"Let me see if I get this right. We've got 1,584 Ron Paul Meetup Groups..."
Submitted by dkim68 on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 01:17
Let me see if I get this right. We've got 1,584 Ron Paul Meetup Groups in 1,182 cities with a total of 103,043 members, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of non-Meetup group members who support Ron Paul nationwide. Yet... we still only have 12,500 Precinct Leaders when we need 180,000. What's going on here?
The Precinct Leader Program should have been in place and 180,000 strong three months ago. Which is why it's even more crucial that we make up for lost time and take the next step, people. You know this election year is more important than any other one you'll experience in your lifetime. You don't want to look back on this moment in history and say you could've done more.
If this doesn't motivate you to sign up, please listen to Ron Paul himself in this new video where he asks for your support:
www.youtube.com/T0nJH6zB9VM
In my county our team of five precinct leaders is tackling a population of approximately 60,000 people (that's 12,000 people/6,000 households per precinct leader). You should never underestimate the power of your influence on others. One precinct leader can generate enough Ron Paul support to send ripples throughout their community and influence hundreds if not thousands of people to vote for Ron Paul. You can make that kind of a difference in your communities as well. Make your mark in the Revolution starting today. Become a precinct leader and help change the world!
PLEASE SIGN UP NOW!
http://voters.ronpaul2008.com/grassroots/signup.php
Better late than never
Since you only have a few days, I would recommend calling your list that was provided by the campaign. Check with your local meetup group and see what areas have been covered. Call your county coordinator and ask what they think is your best course of action. If you can't reach anyone just start going throught the list and calling. Be polite, ask if they are voting this year and if they are familiar with the RP campaign. Ask them what issues most concern them and provide some of your personal knowledge of Ron Pauls stances. Don't be pushy and never argue.
What to say?
I just signed up......My state is one of the Super Tuesday states......Can someone tell me what I should say when calling or going door to door........ Any suggestions since it is so close to Tuesday....Thanks
Precinct leaders and donations
What works best:
precinct canvassing
Donations to the campaign for TV ads.
Makes you feel good, but works minimally:
Being a meetup member and doing the minimum
Waving signs once in a while.
People make up their mind about the candidates from talking to other people, and seeing them on TV.
Not everyone is physically able or has time to do everything. Do what you can, but do something that will work.
There are not actually that many meet-up members
Many people are members of multiple meet-ups giving the illusion of lots of supporters. That's the reality of the meet-ups.
90% of Members of Ron Paul MeetUp Groups...
...do absolutely nothing to help the campaign except take up space.
Words without deeds is like a garden full of weeds.
I weed my Meetup Group periodically so I can get a true picture of the remnant and their support.
Watch the film "THX1138" online for a glimpse into the future.
http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=THX1138&post_id=7484
Afraid you're right ....
I'm afraid you're right THX1138. I am in the Phoenix Meetup with almost 700 members and I would bet that only 70 people are truly "active" ...... why the others sign up @ Meetup and endure the horribly slow website and constant e-mails is beyond me.
Pathetic, but true ......
As of 2:50 AM EST
12932 Precinct Leaders in
12003 Precincts
Widget updates periodically, while actual number is on the Precinct Leaders page.
Man, does this post TOTALLY
Man, does this post TOTALLY need to be at the top! The only thing that comes even CLOSE to this issue is delegates! but getting the word out is SO important! Go, people, GO!
www.paulforronpaul.com
I'm a precinct leader
I am NOT the kind of person that likes to talk to people, especially on the phone. But I love Ron Paul and Freedom and it's well worth it. Actually, I thought that I would totally hate being a precinct leader and it sounded like a lot of BS... but it is FUN! Yes, you get a little depressed when you make a group of calls and get "No Thank you" or hung up on. That pisses me off to keep going. But when you get people that say, "I've heard of Ron Paul but don't know much about him" - you've hit Gold. Now it's your time to shine. You can ask them what issues concern them the most and then tell them all about our Hero. If you are looking for Platinum.. just keep calling cuz you will hit many who will say they already support Ron Paul and that feels like finding a long lost relative or friend. It's fun and easy and worth it all.
