Maine is a SUCCESS
OK, so I decided to post this as a new thread because I am very frustrated at all the HATE that some of you guys are throwing at the RP campaign regarding the Maine Caucus results.
You all expected a big win and when you look at the results on yahoo or cnn you think HQ really screwed it up but you are wrong.
The MSM is reporting the results of a NON-BINDING straw poll and they are using those results to GUESS at the number of delegates that each candidate will get. What you need to know is that TWO things happen at the Maine Caucus.
1) A straw poll is taken. All the Republicans in town get together and cast a ballot. This is what the media reports.
2) Delegates are elected to the State Convention held in May.
Yahoo and CNN are only GUESSING on the number of delegates to the State Convention in May for each candidate. They are taking the straw poll results and ASSUMING that the delegates to the state convention will reflect this breakdown.
HOWEVER, the delegates are not bound by the straw poll results. You may have a case where Town X voted 90% for Romney but all of the delegates from Town X are RP supporters. I know for a fact that in one town RP got 40% of the straw poll vote but 85% of the delegates.
PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE FAKE DELEGATE COUNT THAT THE MSM PUBLISHES. There is no way for the MSM to know the # of delegates supporting each candidate because delegates do not state their preference until the State Convention in May. PLEASE DO NOT GET ANGRY AT THE RP CAMPAIGN STAFF. They did a great job in Maine because they understand how the Maine system works.
Just wanted to add a little Post Script here...
Thank you to all the RP supporters from around the States who sent good wishes to us here in Maine. There are still some towns that caucus tomorrow and I hope for the best there. We were very lucky to have Dr. Paul come and visit us last week and get us fired up before the caucus. HQ did a great job. I got phone calls leading up to the caucus to encourage me to show up. Also received a nice mailer a couple days before the caucus. The State Coordinator in Maine, Ken Lindell, showed up at the caucus and gave a fantastic speech (best by far on behalf of any candidate). The precinct leaders handed out a nice piece of literature that contrasted Dr. Paul's record with that of the other candidates. I think everyone did an excellent job. I would like to ask that anyone who still has a primary or caucus coming up, PLEASE just try to get one or two people to come with you! If everyone does this it will double or triple the vote total for RP. Also, become a delegate to your state convention (especially in states like Maine and Colorado). That is how we will win the nomination.





















Do You Hear The People Sing
Do You Hear The People Sing
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Other precincts?
any update from today?
Will we ever find out how
Will we ever find out how the other 32% of the precints voted?
Well, how the heck are we supposed to know?
All of these caucuses are confusing as all get out!~ and I don't trust the State GOP officials as far as I could throw them. They're being strongarmed to deliver against Ron Paul
Results from York Maine caucus today
Here's the run down.
presidential preference straw poll
Romney - 42
Mccain - 22
Paul -14
Huckabee - 1
Undecided - 1
Here is what I found interesting.
1. no ID"S checked
2. some people did not have to sign in others did
3 During the informational portion. Mccain had 2 supporters speak on his behalf, 2 others tried to speak negatively about Mccain and were shut down. Ron Paul had 5 people speak and others wanted to but they cut the time off. Romney had no one speak intitially, then when no one would speak, 2 people spoke because they said they felt they had to since no one else would.
4. It seems as though all 14 people (my wife and I included) who voted for Dr. Paul also became delegates. So I believe we got 14 out of 25 delegates to the state convention.
So the guy who gets almost half the votes can't even get a supporter speak on his behalf.
Also Ron Paul was the only candidate that had an official campaign presence there. I was also told by a caucus goer that my speech convinced him to vote for Ron Paul so I at least feel my time was well spent
This is EXACTLY why Maine was a SUCCESS
Ron Paul WON that caucus location - he received over half the delegates
This happened allover Maine. You will not hear the media report it because we are not "bound". Oh I guarantee you that the RP supporters are indeed bound. lol
Great News!
This is GREAT NEWS!!
Another great story
I love RP supporters - we are the little doers - chipping slowly away at the elite - person by person - vote by vote!
--Embrace your inner Paultard--
how do you know this?
considering there many sides to this story, I don't know what to believe. Is there a link backing up your point and how come there is no comment from Ron Paul's web site about this?
