Where is it stated that IRS is private company?
Posted January 27th, 2008 by qgrahamusmc
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Where is it stated that IRS is private company?
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The IRS is a government corporation
The IRS is a government corporation created by the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to a congressional statutory grant of authority (see specifically IRC § 7801). The IRS is not an agency of the United States Government but it is declared by statute to be a federal agency of the United States. The United States Government was created by the Constitution as a central government representing the interests of the several States. Congress, however, is delegated authority over its territory and other property, i.e., the United States, pursuant to Art. 4 § 3(2), Congress' power to make "all needful rules and regulations" over its territory, i.e., United States' property or real estate. Acting in this capacity, Congress is not acting as a central government for the several States but is acting in the capacity as a state legislature over its territory and other property. The federal income tax is not pursuant to Art 1 § 8(1) but Art. 4 § 3(2). The Secretary in IRC § 7805 is delegated the authority to enforce Title 26 with "all needful rules and regulations." The Commissioner has only the authority the Secretary delegates to him as he is an inferior or subordinate public officer. No authority to enforce the internal revenue laws is delegated to him by statute. A Treasury Order specifically names the Commissioner to be the Chief Executive Officer of the IRS. The IRS is a government corporation which administers taxes laid within United States' territories and insular possessions and upon those who are subject to Congress' Art. 4 § 3(2) legislative jurisdiction, i.e., the "citizen of the United States" wherever resident.
/s/ Timothy I. McCrory
mailto:tim@nontaxpayer.ne...
Why the Citizens of the Several States
Are Not Generally Liable for the
Federal Income Tax
http://www.nontaxpayer.ne...
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The IRS is actually a private collection agency hired by and working for the U.S. Dept of the Treasury as a revenue collection subcontractor. They are exactly what they say they are A REVENUE COLLECTION SERVICE, not much different than the ones working for Banks that need to collect outstanding credit card debt. It is no different than Blackwater which is a private contract para-military police force. Do you understand now?
Public or Private
The IRS is both public and private. They are a creation of the globalist so there is no specific legal definition for them even though you will find that they are "incorporated" out of Puerto Rico, a territory of the federal government.
The necessary question is how does the IRS relate to YOU, whether public or private? The answer is they have no authority over you until you give it to them by not responding in a manner that is conducive to your freedom. In other words, they take control of your "legal" position by tricking you into talking to them.
The IRS is like any corporation who claims to be from government whether they are or are not. The way to handle them is to challenge their authority by attacking the standing of the people that represent the agency and any attorney who claims they work for the fiction.
Dr. Defacto
"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s
realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." -Ron Paul 7/10/03
Ron Paul believes
the Truth... that the FED and the IRS are non-governmental agencies. He has stated that there is no law to pay taxes, it's illegal and unconstitutional. It is an organization owned by a banking cartel. He also states that it's been put into peoples minds that it's a gov agency and the law to pay taxes because they (the IRS) use force to intimidate the American into submission to pay.
Joe
More about the fed
The fake artifical counties ( COUNTY OF WHATEVER ) The real countys are ( Whatever County) The fake county of's are registured to the federal reserve as private busineses. If the counties are going to be private busineses, to be legal they must be registered to state or federal government. #1.Counties are supposed to be counties, not private busineses . You can see if your county is a private company at Dun & Bradstreet . So this makes them an illegal private business. #2.The federal reserve is running an illegal operation because they are registuring these businesses (counties meaning police dept. court house, govt.center.) to them selfs as sub corporations. this is hard for me to explain more and other info at usavsus.info
Two successful cases against income taxes
http://www.truthattack.or...
http://portland.indymedia...
IRS
I believe the IRS has authority thru Congress to collect taxes for the central bank... I.E. The Fed
EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF TAXES ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
Excise, import, income? Direct apportioned, direct unapportioned? If you are referring to a direct unapportioned tax like the federal income tax, the Congress of the United States of America has never had any such authority per the ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION ratified in 1789. And the 16th amendment DID NOT state anything different to change the original law.
I believe I heard Dr. Paul say...Anyone want to add to this?
That all the money we pay to the IRS goes directly to the Federal Reserve and that our govt gets none of that money to run the govt, It all goes towards the national debt.
Anyone want to add to this?
Ed and Elaine Brown
Tragic Tragic story...Poor elderlyish couple in jail..who took a stand. Please search them
I believe Ed's been gassed or something..
IRS
Here is a link that explains quit well the IRS
http://www.supremelaw.org...
Hope that will clear things up.
Not the IRS
It's the Federal Reserve that is privately owned.
The IRS is apparently the collection agency for the (privately owned) Fed.
