A Democrat should win, if Ron Paul cannot....
Submitted by Treg on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 17:12
Of course write - Ron Paul's name in when the time comes.... but Here is why I think we in the REVOLUTION should hope for a democrat to win, if Ron Paul cannot.
1st) First, the economic collapse is going to fall on someone, might as well be a democrat. The voting public will associate the democrats policy ideas with the economic collapse.
2nd ) Second, Republicans act like Conservatives when Democrats are in the white house...So I hope a Democrat wins.
3rd) I do not know about you, but I would REALLY like to get this WHITE Racism thing off our collective backs!!! I am so sick of it. You and I know it matters little, zero, but it will count for one thing, ending collective guilt for societal racism. Once Obama is in the white house, we can all say, Racism is effectively dead in America. Once Obama FAILS to be anti-war like his supporters THINK, then they will listen to the REVOLUTION next time in 2012.
When Obama FAILS to CHANGE things, then his supporters will listen to the REVOLUTION next time in 2012.
So, if Obama wins now = the Revolution wins later
Treg / Tempe, AZ
Voting for skin color
Voting for skin color IS rascism.
DEMOS GETTING 4 TIMES THE REPUBLICAN VOTES...
Even CNN and Fox HAVE noted that in the primaries the democrats are getting three to four times as many votes as the republicans... there is *no* way the republicans will win this time around....
LET GO THIRD PARTY AND PICK UP ALL THE DISSATISFIED VOTERS WHO WILL PICK RON PAUL AS THEIR ALTERNATIVE...
Stop Hating Democrats
You people that sit around and act like democrats are the "bad guys" are no more intelligent then those who won't hear out Ron's reasoning because it isn't the norm.
Democrats have run this country better than republicans in modern times and those of you that think it's still ok to try and sabotage or place blame on them are no better then the neocons.
I'm all for a dem winning, in fact if Ron doesn't run third party Obama will get my vote over any republican out there. He is simply a better choice. Corrupt? Maybe. Hard core liberal? Yes, but who cares?
The simple fact is the republican, democrat gap has closed, they are the same. Aside from the few meaningless arguments (outside of the wars of course) they are one central machine working against American people.
Wake up and stop playing their game.
Yer a nutcase
"Democrats have run this country better than republicans in modern times and those of you that think it's still ok to try and sabotage or place blame on them are no better then the neocons."
Oh Jesus....please smite this tribal goofy fool about the ears and ass. Please remind him which party governed well only in the early times and which party gave us the Federal Reserve and it's brilliant fractional reserve system, the depression, social security, Medicare, Vietnam, the instruction manual for the proper care and feeding of the military industrial complex, the department of education, the FDA and all of our other "successful" monetary and social programs that have lifted us to this position of power and grace that shall last for 1,000 years.
Wake the hell up. Democrats...my God. The reality is that they both suck but Jesus dude! Democrats run the country better? You need to get the stuff with seeds in it it's less powerful so it won't wack you out as much!
Nice
Nice showing of maturity, either way you bring up somewhat decent, yet meaningless points.
Do you even want me to name the things that the Bush administration ALONE has given us. It tops any of the socialized programs you mentioned.
Let me educate you in very simple terms. Democrats create large government to HELP THE PEOPLE. We know that those ideas don't work, but their intentions are almost always, as a whole, good. Not on an individual basis but as a whole.
The republican party creates large government to HURT THE PEOPLE. Regulations, destroying civil liberty, absolutely no religious tolerance, and most of all murderous wars.
A republican vote at this time is a vote for murder. A democratic vote is a vote for large governmental efforts that won't work. Only one of those can be fixed.
That is debatable ..
Your assumption that the democrats grow government "to help the people" is highly debatable.
Granted that is the rhetoric they use to sell the goods .. my parents told me that story over and over as a child .... but the actual motivation might be quite a bit different .. I personaly subscribe to the view that the core reasoning behind most EGALATARIAN actions is in fact self serving ..
Look up a guy named Norman Dodd or watch this for a teaser
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827
You Think The Dems Will Allow That?
They wont let you vote for Obama.
Its Hillary or the Highway .. Look at their "superdelegates".
The dems have been pre-selecting your choices since someone took aim at RFK and likely before ...
Just get used to saying "Yessah mastah" and you will be fine.
If I can't vote for Ron Paul
I WILL NOT VOTE !!!
If Ron Paul Can Not
Just remember that there are literally millions of people who think just like Ron Paul...they are called Libertarians...vote for the Libertarian Party candidate to send a strong message and allow more Libertarians to gain ballot access in future elections...consider joining the Libertartian Party!!!..
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"...
David Hume
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"...
David Hume
But do libertarians believe
But do libertarians believe that the war in Iraq war a mistake? do libertarians believe that we have too many overseas military bases? Do libertarians want to bring our troops home?
Please check out
www.antiwar.com It is a Libertarian site.
Umm,, yeah
Ever meet one that didnt?
Yep
That's my plan, too.
In talking with so many people during the course of this campaign, I truly believe we could start getting traction in local elections because so very many people are just fed up with the Republicans and Democrats. They just want to vote against our corrupt 2-party system.