-c
Maine meetups had excellent organization
and everyone is reporting back their individual precinct numbers
in my town we got 42% of the delegates despite only receiving 22% (2nd place) finish in popular votes
Also, everyone needs to think about...
The best way to use your delegates to create a brokered convention, if Mcain is leading by a lot then you would swing your votes towards romney and vise versa. We can create the brokered convention as long as we play it smart.
Bump
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsley believe they are free."
-Goethe
I agree. Ron's no dummy.
I agree. Ron's no dummy. He has been doing this for a long time and so long as he has some money in the bank he can keep doing this. The key to the whole issue is a brokered convention. I can understand some peoples dissappointment, but one must have faith in Ron and the Cause.
Think about Washington at Valley Forge in defeat, his soldiers starving and freezing to death.
Don't give up, Ron knows what he is doing.
Stealth campaign - brilliant strategy
I don't know if y'all read it, but there was a post on here a while back from a former campaign staffer for Dr Paul who said that we're entering phase two of the campaign? This is what they were talking about. The other candidates are campaigning on a traditional platform of getting their smiling, waving selves up on people's TVs so they can shmooze their way to the nomination. What's happening with our campaign is ingenious, IMHO. We're quietly building an army of dedicated supporters on the ground - primarily through the precinct captains scheme and other things of that ilk - which is yielding genuine support at the level required to become a genuine force at a brokered convention. We have more delegates than Huckabee, by the sound of things, but we don't want to go trumpeting it from the rooftops because at the moment the frontrunners are attacking each other and that is great for our guy. He can stand off to one side, deliver a message that makes him stand out from that crowd, make them look like the squabbling schoolboys that they are and quietly build enough genuine support to swing the nomination come RNC time.
This is founded on his supporters keeping faith though, no matter what is arrayed against them. It is a campaign of We The People, not one man. I hope that we have enough thick skinned supporters out there to do that - and I believe we do. If we can fill the precinct captains program with enthusiastic bodies and the campaign continues to pick up delegates where the other candidates are relying on their fair weather suporters to make a commitment that requires far more than fair-weather support, then I really believe that we can win this nomination.
If we do, it will be the most remarkable presidential campaign I've ever seen or heard of, and it means that once the nomiation is secured, we will have a network of precinct leaders ALREADY IN PLACE who know their areas, know their target audience and are ready to mobilise en masse at the drop of a hat. No presidential candidate in history has had that. If we get the nomination, we'll win the presidency. And I do mean WE. This movement has single handedly restored my faith in people - and it had been severely lacking, believe me. I'm proud to stand beside you all.
Stay strong and keep the faith.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
great post
Keep the faith. It's all we have after all. If we lose they will usher in the NAU, REAL ID, Amero, and other nasty stuff. So it's Ron Paul or nothing for me.
Thick skin is in.
I am so grateful for posts like this one. Seeing as how I first voted for Ron Paul in 1984, I must admit to being very impressed with his current presidential bid. He has come quite a long way even in the last year. Keeping this revolution in perspective is difficult, but I am already blown away by the support that this lone congressman from Texas has garnered in just 12 months time. I can still recall the euphoria I felt when he announced the forming of his presidential exploratory committee, but that was nothing compared to the day he announced his candidacy...and after having done so in such a classy fashion, too. Dr. Paul gets his enthusiasm from us, he has said so on several occasions. I get my enthusiasm from Dr. Paul and from posts like this one.
It makes you proud
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'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip
Wake Up
We need a win, a no SH**&T win on Super Tuesday or Ron Paul the Republican will have to become Ron Paul the independent.
Cold Hard Facts!
KT
Cold Hard Facts
Ron Paul does need to win ... delegates. And the Delegates need to win State conventions; 5 of them to be precise. That's all. After that he just needs to keep winning the hearts of delegates. Those hearts will vote come the second and third ballot rounds in the national convention. I've seen this plenty of times in the LP conventions; it works as long as it's a close race between the front runners, and the vote is too close on the first ballot round.
So, perspective here:
#1: Win 5 state conventions to get into the national convention
#2: Win the hearts of the delegates so that, when the others are free to vote as they please on the second round, that they vote for Ron Paul
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For any spies on here. Good luck trying to stop us and remember every word. I won't be repeating this again.
