Economic Collapse of Argentina and how we can prepare.

this fella is making some sense. When the SHTF, its going to happen in the blink of an eye. Our entire lives, country and future is going to shift dramatically. I hope there are some people that still believe in America when it happens.

This post provides good food for thought...but something does not add up. Not only his command of English, but his extensive knowledge of guns, specifically US models and calibers. i am pretty sure if most things are coming from china as he says then the firearms would be Russian and Chinese not US. Ammo would not be common US military like .308 it would be 5.56 NATO. No .38 snub nose...that’s a specific US police pistol. Argentina would use something like a Glock, a Makarov, or a Ballester Molina, possibly even a colt. He also references navy seals and "john freaking Rambo!" For a guy who knows limited English he sure knows pop culture and is able to write English perfect, complete with conjunctions!

So shit is so bad you need a gun everywhere you go...especially when you’re out buying Xbox games? You may have to defend these Xbox games shooting from a moving car with your weak hand? This guy tells me how ridicules facial cream is, and how i should fill up soda bottles with water that may last me a few weeks, then tells me how he enjoys DVDs and Xbox?

Hey asshole you may be able to afford that generator you want if you held off on Halo! And i bet you can find plenty of solar powered Xbox’s but no solar battery chargers!......This is such a load of BS! One minute you’re fighting for your life and the next your getting married and having kids. Saving up pain killers and using antibiotics? If both are available i would stock up on the antibiotics over pain killers any day. No power or clean water but no problem on oral surgery! No economy, but if you can't find it at your local black market you can just go to the supermarket? This whole story is filled with inconsistency. My only question is how so many of you feel it is for real?

Good food for thought...but i am calling BS on this one.

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Bump from Chile! Learning from experiences that happened in neighboring countries.

"Those that want to harm you/steal from you don’t come with a pirate flag waving over their heads."

Agreed.

I want to point out that my website, www.sniperflashcards.com, is NOT a survivalist site. When I advocate zeroing your rifle for 300 yards, I am talking about OFFENSIVE action against uniformed soldiers, not defensive action against civilian criminals.

My tactics page is titled, "How To Defend A City From Invasion Using Civilian Snipers as an Auxiliary to the Regular Army." It is NOT titled "How to Defend Yourself Against Robbers and Thugs."

Think Grozny or Sarajevo - that is what I am talking about, NOT Buenos Aires.

Against civilian criminals, my weapon of choice would be a Ka-Bar, with a weak-hand pistol as a backup:

1) Knives are faster to draw than pistols - I've won fights because the other guy had a pistol, not in spite of that. He stood flat-footed groping at his SOB holster while I stuck him in the ribs. If he'd boxed with me, he might have won - he was bigger, after all.

2) It is almost impossible to get a knife yanked out of your hand, especially if you hold it blade up (blade on the thumb side of your hand) with your finger over the little tab on the back of the knife.

3) After the initial few seconds, if they are still at it, you can hold them off with the knife while you draw your pistol with your weak hand - and, yes, the pistol should be in a weak-hand holster.

4) Even when you have enough warning to get your pistol out first, you will still need a big enough knife to cut off their hand if they grab your pistol. Autoloaders and revolvers can be disabled by grabbing them and preventing the slide from sliding or the chamber from revolving.

As for the rest of this post (water, food, gas, electricity, etc.), I'll leave that for the survivalists to discuss. My personal survival technique is to locate the nearest Outback Steakhouse - if that doesn't work, I don't know what I'd do. Probably cannibalism!

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Very nice. Added several items to my "survival list".

for posting this up, I sent it to my meetup groups!

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I am single, living alone in a town that is surrounded by Los Angeles City. In other words, it's a neighborhood, but in the middle of miles of urban settings with potential for chaos.

I've often thought about what I would do after an earthquake if we had days without power and other services.

The #1 thing: hold a block meeting with my neighbors.

Have them all show up (bring your own chair) and decide who's going to block the street at each end (to prevent looting), who has medical expertise, who can babysit, who can cook pot-luck style, how to conserve water, and mainly: how to make sure your neighbors remain calm and civilized. I'll certainly keep a libertarian approach. The key is to minimize fear. Fear does not produce good results.

Then, you invite the next street over to do the same.

Now, when I wear my screenwriter hat, I would not let this happen until the last act after lots of conflict and drama. ;) Which reminds me, I need to dust off the script I wrote in 1983 which is set after a monetary collapse.

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I was on the orginal board the author posted this on live there is more then posted above, the entire collection of postings is here I believe: http://www.frugalsquirrel....

