national campaign. We saw NO TV advertising, and only got a radio ad that criticized NAFTA. To top it all off, Dr. Paul never even visited the state. All that you can take from this is that exposure matters.

so, I got on Fox news first thing this morning and they showed Ron Paul in 4th place with 6.2 percent.. I got on just a little while ago and now they have Him in 5th place with 2 %??? Whats going on?

It hasn't aired yet...but Fred Thompson is on CNN....Why do they always skip over Ron Paul?

The results from Michigan (6%) certify the failure of the candidacy.

Ron Paul won 25 of 87 straw polls across the US and has broken two fundraising records. Mike Huckabee, who won two straw polls, is and has been out of money all the way. Yet Huckabee has been able to amplify his message, selling out his theocratic, holier-than-thou bible (Jefferson called 'em "Platonists"). Paul has not been able to sell the US Constitution. It is not for lack of eloquency, but there are a number of weaknesses that should be addressed later on.

It is clear by now that Huckabee and Thompson are going to endorse McCain, outnumbering Romney's delegates at the Convention, unless Giuliani's men are enough to endorse Romney and reverse the outcome. A win/win situation for the Welfare-Warfare State, there's no way to affect it. Same thing for the Democrat side of the aisle.

It is still worth supporting Ron Paul as a freedom cause, the boost has been huge and I will keep putting my time and money behind the Ron Paul movement, but I cannot longer pretend all is going well for the 2008 Election, it is not.

Would like to hear something from the guy who printed up the piece that we named "The Notice." It was to be posted on doors in Michigan and was a "wake-up" call to voters.

Please let us know how many were posted and if it produced good results.

There are a lot of positive ways to view coming in ahead of Giuliani and Thompson in Michigan, but it saddens me that so many of my fellow residents chose what they think is the safe and comfortable route in voting for three Business as Usual candidates, any one of whom will be annihilated by an even worse Business as Usual candidate from a socialist platform, either Obama or Clinton. Where does one invest his/her money now? When the inevitable collapse of our economy comes (none of the current delagate leaders will do anything meaningful to avert it), at which time every investment, safe or speculative, takes a catastrophic hit and the remaining money is worth pennies on the dollar because of the drunken printing spree of our Federal Reserve, what will we do then? Then it will be too late. It appears that we have not learned from history and are doomed to repeat it.