Attention RP Fundraisers-Now or Never
Deposits (PowerVote style) vs Donations
Note: I made some changes at the bottom of this post that should make the descripton of the PowerVote transaction easier to understand.
See powervote in the raw for yourself at http://powervotenow.com
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
** Deposits, PowerVote style, are far superior to traditional political donations. These deposits are new and very different than anything you have ever heard of before. They are also far superior to bundles or soft money.
** The reason deposits, PowerVote style, are superior is that they are raw cash that is legally free from powerful government regulations that restrict the power of traditional donations. THIS FREEDOM REQUIRES A WHOLE NEW PARADIGM. Forget influencing elections or getting people elected, that’s old school. Instead, THINK IN TERMS OF CONTROLLING ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE BODIES (STATE & FED) WITHOUT INFLUENCING ELECTIONS AT ALL. Think in terms of getting the legislation that you want without giving any money to any politicians...ever!
WARNING: Understanding why deposits, PowerVote style, are superior is probably over the head of the average bear. Ron Paul’s supporters can make these deposits though without understanding the mechanics of what makes them work. Trusted leaders of the movement are the only ones who need to know the mechanics and why it will work.
DEPOSITS--POWERVOTE STYLE
Why settle for the Presidency when you, Ron Paul and his contributors can control Congress and all 50 state legislatures? If you can raise enough money to crush the political career of just one lawmaker (which you’ve already proved that you do), then Ron Paul can become a powerful whip to herd lawmakers in a way that has never been done before.
Why settle for electing the next president (or not) when you can make history as big as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Ron Paul supporters seizing control of legislatures nationwide is far more powerful than electing a president. More importantly, you’ll be showing your fellow Americans how to be free and join the revolution. You just need to spend a few minutes learning how to restructure the transaction that you use in your fundraising so that it is free from certain campaign laws. It’s easy, but it’s different. You’ve never heard of this before.
Why work for free when you can get paid at free enterprise levels for your accomplishments? The solution that I’m proposing here is pretty much unregulated. Now you can earn what you are worth. In exchange for changing the history of the world decisively and quickly, I expect that you’ll earn a lot as in “millionaires.”
If you’re politically sophisticated, you probably know about bundling. What you are reading about now is much more powerful. Bundling forces contributors to lock into a certain candidate. When your main purpose is to heard cattle, not whip a certain beast, you must be free to crack your whip loudly to drive the herd and only, very occasionally, wack whatever beast you choose whenever you choose. If you take the action described here, you will have that freedom...now!
Maybe you know about soft money. There is nothing soft about the whip that you’re reading about here. It’s all hard money. There’s no legal limit on how powerful this whip can be.
I’m a CPA. I’ve known how to legally create this whip for many, many years. The catch has always been that my system, which I call PowerVote, only frees small donors united behind a cause from key campaign finance laws. It does nothing to free corporations, unions or the wealthy from their legal limits. This is a rare moment in history. Never before have so many people put up so much money behind a man and a cause for no personal benefit other than the cause itself. The power is now here. It just needs to be formed into a powerful whip that will cause lawmakers to flee for their political lives. It’s a whip Ron Paul can use to drive the legislation you and he stand for.
I just read that RP is scaling down his campaign. The moment in history is now. The time to seize control of the government is now. Every minute of inaction threatens failure by loss of momentum. I have no more time to spend selling you on a great new future for you, your country and mankind. Here’s how it works:
The key to PowerVote is the scoreboard that appears on the front page at http://www.powervotenow.c.... Each line item shows an amount of money under “Deposits,” a name of a political leader under “Whip” and a demand for political action. The deposits show how badly the depositors want action. As already mentioned, the Whip is the person whom the depositors most trust on the issue.
The amount of deposits shows the power of the Whip. The more money, the louder the whip cracks. These deposits will truly be feared by lawmakers like nothing else known to man. There is no legal limit on their aggregate value that the Whip can direct into defeating a lawmaker. If PowerVote shows $20,000,000 in deposits in support of a Whip, then the entire $20,000,000 can be converted into HARD MONEY political contributions. This money can all be contributed to a lawmaker’s strongest challenger during the next election. Again, the defeat of the targeted lawmaker is NOT the goal, but it is what makes the whip crack so loudly. This whip represents almost certain political death for all but a tiny minority of the most famous lawmakers. Who cares about them as long as you can control the rest of the herd?