Did They Let Jim Trafficant Out Of Prison?
He is the only Democrat I could ever listen to ... suppose thats why they locked him up .. Doing like 50 years for supposedly bilking taxpayers into roofing his barn .. umm, yeah right.
He probably has a cell right next to Noriega waiting for the plane ride to Guantanamo Bay ....
I'll fix them
I agree. If they screw Ron Paul, my plan is to get the sign of the Democrats nomination, attach it to my Ron Paul sign and go campaigning for Ron Paul and the Democrats at the same time. This will show the GOP that mistreatment has serious consequences(Blowback)
i got news for you a
i got news for you
a democrat WILL win if ron paul doesn't win
either way we're screwed if he doesn't win
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Just because
If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination doesn't mean we should go support the side of socialism. We will have universal healthcare, subsidized college tuition, amnesty, and tax increases shoved down our throats. Our country will be sold out to the interests of class & minority warfare. Does no one here know of the Libertarian Party? The party paul ran with in 1988...I think this is the only alternative if Paul drops out. Vote on principle, not popularity or "the lesser of two evils".
Great and all...
That's great and all if you want to vote on principle with Ron Paul, I respect that.
However, when there are hundreds of thousands of people being murdered in an ethnic cleansing that we are leading, I'm going to vote for the person that gets us out and has the chance to win. Granted a vote for Ron is a vote away from Republicans, but a vote for a Democrat from a past Republican is much more substantial.
Very True
And that is being done by the UN, which the Iraq conflict is a UN Resolution, not a US declared war. YouTube: Agenda 21
UN says the planet can only sustain 50 million people, and it's the UN jobs to eliminate the rest...I call the UN the United Nazis.
UN, Sure
I'm down with placing some blame on the U.N. but without the modern day U.S. Republican party we wouldn't be in this mess.
There were some that had insight, and only one was a Republican and that's why we supported him.
Haha
I guess its starting early. I was telling my friend the other day, that Obama being president would be White America's ace up the sleeve. It would be the answer to any claim of racism:
- "Hey that guy said he wouldn't give me a loan because I'm black!"
- "That's impossible, America voted for a black president, that proves that racism doesn't exist in the country anymore"
- "You're right, I must be mistaken."
-"Someone painted a huge swastika on my house!"
-"Well I'm sure the Ku Klux Klan was celebrating the election of president Obama by putting an Indian good luck symbol on your vehicle"
Seriously though. What if there isn't a later? People would want a crisis solved now. Which means they would embrace whatever band-aid solutions came along. Kind of like after 4 time president FDR showed us then, and Bush is showing us now. People might even think that electing a new party would be too risky, kind of like in the 2004 election.
IF SHE WAS THE LAST PERSON ON EARTH
I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY
Write in Ron Paul...
But --for the Revolution's sake-- hope Obama wins the Presidency.
Come 2012, when there was NO CHANGE, we can then court all the Obama supporters over to the Revolution.... get it?
Treg / Tempe, AZ
Obama
I could vote for..Hillary, NEVER
Um
A vote for Obama IS a vote for Hillary.. do the research.
A vote...
A vote for a republican is murder...do the research.
One thing is sure
Rest of the middle class will be wiped out in the following years.
And you thought this might just be a dog and pony show
this election...wait until 2012 when we are then the North American Union...LOL
No Internet (except for shopping and probably medical assistance since we won't be able to get into a Government run Doctors office), an increased police state...smile...youre on candid camera... etc. etc.
I will fill in RP's name
I will fill in RP's name and my guns loaded period
Good for you...
The revolution needs you...
If Paul doesn't win
kiss the US goodbye.
There wont be an election in 2012.
Davy C Rockett
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Oh ye have little faith in mother America
She may be down, but she is not out...
And the Revolution is here to save her....so just hang on.
Treg
how about we let YOU hang on out there...
cause the people we've been circling with are not so optimistic about this country. you see.....i believe that we all are citizens of the WORLD, not of some made up country that's set up on stolen property.
i'm on board with Ron the whole way. but don't try to guilt anyone into thinking that the US is tha shizznit cause it MFing ain't. get it?
read My Ishmael by daniel quinn.
have an earnest desire to save the world.
put america back in its place.
Why?
Because none of the democrats voted for HR 1955???
I have been told by my Democratic Senators Feinstein & Boxer that they are working hard to pass the Senate version of this bill for MY protection!
It's Ron Paul or BUST for this country!
Another thing you're forgetting
on the whole ~let the economy crash on the Democrat's watch~ deal.
Everyone has seen how our votes get manipulated, the population gets manipulated, etc, etc, in this election.
Right now, we still have free speech online.
In 4 years, we will not.
Thus, this is the last actual election in the United States... the one in 2012 will be 200 times as bad as this one, if there even is an election.
Oh ye have little faith in mother America
....and don't forget a little Yankee ingenuity too.
Well
I'm not saying that it couldn't still be fixed... but not peacefully at that point... which I'm prepared for and just fine with as well... ;)
party does not matter.
ron paul 2008
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if you build it he will come..........Ron Paul 2012.