Maine turn out to vote
catsome of portland, ME
Feb 3, 2008 11:49 AM
OK ONLY 170 people show up in Portland a city of 64,000. ( I'd say "liberal leaning" didn't have MUCH impact)
ONLY 250 show up for the whole COUNTY of kennebec--- population 100,000(?)
4,556 show up for the whole state-- population 1.25 million. granted 69% of attendees -- but that would still ONLY make the total an estimated and pathetic 6,000 turn out.
I'd say no matter WHAT candidate they choose the R party is in deep trouble in Maine...the only thing the R's do better then the D's is PR, spin and manipulting the press ..."vocal minority
so true
When I was going through the 700 pages of phone numbers in my town, there were like 7 Democrats to 1 Republican.
I think the Republican party is in deep trouble everywhere. Just look at the voter turn out for each side thus far.
Ron Beat John in NV by over 400 votes, 32% TO GO!
We can still get this one.
After Tuesday it's all about us.
Thank you for this information
it is comforting. Also, I now believe even more important than winning will be how many people have been awaken to the crisis that is happening under their noses. When things get dicey we want them aware of what is going on.
someone please explain...
Ok, so we've heard that despite the numbers in Louisiana, Nevada and Maine that it's the delegates that count and I agree. But WHEN will we find out how many delegates we really have in those states?? I keep hearing May is when these state conventions happen...will will really have to wait that long? HQ HAS to to have an idea what the total is.
Loose Lips Sink Ships
Why would HQ tell the opposition that we have them beat before we have it locked up?
I'm not saying it's true or false, but you have to know that all the delegates will be lobbied hard to change their support one way or another, and if we reveal our numbers, that won't help.
Further, nobody likes a candidate who assumes they own one's vote. Nothing could be worse than a candidate saying they won, and having the delegates resent it.
Patience. Ron Paul for the long haul.
IMissLiberty
if only
I could digg you up!
We're not on a boat, we're flying.
In other words, our momentum will carry us past their firewall.
Maine is a Success!!!
Delegates are what counts.
they are correct.
in Nv, in my precinct we had 8 delegates up for grabs.
we(RP supporters) got 7 of them.. but 21(out of 33) people voted for Romney.
They thought the vote would get the delegates. that's how most of these caucuses are going.
Just to let you know.
I am one of those delegates. ;)
Now THAT cheers me up!
Thanx!
Way to go.
i'm excited
that no matter what, paul has delegates, and gets to speak at the rnc
Thanks
It is so important that you posted this. Keep it bumped.
I don't see how this can be uplifting?
Romney 2,362 votes
McCain 958 votes
Paul 851 votes
Now tell me that show great support for Dr. Paul.
Looks to me we were swamped.
Here we go again waiting for the total delegates. We never got a real total delegate count out of Iowa, Nevada, or Louisiana.
Now other caucuses are coming! We will never know those totals either.
We are waiting for a recount in New Hampshire.
The other states that voted there were no delegates....Michigan, South Carolina, and Florida.
Hawaii had caucuses today... Guess we won't know that either.
When will this campaign tell us something?????????????
www.ronpaul2008.com
There is life at the end of the tunnel my friends!
Same thing that happened in Nevada
Same thing that happened in Nevada only I think we'll do even better in Maine when all is said and done.
>>>>>PLEASE DO NOT BE
>>>>>PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE FAKE DELEGATE COUNT THAT THE MSM PUBLISHES
Exactly! The old media is in the business of selling lies. They manipulate public perception by making people think things that are not true. They manipulate, distort, censor and smear....but they put their agenda on spin cycle - hit start, and magically create false perceptions in the publics minds.
The new media - us - are tearing the old media to shreds. We have the truth on our side, and freedom is popular! It is only a matter of time before the boob tube becomes irrelevant.
A major battle is going on between two competing formats...and we are going to win. We are already winning, we just don't know it ourselves yet.
We deserve some major credit, and we are being rewarded with network ratings in the gutter....and more people flocking to the new media.
Wow, Ron beat out Huckabee even in the caucus!
Ron came in 3rd. After Super Duper Tuesday, let's see what happens!
