Why the negativity towards the Christian faith?

RP's support comes from all over. Yes there are christians here and many other People here don't fit into any mold, and the're likely opinionated.

We have both sides here. makes for interesting debates.

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"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

It just has NO place here. I don't want to hear about private religious beliefs here. Keep it to yourself please. Go to the religion forums to talk about it.

The reason I have some disdain for many Christians is that they blindly follow and accept an exceptionally poorly written collections of books that was pasted together for political reasons. Also, it seems to me that many christians are more concerned with the mythology of christianity than actually following that advice of Jesus. You can be a good christian without all of the dogma.

As a Christian I find RP supporters, even the ones of the Atheist variety to be very welcoming. Offering me freedom and respect of my religion as long as I tolerate their faith, or their lack of faith. What I have found objectionable, especially over the last 12 years in the Republican party is the way the party provocateurs try to 'Guilt-Trip' me in to voting for their agenda. They'll tie their cause to some perceived religious values, and make it seem like I'm a bad person if I don't support it.

Sure, some Atheist or Agnostic RP supporter might say an unkind thing or two, but at least I know they are frustrated at a situation and it's not personal. When they calm down they will apologize if they overgeneralized their comments and a reasonable discussion can occur.

be nice and play nice, and don't push your religion down peoples throats, the inquisition is over!

...trying to divide and conquer. Others just hate Christianity.

Unfortunately, atheism and secular humanism are at the root of socialism, communism and fascism. Moral relativism is the reason that politicians (including phony Christian ones) don't follow the Constitution. Freedom is for a moral people; the tyranny facing America is directly correlated to the moral relativism of the American people, including self-styled Christians. It is quite instructive that America has become more totalitarian AND less committed to a true Christian faith and living at the same.

In any event, I'm for liberty for atheists because I believe in freedom of conscience. But don't try to tell me that I need to keep my faith and beliefs out of the public square.

A careful driver was being tailgated by a stressed-out woman on a busy boulevard. Suddenly, the light turned yellow just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection.
The tailgating woman hit the roof--and the horn--screaming in
frustration as she missed her chance to get through the intersection.
As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, finger printed, photographed and placed in a holding cell! After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk
where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects. He said, "I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him. I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to Sunday School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Ichthus emblem on the trunk. Naturally, I assumed you had stolen the car."

Aspera ad Astra
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
Atheist Pothead

Perhaps this is part of the reason....

Bush, in his State of the Union address yesterday and in a public appearance in Baltimore today, called on Congress to make his faith-based proposals permanent. Congress has refused to adopt key parts of the plan because it would roll back civil rights laws barring religion-based hiring discrimination and open the door to publicly funded preaching

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Government subsidies to religious organisations is beyond dangerous. Part of the reason the founders created a republic is because they were very aware of the dangers of a theocracy,where, for example, the power of the *authority* of the Roman Catholic church tortured and put people to death for such things as *worshipping on Saturday* (fourth Commandment) and *reading the bible*.

Government intervention in religion, by funding or otherwise, clearly creates a dangerous situation for freedom of religion in the long run.

Atheists, agnostics and people of other faiths clearly see this as a danger - while some Christians think it a good idea, because it seems to help their agenda.

I think it is dangerous for *anyone*, including Christians.

it is not religion, it is the way politicians want to wrap religion around their neck, it is disgusting, the bible itself says it to not exalt ourselves, let others do that for you. Mike huck-a-bee yes, i am compassionate, if he is so compassionate, he should stop the bombing in Iran but, no, he wants more war, and people are so blind, Yes i want huckabee because he is religious,

religious murderer that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"RON PAUL IS NOT LOSING, AMERICA IS.
HE CAN FIX IT, WITH OUR SUPPORT"

and neither do true Paulites. "we get out rights, from our CREATOR, as individuals" - Ron Paul, 1st South Carolina debate

Religion has no place in politics.

Why not concentrate on what unites us (Ron Paul), rather than what divides us (religion, race, gender, etc.)?

The Democratic Party it the party of group politics, if you are so worried about groups, why don't you go there. I'm sure they will be more than happy to divide and conquer you, just like the rest of this nation.

the big problem: "organized religion wants to own the path to heaven."

to me, faith is such an abstract word that it means nothing out of context; the smaller problem comes when faith is put into context.