Joe
Looks to me like is a thread that belongs...
on the front page! I would sign up as one but I'm in Canada!
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Hey atrickpay
Don't let that stop you... TN has many precincts in my area that aren't being covered. If you can call US free then you could call one of those lists. Let me know if you are interested and I'll give you an address to use when you sign up and it will give you names and numbers inside a precinct that is available.
Joe
It's Easy Sisterjane!
The website is very well organized!
I ordered some Slim Jim's in the shop, 500 flyers for $17.50 delivered
If two voters live in every home, that's 1,000 potential votes - from a single person handing out these slim jim flyers.
This is a lethal strategy if we put it into full operation.
Florida has over 6,000 precints X 1,000 voters each = 6 MILLION VOTES
It all starts with a single person.
We have incredible power!
I just signed up!!
Now... I gotta go so I can figure out what it is I just signed up for!!!!! LOL!
As Guy Clark once said.."He did not know he could not fly... and so he did"
Im making it official too,.
Im making it official too,. I went to my local Republican hq and they wanted nothing to do with it. So I been passing stuff out myself. A good place is grocery stores..
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umm... What is a precinct? What does a precinct leader do?
Why is this an important issue?
Do they count votes?
Is this different from "meetup" groups?
Is this a voter poll thing, like a straw poll?
Are these leaders accountable to Republican party officials?
What is the connection to the Ron Paul election effort?
I'm probably not the only one who wants to know these questions.
A precint is basically your
A precint is basically your neighborhood.
A precint leader signs up at the Ron Paul website, and many buy Slim Jim flyers to hand out in their neighborhood. These flyers are great, full of information for the average voter. Precint leaders walk the streets and go door to door handing out information.
This is important because we are building a grassroots foundation from the ground up - very tightly knit, at the local level. This strategy WILL yield millions of votes for Ron Paul. It is the most effective strategy because of the personal contact.
No, they don't count votes. Just get some slim jim's and go walking to the addresses listed on the website.
We are not accountable to GOP party officials, we are accountable for ourselves.
What's the connection to the campaign? Go to www.ronpaul2008.com
Ron Paul's election campaign is using this strategy to create the largest grassroots political campaign in history.
The precinct thing works
The precinct thing works great if you live in a regular neighborhood. However, where I live you can't even get close to the homes here. Let me explain, houses on more than an acre with electric fences or electronic gates with touch pads. Or large dogs that bite. The homes here sell for over a million, and people want to be left alone. I was asked why I don't become a precinct leader well this is just one reason.
I have a home-based business and my loving neighbors tried to stop me. FYI, I had never meet any of them prior to getting this home business license. Also, my closest neighbor is 5 acres away!
The best thing I did was to put up a 4 x 8 Ron Paul sign. We live on the corner of a very busy street and our little dead end street. My neighbors up the way have to see the sign every time they come home or leave. We love it, since we know it probably ticks off these angry people. Also, since we are on the corner, our lot was a lot cheaper and our house is the cheapest on the street, way below the million plus home above us. Another reason our neighbors hate us, LOL.
Get this the Mormons (no offense) don't even come here, no one. It isn't an accessible area.
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A Precinct Leader is
A precinct leader is someone who gets Ron Paul information to every Republican (or person who can vote) before the primary, hopefully. You go to Ronpaul2008 and click on the link that says to sign up for precinct leader. There you sign up and they provide you with a list of everyone in your precinct. They have videos to help you with this. If possible, you should get DVDs from ronpaulrevere and hanging bags from uline.com to put them in. You should also get some slimjims. You are set to go. With the help of some of your meet up friends you canvass your precinct leaving the material with everyone you can. You probably don't have time to talk to everyone; leaving the material so they can peruse is better I believe.
