A Response To Christians
Posted February 2nd, 2008 by fanofwalt
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(coming from me, an Evangelical Christian, btw...)
To those Christians who say they support Huck, and, because they're pre-trib or whatever reason, feel they should not and could not "interfere" with the End Times that are coming...
-- that is an argument I've encountered plenty, myself. Sad; defeatist. But, I think I've just hit upon a response. Here it is:
You say that the rapture is coming, and there's nothing we can do about that; and, if we're in the fulfillment of the last times right now, then we shouldn't stand in the way, but let it take its natural course; and that whatever God wills to happen will indeed happen, and He doesn't need us to do anything about it...
Okay. Well, then...
...there's no need for us to show up at church to serve others or fellowship or get fed in the Word -- God will handle it without us.
...there's no need for us to pray for one another -- God will handle it without us.
...there's no need for us to care for widows, orphans, the sick, the poor -- God will handle it without us.
...there's no need for us to spread the Good News and save souls anymore -- God will handle it without us.
See; either the logic works both ways, or it doesn't work at all.
Seems to me, God often called (and still calls) upon people to carry out His missions: Noah, Moses, David, today's missionaries, etc. etc. etc.
I never saw His memo advising us otherwise.
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Good post - other resource for reaching "Christians"...
“A Good Tree Bears Good Fruit”
Open Letter to Christians:
Dear Brothers and Sisters - do you choose to have a voice as a voter? I would like to take this opportunity to share some important information with you. If you are making political decisions based solely on television sources, you are not getting the whole picture. In our busy culture, there seems to be little time for looking deeper into such things. However, the choosing of our nation’s leader is no small event, and we should give it our attention. My husband and I and many of our Christian friends have looked intently and found that Congressman Ron Paul is our clear choice for President. Please consider the following:
1) Ron Paul is a Christian: “I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do.” His statement of faith is found at: http://www.ronpaul2008.co...
2) 20-year record in Congress upholding the Constitution. He is a man of principle and full of integrity. “He who is faithful in little will also be faithful in much.”
3) Pro-life Champion – The Sanctity of Life (HR 1094) was legislation written to expressly define life as beginning at conception. Norma McCorvey (“Jane Roe”), now a pro-life activist, recently endorsed Dr. Paul. Finally, he was a doctor who delivered over 4,000 babies! His testimony about this issue is moving and real – not a political strategy (Go to YouTube.com and watch “Ron Paul Speaks To The Right To Life Foundation”)
4) Family man and American: on Feb.1st Mr. and Mrs. Paul will celebrate 51 years of marriage. They have 5 wonderful children and many grandchildren. Dr. Paul has been working since he was 5 years old and has never let up. He actively served in the U.S. Air Force for 5 years. (Wikipedia)
5) #1 on Home Schooling – this has been an important issue for Dr. Paul for many years and his stand on home schooling is stronger than anyone’s. Go to http://www.ronpaul2008.co... to find out more. Endorsement by Homeschool World (home-school.com) and others.
6) Strong Military Defense – A common sense foreign policy based on the Constitution: no nation building, no entangling alliances, no illegal wars. Return to the “Just War Theory”. Strengthen our borders. The Iraq war is bankrupting our nation and killing our bravest. Continued wars will guarantee a return of the draft.
7) Only Presidential candidate not connected to the Council on Foreign Relations. Every Christian should know what the goals of the CFR are; basically, they want to establish a one-world government. Richard Haass is the President of the CFR. Which of the candidates do you think he advises on Foreign Policy?
The government cannot legislate righteousness or enforce morality. As Christians, we are well-served by Freedom to do the work our Lord commissioned to us. Our hope is that you will take the time to get fully informed before the vote on Feb. 5th. May this information be a springboard to prayerful consideration for our future. “A good tree bears good fruit; a bad tree, bad fruit.”
In truth and love
BIG BUMP!
I was going to post a similar message on the other thread about Christians, but you have taken the words right out from under my fingers.
GMTA :D
Now we just need to -- gently -- share this word with our Brothers and Sisters.
Please see my comment at the bottom, called "Fake, Or Desperate?" These people aren't trying to be evil; they're trying to do what they think is right. They aren't horrible people; they are misled people.
Learning the truth about Huck will not be easy or kind for them. Folks, please hear this, and persuade Christian Huck supporters with love.
Firmly!....but in Christian love.
It's Sunday. Get the word out. (So to speak!!)
