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Gold and Silver index???

I'm moving my investments around and want to buy gold and silver and my advisor suggested buying the gold and silver index. Basically I wouldn't have to take possession, but I would be paid in dollars on the net increase or decrease in the commodities. Is this a good or bad idea? It's $300 per transaction and I don't want to regret this later on.

Do I actually have to cash in on my investments and physically buy gold and silver and put it under my matress?

Sorry if I sound clueless, because I am!

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Are you kidding?

The silver bull is the easiest thing to ride on the planet. It's cheap cheap cheap. Ole Bessie it is, as long as you are taking delivery for the long term. If you foolishly play trading games on margin... well that's another story. The volatility will eat you up. If on the other hand you are into buying low and selling high? the choice is clear. I've tripled my money in 3 years by sitting on my hands. It will triple again soon. To maximize your profits, buy the dips, like right now at $15 -.$15.50 instead of last week at $16.25. Simple eh?
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Great advise here, time to get real

Take delivery, take delivery, take delivery! Silver has the potential for greatest upward price adjustment. Notice I do not say "appreciation" since that means an increase in value from purchase price.
Silver is "undervalued" because of artificial price suppression which steals from poor countries, historically 16:1 to gold just as it occurs in nature, means it should be trading around $50.00 an ounce right now.
Once you have your weight in silver then buy gold. ;-)
END THE FED!!!
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That's not conservative...

Silver is very volatile and will continue to be. Silver doesn't tend to do as well as gold in deflation because industry freezes up and less sliver is used which weighs on demand thus pushing supply up and prices down. I'm of the same opinion that we are going to experience inflation due to the fed trying to print us out of this and that silver will out perform gold but it will be harder to ride silver. Your suggestion simply is not conservative you should own a little of both not one or the other.

In deflation, gold will also get sold!

Here is a contrary view:
Ron Paul has spoken on converting the US debt to Zero Interest debt.
Deflationary debt spiral in process. gold and silver will also be creamed as the value of the dollar will soar.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

evolution2008

I get flamed anytime I argue your point.
manystrom posted a BRILLIANT thread 6 mos or so ago explaining why CASH would be the safest place to be in a deflationary cycle.(I can`t find the post,been awhile).

check out http://www.market-ticker....

sorry I don`t know how to post a link,but that is the best financial education anywhere IMO

Gold will hold its own in deflation due to trust worthiness

People don't trust debt in deflation. The dollar represents debt. Would your money be safer in a bank that has 100% of it's equity in sub-prime mortgages or in gold? Gold is money, dollars are paper.

Oh really?

Did gold go down during the depression or not? Did gold stocks go down during the depression or not?

Your best advice put your

money into Ron Paul. You not only get sound money but your Liberty.

If you are uncomfortable holding the gold,

I might suggest something like the Perth Mint certificates in Australia. (Yes, I know it's a paper promise, so please...). You will own actual gold, not an index and there is some question whether those ETF's actually own the gold they say they do. The Perth Mint is backed by government of Australia, a country that depends on mining and resource exports, so they are not likely to play an shenanigans.

Investing in gold mining stocks requires either alot of self-education or a specialty broker who follows the companies. There are a tremendous number of supposed gold companies that will never dig an ounce out of the ground, pure speculation and those stocks are getting hammered worse than GE or Monsanto.

On the other hand, actual gold producing companies directly profit from any increase in the price of gold, such as Goldcorp, Newmont, Goldfields and I think they make up the HUI. It's not such a bad idea for diversification versus trading individual stocks.

There is no easy advice for any of us right now. The dollar shot up today on the world markets by a huge amount and gold dropped. Prediction is difficult, though I'm still betting on inflation rather than deflation. If we get delfation instead, physical gold and to a lesser degree silver will outperform stocks (though both may go down).

Bear markets are about trying to preserve as much of our savings, not make money. The only people kicking back drinking mai tai's put their money into shorting homebuilders and banks a year or two ago. Now, if I had been that smart.....

If you want to get your

If you want to get your money out of dollars buy the physical metal. https://online.kitco.com/...

Gold Index (XAU) vs. Gold (GLD)

I disagree with the recommendation to own a gold index. These indexes are made up of gold stocks, not gold itself. Although they are correlated, they perform differently. Recently, basic gold bullion (under the symbol GLD) has been better performing and less volatile than the indices, either the Gold BUGS Index (HUI), or the Gold/Silver index (XAU).

To see the difference in performance, click here:

http://moneycentral.msn.c...

More commentary here: http://www.streetauthorit...

Others here have suggested that possessing physical gold is superior to an exchange traded gold fund with a broker in between you and your holdings. Although I do possess physical gold in limited quantities, 100% possession also has its risks.

I also disagree with the assessment of your advisor on the future of the stock market. If the Fed inflates the money supply dramatically the market will begin to rise. Prices for everything else, however, will rise faster (except housing, perhaps!). This is an inflationary scenario, and many expect this based on statements by the Fed and executive / legislative branches. Over time you may have the same amount of dollars in your brokerage account, but they won't buy nearly as much.