So, go for it. It is a little scary at first but when you really believe you are helping these people, that helps a lot.
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A precinct is a local voting area -- typically 1 per poll place
The job of a precinct leader / captain / xxxxxxxx is to do his/her best to contact all of the voters (and/or potential voters in open primary states) within that "voting precinct":
1) Lit Drop -- make certain they are aware of the candidate & campaign, including issues and stands on those issues (typically by doing a "literature drop" at each house).
2) Voter ID -- contact the voter to identify what their key issues (reasons for choosing candidates) and if possible, who they are likely to vote for, and how committed they are to that candidate. (This normally done by phone and/or door-to-door survey taking.)
3) Voter Conversion -- for those voters who are undecided or only minimally committed (or who have matching issues), then concentrating efforts (discussions or additional information) in an attempt to "convert" them to your candidate.
4) Get Out The Vote (GOTV) -- doing your best to make certain that voters who are "committed" to your candidate ACTUALLY get out and vote for him on the day of the election -- this may include making certain they know where (and when) to actually vote, making phone calls to remind them and/or verify whether they voted, and offering rides to the polling place, etc.
Now all of that sounds like a LOT of work... but since the size of each precinct differs, some are larger than others.
AND, in point of fact, most precinct captains seldom do the entire process -- covering either only part of their precinct, or only focusing on past voters, and/or only doing the lit drop, etc.
But, since most campaigns cannot cover ALL of their precincts, it is better for someone to take a precinct and do a 25% complete job than it is for a precinct to have NOTHING done at all.
Thanks guys. Nine more
Thanks guys. Nine more people have signed up to be precinct leaders through referral since I posted this! GO RON PAUL!!!
absolutely
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Total Meetup numbers may be very misleading.
You must consider that any one person can sign up for unlimited meetup groups. We supposedly have 140 members in our group, yet at most 20 people that participate in email discussion and/or events. Many of these members are no longer even available via email, but a LOT of them are from other cities across the country. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that this inflates the true numbers dramatically.
The biggest consequence is that it leads to unfulfillable expectations and ensuing frustration.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Members only counted ONCE for Big Total.
I wondered this myself many months ago and researched the answer thoroughly. Regardless of how many meetups a person belongs to, for the 100,000+ "BIG TOTAL" on the http://ronpaul.meetup.com/about page they are only counted ONCE.
Where you have to be careful is if you try to determine (for instance) how many meetup members you have within a state -- you CANNOT simply add up the number of members from each group because then you WILL end up counting people 2, 3 or more times, and will have a very erroneous total.
There also DOES have to be a caveat on the number of meetup groups as well -- some of them are "inactive" -- others consist of only one or two people who are TRYING to establish a group -- and still others are "meta-groups" that are used for purposes of (for instance) coordinating the meetup organizers within a specific geographical area.
This is all true. But what I
This is all true. But what I want to know is... have you signed up to be a precinct leader? :D
Yes, I was part of the initial testing... phases 1 & 2
And managed through that to pull down all 3 of my local precincts (covering my entire township).
Plus have others in my meetups signed up, trained, and equipped to do the lit drops completely covering the local city as well (at least trained to do the PREVIOUS precinct plan of doing lit drops first and foremost -- before they changed it doing solely phone calls, and made me look like an idiot and subsequently having to spend time arguing with my meetup members that we stick to the original plan.)
What I want to know, dkim68, is... have YOU maxed out your donations yet?
$2,300 BABY
$2,300 BABY
Bet you thought I didn't, huh? ;)
Exactly. So in reality the
Exactly. So in reality the situation is actually more urgent.
Get up, get out, get active!
YOU are the grassroots. This whole campaign is YOU.
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The only way we can lose is to forget that we are winning!
Yes - thankyou
I've been saying this for weeks. I'm going to start contacting meetup groups to try to urge them into the precinct leader program - I've been asking if this is happening already but as far as I know it's not. If anyone has any suggestions for how I should go about this I would welcome them.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
I singed up. I didn't really want the responsibility but...