I think 1 of us is confused!
The federale reserve is inthe white pages next to fed express not IRS (Internal Revinue Service is as gov as gov gets so I think you meant the FED not IRS ?If my info is wrong let me know please maybe watch AMERICA FREEDOM TO FASCISM by AARON RUSSO on google
What is the IRS.
The IRS is the collection agency for the mob.
Everything you like to know about the IRS but were afraid to ask
Go here and read!!, http://www.losthorizons.c...
No excuses just read it. I promise it will change you life!!! As it has mine. You will be told the truth and the horrible secrets of the IRS and the INCOME TAX will be revealed. Takes about 20 min to read.
After you are done then go here:
http://www.losthorizons.c...
This is absolutely the most knowledgeable person about the illegal income tax I have ever researched.
amazing debate about the fed and RP's true position on it
on the CNN fed question thread here.. http://www.dailypaul.com/...
come participate and help frame the right question
THE MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE IRS WOULD BE....
a Quasi-Government Agency. In the end, once one breaks through all of the fluff, what is left by definition is a "private" corporation.
THE MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE IRS WOULD BE....
a Quasi-Government Agency. In the end, once one breaks through all of the fluff, what is left by definition is a "private" corporation.
Good stuff
I got them convinced at least of suspicious pratices
I can say the IRS IS NOT An agency
For the UNITED STATES.
In diversified metals vs t-bow trust, steve morgan, IRS
The Govt responded to an answers and claim as" Denies the Internal Revenue Service is an agency for the UNTIED STATES GOVERNMENT" NOT an agency for the GUVMINT, equates to a PRIVATE CORPORATION.
Also I do not remember where it is in the tax code, But they also give themselves an exemption in very coded language.
by definition the IRS must be gov, then why do the employees
of this agency get a federale pay checks then? the excuse you are referring to i think is like dick cheney saying he is not part of the executive branch but the congress?this is as federal as it gets they are fully run by the gov within not like the FED which is cental bankers the IRS olny collects money why is that make them a private entity ?because of one court case?What does Dr paul say ?that is the question!
IRS Not Private Co., but...
The issue with the IRS is not that it is a private company (although the Federal Reserve IS a private company). The IRS is under the Department of Treasury. Perhaps you're thinking of the assertions that the IRS is a fraudulently created organization:
IRS Never Actually Created by Act of Congress:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~b...
Fraudulent Origins of IRS:
http://www.givemeliberty....
IRS IS NOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY
http://www.apfn.net/Messa...
"Send a Freedom Of Information Act request to your CON-gressmen and ask them for a copy and the name and number of the act that created the IRS as a government agency. All they can come up with is some act of 1862 that establishes the office of commissioner of the IRS. All that did was create the office of the commissioner who is just a figure head of a PRIVATE CORP just as the commissioner of the Federal Reserve is the head of the PRIVATE CORP Federal Reserve. The IRS is a Criminal Extortion Racket run out of Puerto RICO collectioning on the Federal Bankrupty of 1933."
http://www.illuminati-new...
IRS IS NOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY
"The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the United States government. It is true that not only can it NOT be found in Title 31, but it is nowhere to be found in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C."
"Congress THOUGHT it created it but it didn't. Just look at the 1100 manual and it tells you so. Congress only created the Commissioner's Office. He then hired the private collection agency people and used them as the tax collectors. In fact, I defy you to find any IRS employee listed as an Employee of the United States Government with a United States Employee Identification number that has been hired by any District Director in the country. Now I suggest you look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of "Revenue agent." That definition reads "Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico."
IRS is not, the US Postal Service is.
Go President Paul!
Character of U.S. Postal Service
Sorry to burst your bubble but the U.S. Postal Service is a privately owned corporation subject to federal law. No postal service employee is an agent or employee of the federal government. Nixon wiped that out back in 1971 when he aided and abetted the international banksters in their scheme to debase the U.S. dollar.
A better rundown
Here's some very good research ripping the IRS a new one. It is indeed not a governmental organization
http://www.supremelaw.org...
You might be thinking of this court case
in which a US Attorney denied the IRS is an agency of the US government
http://www.nontaxpayer.ne...
It's all
very convoluted, intentionally I'm sure. You'll have to do your own research, but it appears to me that the IRS is nothing more than a Trust established in the territory of Puerto Rico.
http://www.supremelaw.org...
http://www.usa-the-republ...
This legal case proves it
http://www.rumormillnews....
Okay... you just answered your own question and...
you have been disingenuous in asking it in the first place, imho.
Why ask about something you already know the answer to?
An explanation is more than welcome.