Keep in mind, folks, McCain and Huckabee HAVE NO MONEY to speak of to keep going through the national convention...and support is lessening for them both each day as "conservatives" are NOT happy with their current "front runner" choices!
Correction, Huck doesn't have much money...
and McCain has been raking it in. Several million in the past weeks. He's got money now. The Huffington Post reported that he raised 7 million in January http://www.huffingtonpost...
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"It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." William Randolph Inge
HQ is doing a good job
HQ is doing a good job considering the limited funds they have to work with (only enough funds to do basic media in only a few select states -- HQ asked for $24 million additional and has only gotten $5 million).
Calling all Ron Paul Reveres in Maine
We need you tomorrow!!!!
Thank you for this
This is a great encouragement. Remember we have to get involved in the delegate process or he will never win. The delegates are the ones who pick candidate ultimately. Get involved at every level and change will happen.
Healthnuttie for Ron Paul
just for general obvious awareness
MSM is not even reporting Maine as a Romney Win when they could "declare" it or "project" the win like they do in the other states.
So, did you expect that even if Paul placed first that he'd get some attention?
Portland Press Herald largest paper in Maine
Romney received 2,365 votes, or 52 percent of 4,558 votes cast, with 69 percent of caucuses reporting, according to the Maine Republican Party.
John McCain, Arizona senator, received 959 votes (21 percent); Ron Paul, Texas congressman, received 857 votes (19 percent); and Mike Huckabee received 271 votes (6 percent).
The votes are nonbinding. The party held caucuses to elect delegates to the state convention in May.
Addtional Republican caucuses are scheduled Sunday and later this month.
Guess who has the most delegates to the state convention? hehe
~Sheeple~
I don't like the term, but it does apply...lol. Listen, we're fielding deligates and that is what counts. For those of you that are whining about the ~sheeple~ not getting the message because it's not appearing on MSM, here's a news flash.. it WILL NOT, no matter what RP's placement is. It is OUR job to wake the people up, not the media's. ~SWAT~
Now take a deep breath and figure out a way to spread the message. I've a friend that is getting over a spinal surgury that is gung-ho RP. What does he do during the day? He gets online and finds a range of numbers in a random state/town. Then he cold calls the entire range.. he does this 8 hours a day. Just to get the message out. Everyone can do something.. find a way.
MSM will never help you, no matter the standings. This revolution is not about television or radio... it is about converting a person at a time until we are large enough to throw off the mantle. The current primary is a needed thing, true. But it is the MESSAGE that needs spread... as RP himself will tell you time and time again.
I agree wholeheartedly except for this
http://www.calltalkradiof...
we can still have a radio revolution!
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Very interesting
Even the AP story admits that it is just a conjecture as to how many delegates there will be.
So we do indeed have a very real shot at getting some real delegates out of Maine.
Even if we did win, the old
Even if we did win, the old media wouldn't announce it and the state of Maine would end up fixing the vote anyway.
Just like New Hampshire...why should we expect anything else?
Thank God our founding fathers set such an elaborate election system in place because without it Ron Paul wouldn't have a chance.
Ron's chances get better by the day, and he is perhaps at the strongest point yet and has yet to peak - that will come in September, in St. Paul.
Be a little more positive
cause its not over till its over and this revolution is just getting started.
The greatest enemy to this revolution is ...
ourselves. Keep in mind we are trying to win delegates not the popular vote at the moment.
It is not going to be easy to really change things!
We are running against extremely powerful and corrupt forces. Forces of Evil, really!!! They manipulate everything and get away with it all because they own this country! However, there's still hope.
Until the nomination no one has won anything! After the nomination, if it isn't Ron Paul who gets it, we should become a force to make sure people understand what needs to be done to save this country. And that is to invade Congress with Freedom lovers like us. People in this campaign need to run for office and chase these corrupt politicians out! Do you really believe we will get rid of these people by electing Ron Paul? Think again! They will do EVERYTHING, all the dirty tricks in their black little books to undermine RP's government.
We really are to blame! We allowed this cancer to grow and it's time we give it the right medicine. We need to kill these bad cells by taking over Congress! There's no other way!
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The greatest enemy to this revolution is ...
ourselves. Keep in mind we are trying to win delegates not the popular vote at the moment.