help, proof Obama will expand war, how to get info out
Posted February 11th, 2008 by christina
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A lot of people tell me they are voting for Barack Obama because he will end the war and send the troops home. I did research on this and found out what he really plans to do.
There are antiwar groups voting for Obama just for this reason. Maybe most dont care. Maybe they really are voting for him for his good looks. I was thinking of making a speech on youtube. I'm pretty boring though. The people who really want the war to end need to vote for Ron Paul. He is the only candidate who will do this.
Below is the information, I am pretty sure its all corrrect, let me know if you think something is not, or if I misunderstood something, its long , let me know what can be done with this, make flyers and mail them to anti-war groups, maybe make a commercial to expose Obama, anything. Please somebody,
Thanks
Good day my fellow Americans,
I am a Ron Paul supporter and I want to talk to you today about the upcoming presidential election and the Iraq War.
The polls have shown that the majority of the American people oppose the Iraq war and want it to end.
One of the presidential candidates running, Mr Barack Obama, is misleading the American people into believing he is the candidate that will stop this war. I will prove this is not so and that his plans are actually the complete opposite, to expand the war and increase the level of troops deployed in the Middle East.
On Mr Obamas webpage. www.barackobama.com,
under the section Issues – Iraq , scroll down to the sub title “Bringing our troops home”. That’s a totally misleading statement – should not even be there. A total lie. Read the paragraph, nowhere does it say the troops will come home.
He talks about removing combat brigades. According to the pentagon ,they make up about 23%of the troops currently assigned to the Iraq mission. So, he’s actually talking about a sub section of the troops.
Okay, so lets find out where these combat brigades will go when they are removed from Iraq. Lets look at Mr. Obamas plan called the
“ Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007”,
okay, so section 3 of this act states that the current levels of the Unites States armed forces shall not exceed levels of such forces in Iraq as of January 10 2007. He doesn’t state what this number actually is. It would make it a lot easier for people if he did, but that’s okay, I googled it. Thank goodness for google. These politicians love to make simple things complicated.
So as of, January 2007: the U.S. troop levels in Iraq were at 137000.
Currently as of jan 25 2008, 157,000.00.
So the difference is very small, 20000.00.
The maximum number of troops Mr Obama would allow in Iraq under normal conditions is just a little less than the current amount. I say under normal conditions, because this act can be suspended allowing more troops if needed.
Okay , so lets find out what he wants to do with the troops he does remove.
In his act, under Section 4 – Redeployment – it states
Appropriate units of armed forces should be redeployed:
1. to the United States. Well finally , that’s what I was looking for, but wait, theres other places.
2. to Afghanistan, to enhance US military operations in that country;
3. elsewhere in the region, to serve as an over-the-horizon force to prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, to reassure allies of the United States of the commitment of the United States to remain engaged in the region to, and to position troops to strike directly at al-Qaeda, and
4. elsewhere, to meet urgent United States security needs.
We have just seen where the troops will be redeployed.
Now, from the combat brigades he does redeploy, lets try to find out how many will actually come home.
Lets do more research - In his webpage under the section Issues/foreign policy
He states Under the subtitle – Building a 21st century military:
· "Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines. "
I think this answers my previous question – how many troops will actually come home – sounds like 0. We have just seen, Obama will need more to help out in the Middle East. I wonder Is Mr Barack Obama planning a draft?
Mr Obama also claims he will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. This is an empty statement because the Pentagon does not call the bases it builds in Iraq “permanent bases”, but “enduring bases”. The pentagon has stated many times it plans to not build “permanent bases” in Iraq, but it does build “Enduring bases”.
Some last few points – in his De-escalation Act, Mr Obama mentions another Act called "HR 5122 - John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007."
Lets take a look at statute 2444 section 1519: “no funds of this act may be used
to exercise United States economic control of the oil resources of Iraq.”