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I don't think hope has
I don't think hope has anything to do with it. Besides Ron Paul, the Democrats have an easy win...it's practically guaranteed. But I do like an economic collapse on a democratic watch. Hell, how could it not happen, they spend money like water.
I Cannot Believe This
After knowing all the issues and principles of Ron Paul, why anyone would vote for anyone else in either camp is beyond me. It is almost traitorous. What happened to voting for the lesser of two evils propaganda everyone hates?
It seems to me that this kind of post is near to trolling.
There is no way I will settle for anything less than RP. I will make a stand and send a message to the Republicans. If RP doesn't secure the nomination, I will become an independent, UNREGISTERED. I'm done with the whole voting thing and any party. DONE. In fact, voting is a democratic venue. That means the mob rules. Not every single person is represented in voting like this.
We are suppose to be living in a REPUBLIC! not a democracy! Doesn't anyone UNDERSTAND THIS!!!!?
I'm done with this crap. Done. This country doesn't deserve Ron Paul to lead it.
The evil is so prevalent in this country and worldwide.
Amen Brother marhlfld
It's Ron Paul or nothing.
And feel free to flag this traitor's post. I know others have.
What is so traitorous about this post?
Please keep 3 things seperate in your mind.
1) The Revolution
2) Congressman Ron Paul
3) The RP Campaign HQ
Do not confuse these and you will be better focused for the real fight.
The REVOLUTION Gaining all of Obama's supporters in 2012 is not "traitorous" .... think man think!
Treg
Keeping A List
Of everyone who has been on this list for awhile and yet posts "stuff" like this. Why? Because I do not have much in common with you. You are quitters.
The Choices all belong to the same team. The socialist faction tends to move slower and put a real PR President in. One who will sooth the masses and convince them that everything is going to be okay...we are on the right track. The other faction may have to pull a false flag or turn up the terrorist/fear meter so they can come in for a whammy. Either way the course is set. North American Union. Universal Health Care along with don't even think about getting back your social security unless you submit to testing, innoculations for you and your children, state media, state education, etc.
And, guess what. The globalist businesses...even those started here...have all their operations offshore. Manufacturing...services. They finish off the job here and they have created their "new markets" overseas. Wipe out some of the population here with innoculations, whatever they are spraying, a few "terrorist" attacks here. Then the elitists who are either by birthright or convinced they deserve their positioning will have lots of room in the beautiful USA. Better yet, Mexico. It's beautiful once you move all the Mexicans over here. Hey, I didn't use to be a pessimist. The more you read, the more you see the big picture.
No Romney/McCain. No Huck (you were never in the plan any more than Edwards was). Hell no Hillary/Obama ticket. Vote or write in Ron Paul & join the Revolution. It is going to be quite a ride and we are fighting for the next generations. Vote for Ron Paul and in doing so you vote against the whole sorry lot.
fonta
If anybody write in Edwards.
The least of the evil
Vote for Obama, vote for Brezinski and the global elite
Do you really think that Obama is any different than the others?
Know who Brezinski is?
He's on Obama's team.
Think about it before you play the 2 party politics game.
Like I said before: except for Ron Paul, it's a choice between a Socialist or a Fascist.
I would rather write in the name of a Patriot like Ron Paul than ever ever (again) vote for a Socialist or a Fascist cloaked in Dem/Repub clothing.
Haven't we learned anything from the past? Write in RP or vote 3rd party if a decent patriot is on the ballot.
You want to vote for any of the "Frontrunners?" Then you are voting for totalitarianism.
Think I'm being dramatic? Read some history books about Germany and Italy in the 20's and 30's. We are there folks. How did we get there? By voting for the lesser of two evils. By buying into the Republicans and Democrats lies.
IT MUST STOP NOW AND IT MUST STOP WITH US!
No I don't think Obama is any different, that is exactly why
I hope he wins....
The disappointed Obama supporters who wanted "real Change" and an end to the Iraq War will get neither.
Thus I hope that WE in the Revolution will be able to sway over to us the upset anti-war voter and the Obama "change" voter in 2012. Get it?
Treg
I disagree. 2012 will be too late
Make a stand now in 2008.
Despite our best efforts
We are getting over run this time. We underestimated the power and bias of old media.
We are doing well considering where we started, and the Old media treatment, but not good enough to come close to winning. At best we can keep spreading the message.
It won't be over in 2012. Brezinski is more of a diplomat globalist, so the wars will be more limited than with McCain. Paul Voelker is endorsing obama, and he was the Fed Chairman that ended inflation - by jacking up interest rates. Remember 10 -12 % mortgage rates - that was Paul Voelker.
The EU took a long time to put together, and it was just recently that the Lisbon treaty sealed the deal beyond all hope.
I know some of those clowns of the banking elite.
I used to work in International Banking in NYC. I met David Rockefeller.
Ugh.
Sorry, I understand what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. I will not waste my vote. I will stand up for what is right. I'm through playing the politics game.
I AGREE
If no Ron Paul..
I am rooting and voting for Obama / Clinton.
I believe Obama will win..
I'm sick of the collective racism crap also. It's getting hard for a white guy to get a job in a lot of places.