My reason. 60% of Kansans voted for Mike Huckabee, mostly because of the abortion issue. I absolutely hate this issue. I wish it would go away, but it never will! It will always be an issue. It comes up every election cycle, and it is as if it was the most important issue. But, it's not. Yet, election after election, the Christian conservative base is energized into a frenzy to vote, and it pretty much always comes down to abortion.

Case in point. There were people in line at the Kansas Caucus with duct tape over their mouths with the word "LIFE" written on it, and they were supporters of Huckabee. Huckabee was in Kansas drumming up the religious vote, and most of these folks believe it is their civic duty to vote. For most of them, the only issue they look at is whether or not the candidate supports abortion. Nevermind, if they are in favor of continuing the occupation of and bombing of innocents in Iraq to the tune of over a million dead.

Abortion is a horrible practice, but as a libertarian, I don't pretend to know what is best for someone else. My libertarian views lead to the idea that only you know what's best in your life, whether the issue is abortion, drugs, whatever. Ron Paul has a position on the issue as a doctor, and I respect his view on the issue. Ron says that we should not have a federal ban on abortion, just as we should not have a federal law allowing it. It's not an issue for the federal courts to decide, and it should be left up to the states.

When Ron Paul announced his candidacy, I thought here is a candidate that is pro-life but has a reasonable position on the issue that both sides could agree on. I thought, this should be a states' rights issue. If California wants to allow it they can. If Kansas wants to ban it, they can. But let's let each state decide. I thought that we could FINALLY have an election that was not decided solely on a candidate's stance on this issue. I have pro-choice Democratic friends that disagree with Dr. Paul on the abortion issue, but they respected that his position came from a principled view based on his interpretation of the Constitution. For them, it was a non-issue, because they agreed that there were much more important issues (economy, national sovereignty, loss of civil liberties, respect for the Constitution, etc etc.). And, I thought that the Christian base could be motivated to support Dr. Paul's unflinching pro-life views.

I was obviously wrong. Apparently, it's not enough to have a consistent pro life candidate. It's not enough that this candidate is an OB-GYN that delivered over 4,000 babies. It's not enough to have the endorsement of Jane Roe. No, it seems that most of these people will not stop until all abortion is banned at the federal level.

But, face it, they are hypocrites. If you are truly pro life, then you should be like Ron Paul and support life in all its forms, whether it is the right of the unborn, or the right of a foreigner to not be bombed by our empire, or the right not to be put to death by your government. Who would Jesus bomb? No one. Jesus wouldn't be bombing innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. How any person can claim to be a Christian and support killing of any life is beyond me. Why isn't the protection of life in all forms their issue?

After all, it's not like these Christian conservatives stop buying Chinese products at Wal-Mart. China has a one child policy that leads to back alley abortions of unwanted female children. Some even resort to cannibalism of the aborted fetuses in the poorer regions. China has an atrocious human rights record. They harvest organs of Falun Gong practioners and have mobile execution vans. An atrocious anything-but Christian country. But, most of these so-called Christians conservatives still shop at China Mart.

I would also submit that some of these people are for abstinence only education, which is naive to think their teenagers will not have sex. Numerous studies have shown that children of religious parents are just as likely to engage in premarital sex. Many of them become pregnant and are afraid to tell their parents, so they have abortions. 1.2 million abortions last year in the U.S. That is a ridiculous number, and it is sad to me. But, if your goal is to truly prevent abortions, shouldn't you want to encourage people to use birth control, condoms, etc?

Also, for people that are supposed to understand the metaphor of the wolf in sheep's clothes, these are the same evangelical voters that brought us George W Bush. Here is a guy that started a war with Iraq, is hell bent on going to war with Iran, is shredding the Constitution, and says torture is acceptable, yet people voted for him solely on his claiming to be "born again."

I have a strong respect for all persons that consider themselves to be spiritual, and I respect anyone that has a desire to understand why we are here and to understand the meaning of life. But, I have a disdain for those who believe they know what's best for me. I disdain those that want to impose their view of morality on others. If they were truly God fearing Christians, then they should also know that only God can judge me. So, my disdain is towards those that say they'll "pray for me" just because I have a different interpretation than they do. A friend of mine was told this very thing by a Huckabee supporter just because my friend said he was going to vote for Dr. Paul.