While I'm not advising that you do so, also note that you can hold foreign currencies in your brokerage accounts (such as FXE for Euros, or FXF for Swiss Francs), and now even agricultural commodities, symbol DBA. All of these will mitigate the risk of dollar collapse and market collapse in different ways, but the underlying risk of a broker failure or some other exchange rules changes, etc, are still there.

For more information, google videos with Peter Schiff or Jim Rogers.

Gold and Silver Investment

If you really want an easy and short but highly informative read check out 'The ABC's of Gold Investing' at your local bookstore. It covers everything you need to know, soup to nuts. I read this book and it was worth it's weight in gold! Good luck.

Your cost to buy gold and silver should not be a $ amount per transaction, it should be a percentage fee. Online sellers like Monex charge about 6% fee over the total cost of the metals. You can find local dealers that will sell at a 5-7% premium. The smaller the coins, eg 1/4 ounce or 1/10 ounce will demand a higher premium due to fabrication costs. They usually command a 7-10% premium.

My recommendation is to use The Google on the Internets that Al Gore invented and that Ron Paul now owns!

If you don't take physical delivery, then

you are still playing their game of "paper contracts". There could be many ways you and your money could part ways. Just consider a real economic meltdown. Not just a 500 drop in the DOW, but a real meltdown. The kind where phone calls, not only don't get returned, the service no longer works. The kind where politicians abscond abroad. The kind where the military roams the streets. Forget guarantees in this day and age. They too, are "paper contracts", only enforcable if capable, which they may not be. The broker simply goes insolvent, and your property may never be seen. Take delivery, and sleep well. If silver is too bulky, buy gold. $10,000 dollars of gold will fit nicely in the toe of a sock! Silver, a little less than a shoebox. Another little secret: once people start demanding delivery of silver and gold, get ready for a bull of a ride! Right now, the price is manipulated by futures contracts that trade far in excess of actual delivery capabilities. Visit a Ron Paul friend's website: The Silver Stock Report or search Jason Hommel.

Take your toys and go home

So true alaney! They want to constantly change the rules of the game to screw us over, we need to take enough of something of value such that we can keep our money and keep it out of the hands of thieves and keep the accountable to how much money they can print. That's basically the case for gold. Let's play the game the fare way!

ON HAND

HI, I am by no means any type of expert on these things, but am looking at silver very seriously because I simply don't have the funds to fool with gold. I have been watching it all fluctuate and it is going down some today.
My thoughts are in the long term. If something as serious as it can get in this country happens, paper money or investments that are on paper are going to be totally worthless. My intentions are to buy junk silver in the way of rounds or such and hide them very well from people that are trained to find these things but have it close enough on hand that I can get to it if I need it for something like bartering or trading, or maybe even to buy my way out of something. I don't trust too easily having my investments on paper somewhere that someone can tell me later on, Sorry about your luck, but it's not there any longer. Just my thoughts on it. Good luck.

The answer to this is simple. WWRPD

Thats right Ron Paul probably has a coffee cans buried in his yard filled with silver and gold.

Ron Paul invests in gold

Ron Paul invests in gold mines. Gold isn't an investment, because its value doesn't increase (the value of the dollar decreases).

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I put ALL my assets in

I put ALL my assets in silver bullion, took possession, almost tripled in 2 1/2 years. (-:
I would say put at least 25% in bullion and take possession. I think silver is a good buy up to $30 an oz.
Of course thats just one mans opinion.
Don't forget that the FEDS can get into your safety deposit box any time they want.

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Gold & Silver is still the smart investment...

You don't give enough info to let me know what your advisor is suggesting, but generally you'd be smart to stay away from any leveraged investments, such as futures or options. The gold and silver markets are and will continue to be volatile, and the down-swings will wipe out all but the most informed and savvy investors.
If he's recommending gold or silver ETF's, such as GLD and SLV, which are funds that purchase 100% of the real metal to back the fund, then it's a good investment. The long-term price trend is definitely UP, and these funds give you the same profit potential as if you owned the metal.
I'm sure lots of people on here will say that all funds are bogus, and you must buy the real thing and store it in your house, but that's ridiculous. It depends on each person's circumstances. If you've learned a lot about gold & silver coins and can make wise purchases, and have a safe place to store them, then this may be for you. But an uninformed investor is LESS likely to get fleeced by one of the major ETF's than he is buying gold coins. Also, depending upon where you buy and sell, the buyers permium and fees on coins can be high..., far higher than the fees on the ETF's. And the government could confiscate physical gold just as easily as the funds, so that's not a real issue.
And for many people who need to leave their money in a 401k, 457b, or other retirement fund, the ETF's may be the only option to put the money into precious metals.
With what's coming for the US economy, the dollar, and the stock market, the sooner people move their savings into gold and silver, the better. It's going to get ugly.....

NO ETF's

Only buy stuff you can hold onto in your hand. ETF's will crash just like the market.

Cash out and goto www.apmex.com and order Silver Eagles and Gold Eagles!!

Do the research...everything points to Holding it in your hand.!!

Paper Gold & Silver

Best by solid commodities and take them home. You will pay 28% capital gains tax on any paper that is not redemmed within 12 months.
Make the minimal transaction record as possible, the Zionist Government is comming to get you if you do not!

