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* * * Drug Testing for Politicians...Huh...say what? * * *

Now...before ya'll start in with shouting 'invasive' 'unconstitutional'..on and on. Hear this...

We know mandatory drug testing is in place for certain professions---and even most premier companies require drug testing per routine policy.

This discussion really goes to the trouble that America is in--the judgement (or lack of) of our leaders/reps.

Well, I've read commentaries that the reason our representatives are so wacked-out (you know voting for crazy things--saying outlandish things, doing crazy things...like soliciting men in bathroom stalls).....is that they are 'pilled-up' ABUSING meds (RX meds), street drugs, and/or alcohol or other substances.

Why are our politicians exempt from drug testing?

QUESTIONS:

1) Do you think politicians' behavior could be due to drug abuse/impairment?

2) Should we push through legislation to require mandatory drug testing...right up to the White House and President Bush?

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Theese guys are rich and in

Theese guys are rich and in power, I think they could easily get around a drug test.

ha...

how do you suppose one could get the legislation passed...as they would have to vote for it...would they not?

not likely they'd

vote for it but would be great to hold over those who vote against it!

I'm all for it.

They are our employees and the rules right now are to "just say no to drugs." We need to find out on a regular basis if they are complying with the rules of their employment. Maybe that will give them incentive to change the rules.

heh

I'm all for it. It would probably eliminate 50% of the nice politicians. Right off the line.

drug testing politicians

Oh come now, of course they don't want to be tested like the rest of us! Then their little secret would be out! (all sarcasm intended) (It would be an interesting can of worms to open!)

A non-multiple choice, handwritten Constitutional Test, before..

taking medical exam.

But for mandatory testing of controlled narcotics addiction? There may be some room for agreement. However, because issue of narcotics invariably brings up the question of a sound mind, fit for impartial judgment and management, hovers around the question of someone's psychology, the actual application becomes highly questionable. If we were solely to set out to test what chemicals are in ones' body, in not only reveal narcotics, it reveals all sorts of data-person's diet, life-style, life-span, signs of other ailment, etc.

But really, with drug tests, because the underlying intent really is to determine whether one can carry out the defense of the Constitution with sound mind, we're talking psychology here, at the end of the day. It's not just so that we can see what chemical a politician decides to inject into his/her body.

However, while psychology has its place, actual science of psychiatry is still being debated. We still have ZERO idea how the brain really works, where memory is stored, where our consciousness come from, etc. Besides, since the days of Max Plank, if one were to be absolutely honest, there are no certainties in science, only probabilities, most likelihood, and theories. There are no "LAWS" in science, as the common misnomers go.

While there have been many neurological studies done, as to how the brain is wired, and how it can be traumatized, nothing is for certain. Besides the old adage of "use it or lose it" may not pertain to brain at all. Latest studies are suggesting that the neurons continue to make links; they do not stop making links past puberty, in fact they continuously make links throughout one's lifetime. As there are many case studies of people who have physically damaged brain, ie. gunshot wounds, cut out after cancer, etc. in which, the part of the brain that was previously thought to control certain functions, when destroyed, substituted the function by activating another part of the brain to compensate.

The locale of brain function is NOT locked in as many erroneously believe. One of the best books on this is by a neurologist named Dr. Norman Doidge, MD. I highly recommend his book, "The Brain that changes Itself."

Besides it's utterly arrogant and presumptuous of modern establishment scientists who are basically nothing more than grant-whores, and rarely have anything to do with seeking the truth, to take a false a-priori cause-effect assumption of, whatever lights up under a MRI or CAT scanner must be the portion of the brain controlling that specific function. What nonsense!

So as much as I would love to institute and declare neoCONs and Bush as lunatics, let's face it, at least by current common sense and medical standards, they clearly are, I cannot agree to it based on unsubstantiated evidence and violation of privacy, to involuntary act as being immoral and illegal, not to mention unConstitutional. Exactly for the same reason, why I utterly detest the criminal mandatory testing of children solely to dole out corporate welfarism behind prescribing psychotropic drugs to minors in public schools. As well as the weak ground in which psychology/psychiatry is used to convict the accused in a court of law. It's a flawed science, if that is what it can actually be considered, through and through.

Though, it's been tested that while flawed, for the sake of conversation, if we were to judge the soundness of the mind by currently accepted psychological standards, it has been tested that high-risk prone A-type personalities, more specifically tested subjects such as Michael Schumacher, the 7-time Formula One World Champion driver, politicians, a CEO, and soldiers all displayed the same or similar brainscan of known socio-paths.

Now how about that??

Ha...love it...

Great 1/2 argument.

Me thinks your synapses are misfiring.

No seriously...I enjoyed your response.

You attempt to make a psychological argument...but you leave out the anatomical physiological response to drug impairment.

As stated below...do you think Heath Ledger was 'of sound mind' when he bit the dust from misuse/abuse of RX meds? Or, how about drunk drivers...should we just dispense with DUI sobriety field tests?

perhaps if mandatory testing

perhaps if mandatory testing on certain drugs applied to them....they would be a bit more likely to remove prohibition. Give them some personal incentive, yeah.

NOBODY!

Nobody should be tested in my opinion. Its a personal choice. Drug use does not mean you are incompetent. If someone has a drug PROBLEM it will be very obvious to even the most untrained eye. Drug addiction is a medical problem. NOT a crime.

On the other hand, if i gotta do it, so should they...

Clarification...

Drug ABUSE--AND MISUSE-- DOES mean one is impaired and incompetent. Ever read the pharmacopoeia?

Say...uh...do you think Heath Ledger was incompetent when he bit the dust from his misuse/abuse of RX meds?

Yes i agree "Drug ABUSE--AND

Yes i agree "Drug ABUSE--AND MISUSE-- DOES mean one is impaired and incompetent"

Im simply making the point that there are responsible ways to use drugs. You can drink responsibly. You can smoke resposibly ect.

There is a difference between drug USE and ABUSE. You can smoke weed every now and then and be competent. You can have an occasional drink and still be competent. Hell you can toot a line of coke now and then and be competent. The danger lies within the users self control.

and yes Heath was incompetent. He ABUSED drugs.

YES!

If they are going to test me ALL persons working for local ,state, or fed should be made to take the same drug test they require of others.Including teachers and police.

Absolutely

If they want to make it legal it has to start with them.
They are leaders not dictators. If they want us to have it, they should have it too. We are their employers.

yes...

we the people

I agree totally. I do not

I agree totally. I do not like companies who do dug testing, necessarily, but, these days, I DARNED sure want my President tested (would Obama pass?)
and not a pee test, but a hair test. I don't want some coke freak pressing The Button, nor making public policy and I would bet almost anything Bush is on something. I think congress should do it too. The Presidential candidates should all be drug HAIR tested before approved for the ballot to begin with. AND, they can all get the first National ID cards, too..

you...

bet...he's got the red phone at his fingertips.

ummm, what?

have you read RP's positions on drugs and the drug war? not to mention personal privacy?

I may be a selective facist here sorry

When it comes to revenge,,,test the politicans. Somebody get pelosi into rehab for power tripping

Drugs shouldnt be illegal

so this is a moot point

this is a tough one.......

seems what's good for the goose? .....

Polygraph

I guess the same argument for polygraphs. I'd say all elected officials should submit to a polygraph test once per quarter.