So, to me, to answer your question, it is the latter that I have an issue with.

…or something useful and get this inappropriate subject off of the DP. If you seriously wish to annoy people (like now) then join the LDS church and go out witnessing. Come to my door and get my boot up your A%#.

People would rather see a sermon than hear one. So keep your pie hole closed and show us how wonderful Christians are (without the phony B.S.)

Every time I think Christian, I think:

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"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

Pro-war christians have a warm seat in hell waiting for them....there will be no forgiveness for the deaths of the innocents.

The problem is with the attempt to extend your faith beyond your own skin!

I will absolutely defend anyone's right to whatever belief system they hold
... even though...

Personally I am a scientist...I do not BELIEVE anything without repeatable evidence. So, I am an agnostic. I saw a t-shirt the other day...made me LOL...it said " Militant Agnostic: I don't know...and neither do you!" My son wants to start a band called "Agnostic Jihad" just to piss off all the right people...LOL

The negativity I see directed at some Christians, the ones I call Christofascists (that are just like Islamofascists or Judeofascists or... ) is because of their insistence that we all live by their rules! And the desire to have this codified into law! Think Huckabee and his "easier to amend the Constitution that change the word of a living god" EEEEEEEEK!!!!! That statement alone made my blood run cold...

I have no interest in living by anyone elses rules...especially rules set up to make someones version of the imaginary guy in the sky happy...

I have friends that belong to every major religion on Earth...and several less known ones as well...what they all have in common is a willingness to answer questions and discuss their faiths without demanding that we all behave and believe as they do. Also, an ablilty to shut up about it when people don't want to hear it can be valuable... :)

I will admit to having somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction sometimes to the introduction of "Christian" topics... because it is awfully hard to have a reasoned argument with someone that is arguing from the standpoint of "my god said it...therefore it is..." Even though I know mant extremely intelligent Christians...it is awfully easy to just go..."moron"...when someone starts an argument off with bible verses...unless of course the argument is a theological one...

Dave

Teaching Flying...and talking Ron Paul...and Liberty!

If he walked into the Vatican.

Say what you want, but don't mess with Santa Claus or you'll get a lump'o coal in your stocking.

It's not about Christianity in general (of which I count myself as one) it's about the Evangelical/Fundamentalist sector that has pervaded the faith and blindly attached itself to the Neoconservative movement in this country. They do not think as much as follow and therefore many Christians feel their faith has been "sold out" by these people.

I might take some heat for this, but I stand by my experiences. Please keep in mind that does not apply to all believers, this has just been my experience.

I became a believer about 9 years ago. Notice I didn't say Christian or born again, more on that later....

After spending time in several "churches" and even working in a "Christian" school for a couple of years as a teacher, I have come to realize some things:

1.) The true believers and followers of Christ are far and few between.
2.) Many people who claim to be "Christians" do nothing more than judge, condem, and act as if they, by the grace of God, are holier than others.
3.) Some want nothing to do with non-believers.
4.) Many "Christians" want this war with Iraq and to spread more wars in the middle east. Since when is God in the business of making war?

Since becoming a beleiver, I have:
1.) witnessed Christians that gossip with the best of them.
2.) been part of a church where the "Pastor" had an affair.
3.) Seen people kicked out of a church and the school if those people didn't conform to the exact way things are "supposed to be done" even though they really did nothing wrong.
4.) I have had professing Christians lie right to my face and I have witnessed them lie to others.
5.) met "Christians" that turn out to be the most hypicritical people I have ever met. I know athiests that are more honest.

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I do not consider myself "Born-again" because I have no right to make that claim. I have no right to claim that my soul has been saved. Only God has that right. It is His decision, not mine. The arrogance of some to say they are in God's grace because they said a prayer of forgivness, go to church, raise their hands in worship, or read the Bible is beyond me. I have witnessed others that say a sinner's prayer and nothing changes in the way they live their lives, yet they walk around claiming they are "saved". They have no right to claim that they are saved.

I believe in the Lord and why He was sent here. I do my best to follow his ways and could only hope I will be in His grace one day.

I expect violent responses from "believers"

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A perfect God is not made imperfect by imperfect people.