Well...

If you do buy gold and silver..my preference is to have it in hand and quickly available. Under the mattress is not wise...minimum have a heavy not easily moved safe and the best for security but a little less access is a local bank safety deposit box.

My worthless two fiat cents :D

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Also...

Remember to have a mix. If you can afford gold then maybe half in gold with a mix of ounce, 1/4 ounce, and 1/8 ounce so that you don't have to 'break/sell' a bigger piece into fiat money if you don't need to. Silver works well too and would be good for the other half as you will get a lot more of it that could be sold for when you need lesser sums of fiat money.

Of course, the mix is up to you and how much you can afford to buy. There is no 'perfect' mix...just the mix should suit your wants and needs.

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I buy gold using my

I buy gold using my Ameritrade account using the symbol GLD. It's 9.99 a trade for as many shares as you can afford. 1 share of GLD has been trading around $80-90 since it represents 1/10 of an ounce of physical gold.

you are asking for

you are asking for investment advice from a ron paul support forum? are you kidding?

wow

not from you! I talked to my investment advisor today and he thinks this recession is a minor set back and the stock market will bounce back. He hasn't a clue that half of the people on this site have about the nature of the real economic situation. Tell me where else to go then, jackass!!! If your so f#@%ing smart!

P.S. Keeping your gold

P.S. Keeping your gold and silver under your mattress isn't any fun. I bought a pirate style treasure chest that I keep in a more secure safe. It's the goal to fill the treasure chest so it over flows when I open the top. :-)

http://www.woodchests.com...

haha, your response is

haha, your response is awesome.

So I'm no financial expert or anything but I do invest in Silver. I've read that industry 'promises' of silver actually outweigh the current supplies. For this reason I prefer to actually retain possession of any purchased metals.

Maybe this will offer insight..
http://www.goldmoney.com/...

Wake-Up Call

Less than one year ago REFCO, a New York based financial services company, collapsed. Last week the London Metals Exchange took the extraordinary step to postpone what looks like the inevitable default of contracts in its nickel market. What do these two events have in common?

The customers of these firms who thought they owned metal in fact didn't. The defaults made clear to these firms' customers that they owned someone's promise to deliver metal to them, but they did not own the metal itself.

Both of these events are 'wake-up calls' and should be heeded by everyone who owns 'paper gold' instead of gold itself. The same logic applies to silver. I highly recommend reading the very informative essay by Ted Butler analyzing the LME's pending default. The implications he makes for 'paper silver' are also relevant to 'paper gold'. His essay can be found here:
http://news.silverseek.co...

We are in an environment where people increasingly demand ownership of things in preference to promises. People are opting for tangible assets in preference to financial assets. As a result it is inevitable that there will be more defaults in the future. The nickel fiasco explains why. The promises to deliver nickel are greater than the amount of nickel available for delivery. There is not enough metal available to enable the shorts to deliver under their contract to meet their obligation.

Importantly, the same situation exists in gold and silver. Though the gold and silver shorts are not yet in such dire straits as the nickel shorts, they are in the same predicament. There are more promises outstanding to deliver gold and silver than the amount of physical metal available at the current price. A higher price in both precious metals as well as nickel is needed to bring their markets back into balance. The only other way to achieve that balance is a default by the shorts, reducing the size of their delivery obligation, which is where the LME is headed.

This imbalance between longs and shorts is like musical chairs. When the music stops - as it does from time to time - someone is inevitably left standing. Don't let that be you. Do not get caught on the wrong side. Own metal, and not someone's paper promise.

Examples of 'paper gold' are gold certificates issued by banks and mints, pool accounts, futures accounts and GLD, the NYSE listed exchange-traded fund. With these products you own a piece of paper rather than gold itself. Own physical metal and not a certificate purporting to be metal.

Examples of physical metal that you can own are coins, bars, high-karat jewelry and of course, GoldMoney. With GoldMoney you own physical metal. We simply place your gold and silver in a specialized bullion vault and insure it for you through a policy underwritten at Lloyd's of London. GoldMoney is not 'paper gold' because each customer retains title to the metal he/she owns, as explained in VIII(C) of our User Agreement. And if anything were to happen to GoldMoney, your gold and silver is still safe. Section VIII(C) also explains that ASL Financial & Commercial Services Limited, a regulated trust company in Jersey, British Channel Islands, will "promptly arrange distribution from the Vault of the bars" of gold and silver "to the various GoldMoney Users."

If you use someone else other than GoldMoney to store your gold and silver for you, be sure they meet the same high standards that GoldMoney achieves. Ask for the audit of the gold and their operating systems. Look for their insurance certificate. In short, compare their governance procedures to those of GoldMoney to ensure that they provide the same assurances of integrity.

Use the REFCO and LME events as a reason to take a close look at your portfolio of precious metals. Evaluate your exposure to paper, and take the safe alternative. Replace those paper promises with physical metal.

Gold should be viewed as the bedrock asset in your portfolio. In view of its importance, do not take any risks with it. So for this reason, be sure to own physical metal, and not just someone's promise.

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