Thanks
Go Ron Paul
the irs is not a private company
the federal reserve is
The Federal Reserve is neither private nor public
The Fed is a unique entity. Its shareholders (the member banks) are limited to 6% profit on their shares, and have no voting rights, so one can't say they "own" it. The governors are appointed by the president, but have 17 year terms. It's not really a company at all. It is more like a cartel. But it is not exactly like anything else. It's just a Creature.
The US Fed is a "Private Banking Cartel" with exclusive
powers bestowed upon it by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Most of the owners remain unknown (closed membership). If anyone thinks that it is not private, then just attempt to "buy a share" of the US Federal Reserve.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
http://video.aol.com/vide...
The first thing I would ask...
is what is the source of your question? You must have heard or read about the IRS being a private company somewhere, hence your post, tell us where or from whom you received the information and we can all help you out from there.
You may be referring to the fed, as others surmised.
Thanks.
Go Ron Paul.
NO
Someone watches the Russo film and ask me, I knew FED was private, I also knew IRS uses private contractors for collection after 2004 Job Creations Act. But It appears as referenced in the above legal case that they represent themselves in court as private.
fed experts
please also help us out here... http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Lots more info at link. FED/IRS
http://www.apfn.org/APFN/...
"By law (check the Congressional record), we can buy back the FED for the original investment of the FED's 300 shareholders, which is $450 million (Reference 1, P. 227, Reference 17, P. 36). If each taxpayer paid $25, we could buy back the FED and all the profit would flow into the U.S. Treasury. In other words, by Congress allowing the constitutionally illegal FED to continue, much of your taxes go to the shareholders of the FED and their bankers. Note: The people who enacted the FED started the IRS, within months of the FED's inception. The FED buys U.S. debt with money they printed from nothing, then charges the U.S. taxpayers interest. The government had to create income tax to pay the interest expense to the FED's shareholders, but the income tax was never legally passed (Reference 20 shows details, state-by-state why it was not legally passed). The FED is illegal, per Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution. Not one state legally ratified the 16th Amendment making income tax legal."
"If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution, we could balance the budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing. In Congressional hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles admitted that the FED creates new money from thin air (printing press), and loans it back to us at interest (Reference 17, P. 93). On June 6, 1960, FED President Mr. Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference 22, P. 164). If you or I did this we would go to jail."
That's some conspiracy BS
the way I heard it, it's a Delaware Corp.
Doesn't matter, they're thugs.
Like comment below, the FED is private.
it's a Delaware Corp
I think in 1933.
The Internal Revenue Service is part of the Treasury Department
The reason they have an office in Puerto Rico, is because Puerto Rico is part of the United States.
The Internal Revenue Service is part of the Treasury Department
If you notice, on every envelope from the IRS, it says "The Department of Treasury", does it say of the United States? No. If you look at any of the federal reserve notes in your possesion, there's a signature on the bottom left hand side that says "Treasurer Of The United States", on the bottom right hand side is a signature that says "Secretary of The Treasury", does it say of "The United States"? No. If you look at the seal on the podium whenever the president or a member of congress speaks, it says "President of the United States" or "Congress of the United States". If you go to the veteran's administration there's a seal that says "Veteran's Administration of the United States". If you go to any IRS building there's a seal that says "Department of the Treasury", does it say of the "United States"? No. There's a "United States Treasury", and a "Department of Treasury". If you go to a Federal Reserve building you will see the same seal that's at the IRS that says "Department of Treasury", does it say "Of The United States"? No. If it belongs to the United States, they put their name on it! Go to a military base, everything there will say "Property of the US Army", from latrines and tanks right down to a #2 pencil, if it belongs to "The United States" they put their name on it! Fifteen to twenty years ago if you looked in the federal register, they didn't list the IRS or it's business structure as required by law of all government agencies. In the last few years they been listed in the federal register and the intro to the federal register has been changed to read that "The Federal Register" lists all government agencies, and QUASI-OFFICIAL agencies. Anything listed anywhere as "Department of Treasury", belongs to the federal reserve, like the IRS and the BATF, not The UNITED STATES government. If you go to any bank and look at anything to do with the FDIC, the seal says department of treasury, and again, no mention of "The United States". Go to a Federal Credit Union and look at the NCUA which is their equivilent of the FDIC and it says NCUA, a US Government Agency. Check it out for yourself.
OK, I need some clarification on this
2 voters are wanting it
If its a US govt entity why
If its a US govt entity why is its offices in puerto rico?
It is a branch of government
from everything I ever read it is a branch of government.
Maybe you are thinking about the federal reserve?
I thought the IRS was private too
I thought the IRS was private too
Federal Reserve
The Federal Reserve is private