Unlike bundling, the $20,000,000 of our example is not locked into any one candidate. You can’t drive a heard if you’re locked into whipping just one beast. You need the flexibility to crack your whip from beast to beast in order to keep them in line. Unlike PACs, the entire $20,000,000 is free from the $5,000 per candidate limit that cripples PACs. PACs are the equivalent of driving a herd by giving each beast one small handful of feed or hitting them with a miniature flyswatter.
What makes PowerVote Deposits so free? PowerVote deposits merely prove how much money you would contribute to a campaign targeted by your Whip. Any actual contribution of the deposit (in the rare instance that a beast beating becomes necessary) is totally under your control. The contribution would only be subject to your personal legal limits, not the group’s or the Whip’s. The Whip can direct the deposit into the targeted campaign because you subscribed to receive advice from the Whip that will accompany your refund. Furthermore, as part of the PowerVote process you also subscribed to receive everything you need to send the refunded deposit to whomever the Whip advises.
Here’s why PowerVote should prevail if legally challenged. PowerVote depositors are using their First Amendment protected speech to show how badly they want political action on the PowerVote scoreboard. Proving this can help attract financial support for a cause, determine its financial strength and give lawmakers a chance to take the action necessary in order to avoid the expense of influencing an election. Simultaneously, PowerVote depositors are using their First Amendment rights of free press to subscribe to a publication that advises them on where to make a campaign contribution and whether or not such action is even advisable. In targeting lawmakers, the Whips are merely using their freedom of speech to publically announce what course of action that they plan to advise.
Now, you could ask the FEC if this is all legal and you could do that for free. Personally, I wouldn’t care what they said. This is a First Amendment issue, not a FEC issue.
How PowerVote works may be a little complicated, but making a PowerVote Deposit is simple. You just send an amount of money into a Whip or somebody else who’s willing to serve as a custodian of the deposits. Half the money you send in is considered a PowerVote Deposit. Watch the value of deposits grow in support of your issue. As the value grows, you’ll notice lawmakers react in one way or another. At first their reaction will probably be “a crackpot idea” and accusations of illegality. Next as the number grows, expect the reaction to turn to condemnation and alarm. If the number keeps growing, you should get what you want as lawmakers one by one flee from the Whip and support the action that you want. If your Whip targets properly, politicians will choose political life over political death. All this should occur at number values far smaller than what a candidate like Ron Paul recently raised for his Presidential bid. For a fraction of the cost of his campaign, his supporters could have seen their political agenda passed as law without anybody spending their deposits.
To finish the description of the mechanics of PowerVote, after you send in your money, the Whip or other party informs PowerVote of the amount of the deposits they hold and we verify it. (Note: PowerVote only verifies the amount for political purposes, we don’t guarantee the deposits will be refunded properly unless we hold the money.) PowerVote posts on its scoreboard the verified amount of deposits in support of the Whip and the corresponding demand for action. To use the amount to herd lawmakers, the Whip would only need to make public his target priorities. Whips can use PowerVote to make this info public if they so choose.
The Whips can use the other non-deposit half of the money however they choose. Attracting deposits and selling subscriptions costs money, as would returning the deposits in a fashion that would make it easy for depositors to follow the Whip’s advice. A Whip can return deposits whenever he or she chooses. The depositors also can request a refund of the deposit whenever they choose. There is no right of refund at any time for the non-deposit portion of the money.
It’s now or maybe never. You might be the one who takes advantage of this power by acting first, but then again, it might be somebody else. To get going on this, contact Ron Paul at http://www.ronpaul2008.co... and let him know there's a powerful new weapon at his disposal. You can also contact me personally with your thoughts at jtodaro1@wowway.com or call James A. Todaro at (734) 981-6026. I can answer any questions that you may have and I can make sure that I’m set up to do my part, whatever that may be.
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Anyone who donates to this deserves what they get.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
Donations-bad word
Do you get it?
ColdFusion
ColdFusion... please make a demo/sample page... make it presentable... thereafter, we may get some constructive input... people at HQ now about this idea...
Please Share
Who knows and what do they think?
www.eteli.com/pv.htm Have
www.eteli.com/pv.htm
Have had another thread up all day about that link.. folks are waiting for you to comment on it powervote :)
I think I came pretty close!
CF
every time
I look at these posts to try to figure out what is going on with this, I cannot stand a single thought out of Powervotes head and he just turns me off so badly every time he types anything that I just have to leave again before I figure anything out.
Maybe this isn't for you?