What does that mean? Why is this even included? Has their been problems with the United States using funds to economically control the oil resources of Iraq. I thought this war was first about ousting Saddam Hussein, then fighting terror, but nothing about controlling the oil resources. Is it included to reassure the American people thats not the reason were there? Or does it mean its okay if the United States uses other funds to economically control oil in Iraq?
Did you know this bill also encourages martial law allowing “the president to declare public emergency and station troops anywhere in United States to take control of state based national guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities in order to suppress public disorder.
You know, I wonder if that’s what Mr Obama means by re-deploying troops to the United States. The definition or redeployment is to move military forces from one combat zone to another.
In his speeches to the people he says “bring the troops home”, I wondered why in his act he didn’t simply say “bring the troops home”, but instead “re-deploy to the United States”. Do you think the government is expecting an uprise of some sort among the American people? What other things will happen soon here or in the Middle East that will cause this uprise?
My fellow Americans, this is our last chance to change a brutal course the United States government is taking. Please think about everything we just went over.
Dr Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate that will stop the war, bring the troops home, ensure our safety and stop this country from collapsing.
All the celebrities out there who have spoken out against the war so many times. Where are you now? This is our last chance. Please, I am pleading to you.
Thank you for your time.
God bless us all.
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Anyone a member of an Obama forum
I would suggest you post that there as long as the research is credible and not from some wackball's blog.
Very good post. I haven't
Very good post. I haven't checked your sources (links would be great!), but I will make one tiny suggestion. Try to remove some of the "conspiracy theory" stuff and concentrate on the facts concerning the actions in the Act and Bills that Obama supports.
You did some excellent research, and after polishing you could send this out as letters to the editor to every paper in the US for some good old fashioned "old media exposure."
I prefer Obama over McZombie.
You are missing the main point here. Who is controlling America now? AIPAC and Zionists. McZombie is their agent. He is showing it openly. If you try to deviate one iota from their state of thinking while you are running as a candidate you are doomed.
Look at Ron Paul. He advertised what he is loud and clear from the beginning and he is totally destroyed by them. Even his party rejected him.
Obama is playing it in the Middle. That is called wisdom. You don't give out all your secrets to your enemies from the beginning. I trust Obama over McCain.
Obama?
All talk and no substance. He is the typical talking head with no solutions only charisma. Too bad many of the American people vote based on how one presents their ideas and what they look like presenting their ideas rather than the ideas alone.
Well done...
Well done and well researched. I wonder what else we could catch him on. I'm going to try and get this out to as many people as I can. My friend recently called Obama "the antichrist." Definitely made me laugh until I realized how metaphorically true he was. All of those people (if they really want change) should be voting for Dr. Paul. Keep your eye on the birdie.
important to show people Obama is NOT anti-war
bumping this up, as this is really important! it seems a lot of people still believe Obama's vague rhetoric, and think he is anti-war!
remember those exit polls showing that the reason so many people voted for McCain is because they *thought* he was ANTI-WAR?!
Well, same with Obama! people need to made aware that Obama:
supports continuing the war in Afghanistan
has said military action is not "off the table" re Iran
and pushes for invasion in Pakistan
and they think he is ANTI-WAR??
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Every Obama supporter needs to see this
Since most people are too lazy to read, can some one make a slick youtube video?
great idea!
using quotes from his speeches, interspersed with his statements to reporters & statements on his website!
need to show the contradictions!
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you can send this letter out
if you know any anti-war groups in your area, anywhere , or any people who strongly support to end the war, you can print this letter and give/mail it to them.
Or, if you see any obama signs in your neighborhood(i never have), print this letter and tape it to the sign, maybe someone will read it.
or, let your grass roots leader know, maybe they can find the best way to use this.
its a long letter, if you can find a way to shorten it up, make it better, go ahead, use it anyway you can.
I heard about anti-war groups endorsing obama just for the reason they believe he will end the war, I'm going to find out who they are, and mail it to them. You do this too.