Like the courageous Chuck Baldwin, among others. But I suspect for most the problem isn't the religion. The problem is the slimy "leaders" whose political agenda repeatedly causes them to ignore their own religion's teachings.

And worse-yet, the politically-connected ones like Pat Robertson tend to be noticed by our biased media in their biased quest to ignore the courageous exceptions. This behavior allows an obviously-biased news media to avoid any intellectual debate over what Christianity actually teaches with regard to things like war. 9/11 changed a lot of things, but one of the things that did NOT ever change was Saint Augustine's wise words regarding "just war."
JMR

And some happen to be religious, and some happen to not be.
I find that Ron Paul supporters are much more informed about what's going on in the world than people who will blindly vote for one of the corporate "old media" candidates for frivolous reasons.
I haven't seen the "lot of negativity" toward Christianity that you claim is on dailypaul.
This website is about electing the next President of the United States.
You either support the things that Ron Paul believes in and is fighting for, or you don't. It's that simple.

Thou shall not kill (why do so many christians turn a blind eye to this?)

We want every religion to have the same relationship with the Federal Government. None. Neither influence over or persecution under the Non-secular government.

This isn't anti-christian. It is pro-tolerance and religious freedom, including: the freedom - Not to believe.

unless you knock on my door and try to shove it up my nose... Then we got a problem. Other than that, no problem at all.

Ron Paul 2008, Join or Die!

DONT TREAD ON ME

AN APPEAL TO HEAVEN - WASHINGTON'S CRUISERS

My flavor is Biblical Christianity. I am also a constitutionalist. I read the bible in its original historical context. I don't like historical theology, or liberation theology, or liberal theology, Just give me the Jesus from the book.

I don't worship the cookie god, or the queen of heaven, don't even like the two so called Jesus holy days, xmas and estar. Zeitgiest makes assumtion that all christians are part of the Romish cult. Don't wish to offened but I gots to follow truth thats why i am here.

I am the least religious pastor you will ever meet. But I know my shit and just cant type fast enough to try to persuade anyone with intellectual aurguments.

It comes down to this anyway "If you want to know you can know . . . if you don't want to know half truths and false aurguments can keep you sane.

Knowing what I know I can't pretend its not true and what is to come for people who don't believe was to brutal for me to ignore. If you can thats fine I belive you have the freedom to live however you want . . . and will respect you for it.

I did'nt want to end up on a spit roasting on an open fire.

But one day there will be justice for all . . . yes, for the evil globalists and for you and me.

In Love
Pastor Paul

Watch freedomtofascism.com

I am a born again Christian.

I am ashamed of many of the so called Christian organizations and Christian News services that I have supported.

I see now that they are run by the spitt'in images of what Jesus himself spoke against.

Christians, read your Bibles regularly and learn what Jesus wanted for you. Speak out against those in the Church that Jesus would have spoken out against.

Face it.. Most of the 501(c)(3) Federal Tax Exempt Churches and Organizations are now serving the beast; just as the synogogs were in Jesus' day.

Hope is fading fast...

Ron Paul 2008, Join or Die!

DONT TREAD ON ME

AN APPEAL TO HEAVEN - WASHINGTON'S CRUISERS

Just what Ron Paul wants to uphold. Your right to free speach. PLEASE share with LOVE.We are all in this toghether. Regaurdless of our beliefs.
No need to bash any one. Even McCain. Let him look in the mirror. We need to gather together and put out GOOD VIBRATIONS. PEACE

the church has been hijacked long time ago. most of the churches now are the mirror of the media. when bush announced his decision to go to war, the priests were calmly asking the people to follow the president, that god supported bush.
and after all the bloodshed for so many years, when nobody trust bush, the priests were quick to find the positive on the bush government, they said to the mass that at least with bush the abortion was not legalized. But the people has short memories, and seem to have more important stuff to care for.
Christians mostly are good persons(kind of sheep) and I highly value the Christian faith, and I consider that whoever despises the Christian faith must remember that those communist in and eager for power and control, is just what they want. when the communists took the power in every country, one of the first thing they did was to prosecute the priests, and teach atheism and make fun of all who believe in god.
in communist countries there is no Christmas, the children are tough that god does not exist since the first day at school. You may wonder what's their obsession with that, but knowing them you may figured out already that is nothing good.
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How many Christians here voted for the stealth socialist, Bush 43? Once? Twice? And of the plurality of Christians nationwide that hold their Bibles in higher esteem than they do their Constitution; that Karl Rove can play like a fiddle and as they now euphorically support the socialist Huckabee. They have a lot of explaining to do…

I'm not a Christian but I have a great deal of respect for anyone who has faith. Faith takes courage - no matter what you place it in - because it means trusting in something because you feel that it is right to do so, not because it's well supported or proven beyond doubt.