Maybe you have no interest in a more powerful weapon to help Ron Paul pass his political agenda. If that's the case, you are certainly wasting your time reading my posts. PowerVote represents a drastic change from the way the game of politics is played now. If you like the game of the past, my posts should be very alarming and sickening. I'm ok with that and consider it a sign of success.
CHECK IMAGE BEFORE CONTRIBUTING
I don't mean to alarm, but all angles must be analyzed before going forth with any effort. and since, so many of you love the idea, i wanted to provide a voice of warning.
check this out, http://members.cox.net/ja...
if link doesn't work, scroll to bottom of:
http://the19thofapril.com...
The rifle aimed at 'congressmen #1' and the2 possible outcomes to Paul's campaign is Defies or Submits, either way, paul loses and the gun stays aimed.
I call BS on this, totally fraudulent and dangerous!
You don't get it but
I'll admit the image is horrible...somebody submitted it to me. (I'm a cpa not an art kind of guy.) The pointing a gun at someone thing, I prefer to think in terms of a whip but the image does show how the lobbying function works. The freedom for RP to cause the defeat of just one targeted lawmaker is the power to control entire legislative bodies using that power as a whip.
Bump
This is a great idea-
Maybe the BEST one i have seen yet.
"The Best Idea Yet"
Thanks! I'm thinking some non-binding pledges of powervote deposits might be the next step. This would give a feel for how much support really exists and it would create a picture that might be worth a thousand words. What do you think?
If It SOunds Too Good To Be True
It probably is. Donate directly to his campaign. It is the most effective means of getting the money to Ron. Don't fall for hype.
Do you want Ron Paul to have power or money?
Is the goal really just to give money to RP? Actually, with powervote he could have both for those that insist.
I would be shocked to think Ron Paul
I would be shocked to think Ron Paul did not care what the FEC thinks about this ILLEGAL money operation. What does Ron Paul say about this?
Based on what?
What makes you think it's illegal?
this whip
can be misused or snatch away just like any other power and may be used to assist the enemy Mcain by redirecting funds from Dr. Paul to himself. You say money does not belong to any candidate, but why would I pay anyone by Ron Paul? This process isn't about getting millions for our own ambitions, we should be concerned with getting more voters. Money does not equal votes, it merely buys them. The delegate process and canvassing is much more efficient for that process.
Anyways, i think this might be a bubble posted to misdirect RP funds.
Relook at how the whip works...
Each depositor ALWAYS retains 100% control over how the deposit is spent. How could you have more control than that?
ColdFusion
ColdFusion... could you please help James and design a SAMPLE webpage/site for PowerVote idea...
James is the originator... has this concept's expertise... but does not have webpage design skills...
This should not be about... MY SITE OR ELSE... this should be about the BEST WAY TO PRESENT THE CASE... and you James are the spark of this flame of fire... we all appreciate it... and will work to make it a reality...
I've been asked on a few
I've been asked on a few occassions to set up a more visually suitable site for this powervotenow idea.
After taking considerable time investigating the legality of it, I can't say that I found anything 'illegal', other than it meets the FEC definition of a Political Action Committee which will require an FEC license with which to operate (powervote disagrees with that conclusion, which is his right, so no biggie there). Even if it did require an FEC filing to become a PAC, it's not like that is a hard thing to do. Better safe than sorry is what I would say - but it's not my site.
In the end, I've seen numerous posts by powervote to promote this idea. Whether it has been making new threads on a daily basis to introduce this idea to the new flock of users who may have not seen it, or to inject the idea into various threads that are unrelated to his topic.
What I have concluded is that powervote is very willing to tell people they are unpatriotic, hint that they are unintelligent and/or unwilling to advance the cause of liberty if they are not also willing to send money into his idea.
He is proposing that millions of dollars be injected into his 'system', of which - regardless if the idea works or not (untested ideas that are asking for massive amounts of money always tend to be avoided by most) he gets to keep half of the 'deposits'.
He is very willing to tell people that donating to ron pauls campaign, where nearly all of the funds donated are used to promote the campaign, is a far worse 'charity' than giving him (powervote) your money, with which he will attempt to pressure legislator, and of which he will keep half.
In all the information, both in his posts here and the information provided on his site, I see no reference whatsoever as to any experience - or even a suggested 'plan' - in regards to how the actual lobbying will be done.
If powervote thinks that all he has to do is call up Ron Paul, or some other representative, and say "Hey, I've got a website with a number on it that you can use to pressure legislation", he'll probably get a "Thank you sir for your call, we'll get back to you (click)".