At first we questioned his authenticity but soon realized he was the real deal. He goes by the handle Ferfal, He has a blog http://ferfal.blogspot.co...

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Another way to defend yourself is with a bow and arrow. Women can do this more easily than a shotgun. My boyfriend is a trapshooter and I am the archer.

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

This is OLD - I admit I dug it up on purpose. I thought in light of economic developments, it deserved another round.

thread die. We need to spread this information to help others. Peace

about your survival.

Survival requirements can be very different depending on circumstances. It's hard to be 100% ready for everything.
Basic survival skills for your area, anticipating a total shutdown of infrastructure for an extended period, and how you can get by, is the mind-set and preparation you need to do.

I may quibble with some of the author's points, but he presents some good information in general, and I'm sure it will be helpful to many.

terms of the U.S. dollar? As I understand, things got so cheap in Argentina during the crisis in U.S. dollar terms and it was a great opportunity to buy up good assets for those who had the dollars, mostly foreign investors.

So, what is the parallel between Argentina back then and the U.S.A? Well, as I understand, the Argentina debt was denominated in the U.S. dollar, and they could not pay the debt. Our debt is also denominated in the U.S. dollar. In my opinion, we are also likely to have a deflationary crisis in terms of the dollar just like Argentina when we can no longer service our debt. Also, in my opinion, the U.S. government cannot print the dollar just as Argentina could not because this is now up to the international bankers as I understand.

So, those who think that the U.S. government would just print its way out are simply fooled by disinformation, in my opinion.

As for gold, I think it is likely do what it always does: hold value in the long run. But, in the short run, especially during a deflationary crisis, I don't know what it might do. This is my concern. It might do well, but it might not. I think it is speculative.

So, if you are a rich person who has enough wealth that you want to preserve in the long run, I would think it's fair to say that gold has a good track record.

But, if you are trying to gain during the crisis with gold, this is very speculative, in my view.

In my opinion, it is a good idea to make sure that you have enough U.S. dollars to pay your bills and taxes before you participate in a speculation.

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to resurface. Peace

was full of useful information.

Thanks for sharing it.

Never knew things were that bad
down there.

I would quibble with this person in their advice to buy gold jewelry over gold coins or bullion. When buying gold jewelry (at least in the USA), one is going to pay many multiples of the value of the gold in a given piece of jewelry ---- for example, a $200 14kt gold ring might typically have only $15 or $20 worth of gold in it. It would be FAR better to buy any gold coins, even the higher-premium 1/10 oz. sizes, than to buy jewelry just for its gold value. You just have to know what the coins gold content is, and make sure you don't sell them to some sleazy junk gold dealer as he describes.

I'm sure it's not by the same person but it is a list of things to have on hand. I believe it was also written by someone from Argentina.

In Australia, it's not so much guns (because we aren't allowed to have them in our homes) but knives. Sydney is the "knife capital" of Australia so I've been told.

I spent three years learning Krav Maga (the fighting system of the Israeli military -- Krav Maga means "contact combat"). One of the things I had to do was fight a man with a knife. I survived and impressed the heck out of the man "attacking" me. It is easy to learn but ruthless -- we don't fight for points or to go to the Olympics, we fight to survive. Israeli children have fought off grown men using Krav Maga. If you don't have a Krav Maga trainer nearby, I recommend Jujitsu. That's my 10 cents for tonight.
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A very realistic look into what can REALLY happen in an economic collapse.

I think this is very good advice coming from first hand experience.

Sad, but definitely true. I am sure.

Peace,

-Liberty Girl

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how did I miss this????

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It was written on frugalsqurriels forums, like the writer wrote in the first paragraph. It's what they meant by "posted on the subject here at Frugal’s".

It is an international survivalist community, with lot's of discussion about Argentina.

It is also a copyright essay, and Frugal is asking people to stop posting this around the web. Here is a link (Easier to read too)
http://www.frugalsquirrel...

I worked with a 30+ year old gentleman who was from Argentina who was there when the collapse occurred and he said it was really rough when the max they would allow them to withdrawl was $500, and he had 40K+ in his account.

Basically, they're understanding was "eh, so what, tough luck..."

I have yet to read the article, but I wanted to share my thoughts on this, I believe it's very important to learn from history and not repeat the mistakes made by others.

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I seriously question the authenticity of this article. The English and idoms do not bespeak someone from Argentina. Everything about the article suggests it was written by an American - Do they really have orange jumpsuits for prisoners in Argentina, too? TSHTF? This is an American idom, not Argentina. I doubt this is an authentic piece. If it were, could we not expect some source or credit?