I see a lot of positive Christian posts on this site - organised prayer and fasting days, for example. This is wonderful, IMHO. I do also see a lot strangely snippy - or outright hostile - comments from people who seem to be offended at the mention of a Christian principle or sentiment.

Please, everybody - if you feel this way about Christianity, or Islam, or Buddhism, or gun ownership, or anything else; regardless of what your reasons may be, please just focus on the reason we're all here. It's not to convert each other to whatever personal causes we may have on these subjects, it's to support the Ron Paul movement and, through this, to take America back for its people. So let's please just look past our differences and focus on all we have in common.

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I’ve never met anyone who hates Christians. Many people probably dislike the in-your-face pushiness and Holier-than-thou type of attitude many seem to demonstrate but on the other hand these same people would fight for your right to be Christians or anyother religion you wish to be. Speaking for myself, what bothers me is a universal lack of understanding, as to the source and history of where their religion comes from. If they would close their Bibles and take a step back for a couple of minutes and apply a little common sense and do some research they would become far more knowledgeable and replace blind-faith with true understanding of the foundation of their believes. Do any of them realize that there are presently over 8,000 different Christian churches in this country alone, all of whom share the same Bible but yet none two can agree on the meanings contained within the Bible? How many of them know that there are over 150 different Christian Bibles, that there are over 67 names for God. That the Bible tells us that Jesus was crucified in two different places. How many know that the crucifion story is shared by nine other religions that were practiced long before Christianity? Also, that the first Christian Bible in the World were the writings of the Gnostic teachings that existed for a period of 325 years before the writing of the first Roman Catholic Bible. It was King Constantine in 325 AD who crowned himself the first Roman Pope and moved his seat of power from Rome to his new renamed city of Constantinople in Turkey, who felt that having one single Roman Religion with only one Bible for all of the citizens of Roman Empire would reduce conflict between the multitude of religions and as a Pope easier for him to control the many different people, with different backgrounds living in the same Empire. To make a long story short, his Bishops chose an estimated 1/3 of all of the existing religious books utilized by the Roman’s during that period of time and rolled them into one single book, editing as they when along so as to include a little from each of the different religions in order to make it more acceptable to all. Then they burned all of other religious books in the Empire and by law made everyone in the Empire overnight a Roman Catholic. Soon they split the Empire in half by drawing a line between Italy and Greece and then created two Pope’s, one called the Western White Pope based in present day Rome and the second called the Eastern Black Pope based in Constantinople. Their titles are derived by the clothes they chose to wear. This was done for management purposes, in that the Empire grew so fast that this was the best way to manage. This hasn’t changed in over 1700 years. Many wars have been fought over the years between them to maintain this straight line between both factions. The last series of battles took place when the USSR, backed by the Russian Orthodox church following WWII reached across the line and incorporated a number of countries in the White Pope’s territory on the west side of the line, including Poland. Pope John and President Reagan worked hard to free those countries and of course finally did. Once again straighten out the line between the two. Most wars over the years have been fought in the name of religion than for any other reason but in reality, the root of these wars was financial gain.

Know....I am convinced RP and us need to spread this wide and clear
On February 9th, 2008 sunliner70 says:
This whole Mid East baloney and terrorism is directly linked to our US$ losing its #1 position and value, inevitably, as the world's reserve currency in the Mid East trading oil market. Everyone needs to understand now this is what is at stake the inevitable decline of the US$ dollar. If the Islamic nations get their way the dollar is worthless, and the US has to blame the Islamic jihad. It will happen either way with or without RP but it will be better with RP. Please spread this far and wide. All the others like Dobson,et al they are trying to hide it behind islamo-facist jihad, just because the Islamic people are tired of being extorted. The dollar and Christians what a thought in having a reason to kill the innocent.