My meetup captain finally persuaded me and ya know what? It's not too much to do after all. I encourage everyone to take on this position.
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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
~Mahatma Gandhi
Meetup members need to become precint leaders
There is a misconception that people can't be members of both meetups and precinct leaders because that would be combining the official campaign with outside efforts. Actually, you can because you are only a volunteer.
This was clarified by the official campaign blog (The Daily Dose) at:
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/
Every one of the 100k meetup members should be a precint leader. That's the only way to win.
But even then, we still need
But even then, we still need to get another 80k precinct leaders from somewhere. 100k would be a darn good start though.
Just get the message out....
The supporters you convert through canvassing will influence other voters who will become supporters and we'll get precinct leaders from there....
Hell, even if we got half
Hell, even if we got half that number to sign up, say around 90,000 Precinct Leaders. That would be a powerful enough force to win this election. Think of it as enlisting in Ron Paul's Revolutionary Army. We are his troops fighting for his win.
I signed up.
It is fun and like mining for gold - when you find a Ron Paul person that just needed more info - what a great feeling!
It is just a small window of opportunity - let's give it all we got.
Im just here for the beer
Sorry but i cant handle any responsibility. But i do hand out liberty cards and slimjims to everyone i come in contact with, and every bar and bathroom i visit. which is not a small number i assure you. thats my contribution. well, that and a lot of money
Just signed up
Watching training vids now... THere are soooo many open precincts surrounding mine. So discouraging!
Here's why
I wasn't going to sign up because I don't want to be obligated to do stuff for the campaign. It said that I needed to be a leader of a precinct and that totally turned me off. I donate a lot of money and a lot of time and talk to a lot of people. However, I did sign up:-)
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All of us hitting the streets at once would be fun....
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joez
You are so Right!!!
I am a 26 year old single widowed father of 1 and I am actually just an average "nobody". I am helping to assistant organize my county (1 out of 2 organizers) holding meetups and training people at my house, canvassing, phone calling, hanging signs, and have 3 invitations to speak about Ron Paul Publicly that I did nothing to bring on. People can do so much to influence their neighbors and communities!
The Revolution Continues at http://nationbuilder.org
My Meetup Group Has 68 Members...
...and only 4 showed up to work the local gun show where we had a sweet table setup with tons on slim jims, flyers, bumper stickers, and a TV playing the Ron Paul DVD.
Mouse pad revolutionaries are a plenty (at least they're always willing to donate money to the Meetup and the campaign).
We need boots on the ground folks.
I guess I'll put in another 8 hours tomorrow, for liberty.
Aha...
Well this sounds familiar...we had 400 Meetup members in NH and I figured we could overwhelm the boothing in the summer, but I only got about 6 people to actually help me.
Absolutely right
I had my whole precinct by my self: 1400 homes. And I live n the country, acres and acres apart! But you know what! I had the best time. I am not an out going person, I find it hard to speak to people. But when it came time for RP, it was easy! Sign up, get your list of names and house numbers. The revolution will die with out it. If you are out and find a supporter, ask for their help! Most people are willing; if you ask!
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
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ok....
buuuump
bump
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if you poll the DP
you'll find very few of the nearly 2000 who frequent it...very few will be precinct leaders.
many are here for the gossip and buzz of it all.
I'm here for gossip, buzz and ideas and I am
a precinct leader too. With help my precinct has nearly been covered (about 700 of the 800 or so houses). I've been really sick this week though.
TexaslovesRonPaul We hope
TexaslovesRonPaul We hope you get well soon. Being sick is not fun, especially this year with all the cold viruses that are all over the country.
Ron Paul 2008
Thanks...bronchitis
never had it before, it really wears you down, but I'm getting better. BTW...We have an awesome meetup organizer in our town and we have precinct leaders for quite a lot of the precincts, but still many precincts that aren't covered.
IF Ron loses...
it's our fault.