So, if you think the idea is sound - which I am not saying it isn't - and you are willing to put money into this system - and you understand that half of the money you put into it does not go toward your cause, but goes to the powervotenow owner, feel free to flood the system with cash.
The legality of the idea without proper licensing through the FEC still hasn't been proven to me.
The idea of giving half of my 'deposit' to anyone as payment for a service like this, personally, doesn't sit well with me.
It would make more sense to have the same system, but charge a membership fee for the use of the site.. or a 'per issue' fee to donate to a particular issue that is being promoted or challenged.
But, I suppose if you think the service is worth five dollars, you can just deposit ten.
I'm through with it. Interesting idea, but I dont see it working, and I still dont see it as being something the FEC or other government-public funding system regulations wouldn't have rules about.
CF
Interesting
I'm a cpa not a web page designer. I'm all ears.
Combine the efforts
powervote... please combine the effort with ColdFusion... make the site/process/idea visually quick to understand [as per ColdFusion's sample]...
the petition-Ron-Paul page is great... add the visual... this will self-explain what it is all about... thereafter, we can start with contacting RP...
You're Too Worried about our uniforms--Think about the weapon
You're way too worried about how we look on our way into battle with a powerful and very different weapon. Is the PowerVote weapon the equivelent of nuclear or isn't it? If it is, then we can dress however we want and if it isn't, it won't matter how we dress. Contact Ron Paul today and tell him about this new weapon.
Better View of Freedom from Crippling Nazi Campaign Laws?
What about this schematic? Which is a better explanation of the mechancis? See http://the19thofapril.com... at bottom of page.
hihi
Here is what you need, this platform is all yours!
www.wtpcast.com
Did you donate and asked others to do so?
Let's try keeping the fund raising posts in the top please
Why?
If making deposits PowerVote style can have more impact on legislation than donations, why would I ever donate? What sense does that make? Who holds public office is of little importance as long as we can whip and drive them doggies into supporting the right legislation.
Thank you...
Thank you... but you need to coordinate this with ColdFusion... his design is very attractive and easy to understand as to what is what...
http://www.eteli.com/imag...
your design is not ready to do anything with yet... you have a great idea, but it is still very naked... as opposite to ColdFusion - which is dressed quite nicely...
Work with him... thereafter, we can all came aboard...
"You have a great idea"
You say "You have a great idea" At this stage, I'm thinking that's all we need Ron Paul to know. He needs to know there's a powerful new way for him and probably only for him. The PowerVote system only works with a trusted leader to serve as the Whip. Please ask him to take look.
Kind of answering two
Kind of answering two comments at once here.. the one 'above' and the one 'below' heh.
Try a look at www.OurFreedomNetwork.com
The powervote idea can probably be worked into that.. I'd just need to know how PV runs his database and what sql is used - if any.
If not, I get the idea on how it works.. all it needs is a system programmed so it can run like crazy... and that's what I do :)
BTW, I'm not saying "I" want to run things.. not at all.. we're putting the OFN system together as a centralized hub for absolutely everything. PV should fit in nicely and not have to worry about hosting fees or 'pretty'.
If/when I get the confirmation call, I was asked to be on RPRRadio this coming Friday night to discuss the site. Paul hasn't called me yet, so I dont know if that's still going to happen or not.
Shoot me an email through the contact page there if you're interested.
Kudos,
CF
It's pretty but...
I like the color and graphics as an example and if it helps people understand the PowerVote process, I could link to it. But, it did seem to focus on PowerVote having some kind of political power instead of the Whip, who in our case is Ron Paul. As long as his supporters trust him, there is little reason for Ron Paul to bog them down with who he plans to target until the time comes. The target could change from week to week as he cracks his whip over the Congressional herd. . The whole point is that the power of the Whip should suffice in getting legislation passed without anybody ever getting a campaign contribution. In the rare instance where a contribution is necessary, the depositors should care little or nothing about the political positions of who Ron Paul targets. At that stage, the only important thing would be defeating the target so the rest of the herd can see the pain the Whip can inflict.
I picture PowerVote being a pretty simple scoreboard display with maybe a link to what the deposits mean. The slick web pages would be the Trevor types driving deposits to the Whip.
The Web Site is Now Up
See powervotenow.com. The only thing we have to do now is ask Ron Paul to serve as a PowerVote Whip. You can e-mail him at http://www.house.gov/paul...
The Most Powerful Option
Thank you powervote !!!
We-The-People... this is one of the Most Powerful Options we have on the plate... please share this with ALL RP Social Groups out there... I will keep a permanent link into here at www.youtube.com/RonPaul20...