I just watched an Obama
I just watched an Obama celebratory speech and it left me with a really uneasy anti-christoic-false-profity sort of feelin'. It was amazing really... Saying things that i wanted to hear but leaving certian things open ended in certain ways that just made me sick. Or just out and totally contradicting himself. I mean, what's more damgerous? A guy like McCain that flaunts his sores? Or a guy that's smooth when he speeks and subtle with his deciet? I think now out of all the candidates, Obama freaks me out the most. It's the devil you do know versus the devil you don't.
thankyou!
and AMEN~
Been thinking about this myself
It almost seems like God is giving this country a choice right now. Pick Ron Paul and the message of peace, thus remaining free and relevant in the world, or continue down the path of destruction. The Bible has many stories of nations that God was using until they became proud and tried to step beyond the bounds He had set for them. The results were seldom good for those nations.
Reminiscent of Dr. King
Martin Luther King mentioned something along these lines in one of his famous speeches, which you can see here:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
(at 1:53 into the vid.)
"God has a way of standing before the nations with judgement, and it seems to me that I can hear God saying to America, 'You are too arrogant! If you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know My name. Be still and know that I am God.'"
Matthew: 24:4 ("Take
Matthew: 24:4 ("Take heed that no man deceive you"!, ) Jesus knew that this would become a very important factor for us to understand!,Why? Because christ's 2nd coming is the most important event for mankind and Jesus knew that there would be many Deceptive Interpretations!
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
Good Idea
I was almost one of those Christian's you encountered. Than I realized I can have all of the guesses to the end times that I want. But the fact of the matter is I don't, and ultimately we have no idea when exactly Jesus Christ is going to come, or exactly what he would want us to do. God doesn't need peoples help when it comes to the end times.
I am sure he can take care of that himself.
Interfere? They are deliberately bring Armageddon on themselves
They are insane war-mongers.
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!
Nailed It
I'm a fundamentalist Christian - premillennial. But we are not supposed to intentionally usher in antichrist or Armegeddon. It's insane to try to make things worse. The Lord may not return for another 10, 50, 100, or 1,000 years. That's a lot of suffering to endure needlessly. I'd prefer my kids didn't have to grow up as slaves or in prison (reeducation) camps.
yup
but i would prefer we have more time so we can finish the race
**That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them
Those that don't resist are of the spirit of anti-christ.
period. These are fake christians....
Fake? Or, Desperate?
Ya know...I don't think that's necessarily the case, that they're "fake" Christians.
Misguided, yes. Gullible, yes. Illogical and unthinking, yes. Ready to be taken away from the messy lives we humans endure here on Earth, and live forever in paradise -- yes.
Frankly, that last one sounds rather appealing, and is likely the strongest motive for relinquishing resistance, or even outright welcoming of "our fate".
But I'll bet these folks are, on the whole, well-intentioned, God-fearing, faith-driven people. People who are doing their best to serve God and obey His will.
The problem isn't that they're fake. It's that they are easily taken in.
They are so desperate to be freed from the fallen nature of this world and for the return of the Saviour (and who can blame them?!), that they're kinda anxious to skip ahead to the rapture part, because that's where the Good Stuff happens. In all their Bible studies, though, they somehow missed the part about there being a lot of false prophets in the End Times, prior to the Second Coming. Not to mention that there's that Other Person who shows up before Christ.
Look, "end times" could encapsulate any stretch of time. There are plenty who think we've been in end times for ages and ages; others believe the end times started when Israel became a state; yet others think the end times are just about to start.
Many thought the Holocaust was the end of the world. For many, sadly, it was. But what if all Christians worldwide had, at that time, just given up and said, "There's nothing we can or should do: it is the destined End Times"? You and I wouldn't be having this discussion here. Hitler would have attained world domination and who knows where his madness would have gone?
Then again, there has been a type of resignation that has gotten us to where we are now...maybe because we have been blessed with peace and prosperity for so long, we got comfortable, and forgot the value of Liberty...I don't know...
In any event...
If the rapture happens tomorrow: hooray.
If the rapture happens in a year: fine
If the rapture happens in 20-50-100-1000 years...
...what will the lives of our children and our children's children be like in the meantime?
...when they ask us, why we didn't do everything we could to protect them, what will we say? "Ooops; I was mistaken"?
I think I've rambled a bit off my main point...sorry 'bout that. My point here is, rather than despise them, we really need to persuade them and help them see. Especially since we hope to welcome them into our fold.