ColdFusion, your sample looks GREAT!
http://www.eteli.com/imag...
let's get the website going...
You Made the news
Ok, I've got that web page powervotenow.com
I Love This Concept
THis is all the more reason to donate to Ron's congressional campaign.
I Love this Concept
So if Powervote was up and running, how much would you send in? What legislation would you demand? Who would you want to send your money to, Ron Paul? I'm thinking non-binding pledges might be a good next step.
Interesting concept
We pool our lobbying power and Ron aims the gun for us. I'd like to see this website.
A bonus add-on could be an activist board to coordinate non-monetary volunteer actions on the ground against the target.
We can have Ron Paul become the most feared and respected man in Congress. Imagine a time when Dr. Paul has the power of AIPAC instead of his reciting special orders to an empty chamber.
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Washington doesn't need more lawyers.
It needs a doctor!
Dr. Ron Paul *** RX for Freedom
If you have nukes, who needs a ground war?
I think you're grossly underestimating the impact of millions going to a lawmaker's strongest opponent during an election. If you study money and it's impact on politics, it looks like most lawmakers would decide not to run at all than run agaist an overwhelming force that guaranteed defeat.
So what you are saying is
So what you are saying is the site might look something like this:
www.eteli.com/images/powe...
All the information on that is just an example.. nothing 'real' is there, so dont ask me who 'Roushe' is heheh
The red 'minus' denotes PV would be 'against' it, green 'plus' would be 'for' it.
The rest is either self-explanatory or explained in the image.
CF
I was thinking a simple scoreboard with links to details
Yuk...the spreadsheet looks better...I need to figure out how to attach an image. I guess I need that web page...maybe you can get the picture for now from this:
PowerVote Scoreboard (hypothetical)
PowerVote Deposits* Whip Name Action Demanded Target Priorities
$20,000,100 Ron Paul Save the Internet (link) Link
$10,000,500 Ron Paul Cut sin tax (link) Link
*PowerVote Deposits are refunded with advise from the named Whip on how to spend the money. Thereby, the entire amount of PowerVote deposits shown can be directed into any political campaign.
we need that site up. I do
we need that site up. I do not know if we should ask trevor or not.
It's just a question at this stage
I think a trusted leader of this movement needs to know about this new option. Once I have that, stopping the search for that person long enough to create a web site makes sense. At this stage, anybody sending Trevor an e-mail is just asking what he thinks. Pretty harmless and pretty simple.
Is this essentially a way of
Is this essentially a way of having "people" lobbyists? (ie lobbyists that lobby elected officials on behalf of the people?).
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson
keep it bumped
How is the site coming? What is the address again?
Yes...If you call pointing a gun to their head lobbying
PowerVote style deposits use overpowering firepower to force lawmakers to support legislation. A targeted lawmaker either supports the desired legislation or has his or her political brains blown out. It's all very public though....no need for any lobbying or even lobbyists. Ron Paul would just name the lawmaker whose head he will take off if he/she doesn't do what RP says. The power of one political bullet could probably control the legislature. If he targets properly, lawmakers will choose life in order to live to fight other battles.
use overpowering firepower to force lawmakers to support
use overpowering firepower to force lawmakers to support legislation. A targeted lawmaker either supports the desired legislation or has his or her political brains blown out.
very nice. I like your turn of phrase! ...appeals to the Linda Hamilton (Terminator) in me...
WOW
Wow great can you start a little web site and help us do this? Someone needs to point out issues.
This needs to be written more point by point and how to..Seriously awesome but we need help organizing.
Web site time?
A web site would definately help and point by point condensed might help too, once people know the potential. It's far from obvious when you just look at the mechanics of PowerVote.
The organizing part though, I don't see how a web site could do that alone. You need a trusted name to do that. Of course, Ron Paul is that name, but I don't see him acting on something this radical...yet. First, some lessor known but trusted people within the movement will have to endorse the idea. Do you have any suggestions?
how? confused.. People need
how? confused.. People need to make their forum topics shorter
What don't you get?
I'd be glad to explain or modify. I'm not so sure making it shorter will make it easier.
We need a list of every
We need a list of every petition and legislative initiative relating to our cause. Then doners buy into causes they support. It is easy to sign a petition but this would allow us to put our money where our mouth is.
Just go for the biggies first
Why list all the issues when there's a few biggies that generate most the action? A PowerVote style deposit in support of one the big ones could get the snowball rolling. The people who got the money bombs going should create a deposit bomb in support the biggest issue.