We can do this!!!!
more proof - Obama will NOT stop Iraq war/occupation
CHECK THIS OUT!
found the link at his Issues page, Iraq war topic:
Obama's "Iraq Fact Sheet"
http://www.barackobama.co...
p. 2 near bottom:
Residual Force to Remain. Under the Obama plan, American troops may remain in Iraq or the region. These American troops will protect American diplomatic and military personnel in Iraq, and continue striking at Al Qaeda in Iraq. If Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we would also continue training the Iraqi Security Forces. In the event of an outbreak of genocide, we would reserve the right to intervene, with the international community, if that intervention was needed to provide civilians with a safe haven.
Now just how does this compare to his "anti-war" rhetoric?!
Obama supporters need to read beyond the soundbytes!
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I Heard Him in The Last Debate Hint To It
He said he would leave troops to secure our civilians and Iraqi people. I was thinking, what does he think we are doing now over there. He will not change a single thing over there. Dr. Paul is the only anti war man left.
win the democrats over!
win the democrats over!
blah
many democrats support the general idea of spreading our democracy through force they just didn't like the way Iraq was going at the time. Now that violence is at a low, they could care less that we are not wanted there and brewing hate, "as long as people aren't dying", same line as McCain.
Fine post!
You got me thinking real hard :) Ouch!
Good looks?
Maybe the crack he's smokin' is affecting that, too?
See vid. Pretty graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Good
Good looks? Lol.
Maybe a year ago but have you looked at him lately?
He gets the "aged the most over the past year" award.
The only person who could make him look good again is Hillary's plastic surgeon.
I heard him say with his own mouth
that he would remove the troops from IRAQ and send them to PAKISTAN.
Previously known as DCALIFANO
Rule Of Thumb With Politicians ..
When a politician gives a realy LONG AND COMPLICATED answer to a simple question, the answer usualy isnt complicated.
I got my answer when Obama, along with every other democrat, refused to pledge that the troops would be out of Iraq AT THE END OF THEIR FIRST TERM AS PRESIDENT (January 2013).
That was all I needed to hear. They can talk for days now and I will not be listening ...
The troops are just another political football to them that they will pull out of the drawer when they feel like scoring some points with the public ..
great...now please go tell them that at talkbarackobama08 ~
We're trying to awake the Obama sheeple!
http://talkbarackobama08....
Bump
Bump to drop old vote
References & Sources
You can find them here amongst others:
http://knowbeforeyouvote....
please "cross over" and add to our posts...
please "cross over" and add to our posts...
http://talkbarackobama08....
just sent this
to my email groups... I really hope it gets people thinking!
I also added the article I posted below re Obama may invade Iran,
and a note how exit polling shows that McCain is getting so many votes because people think he is anti-war, when in reality he is very pro-war & would stay in Iraq another 100 years if needed
oh - forgot to include Obama's statements re Pakistan!
any links for that?
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Open Your Eyes Please
Watch this video of Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Or even this video from October 2007. Watch his hands:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Very natural hand gestures.
Now, since joining the CFR, you will note he did not make the super duper secret hypnotic CFR hand signal (the one that looks like the eagles head on the back of a US one dollar) he makes in every speech.
Now watch this video. Watch his hands at
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
All he does is make the super duper secret hand signal of the oligarchy.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
Obama is CFR
He will do whatever the oligarchy tells him to do. They profit from war, he will fight war.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
but maybe invade Iran instead?
you can add this too:
http://www.suntimes.com/n...
"Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called "a threat to all of us." "
so what's the difference? pull out of Iraq, make the same mistake in Iran?
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wished I had saved it...
when Bush gave his State of the Union and made some cowboy remark threatening Iran, the article said Obama stood up and applauded it!
please add your comments to Digg story
...with any supporting knowlege you have on Obama
bump - everyone should read
bump - everyone should read this.
on digg
http://digg.com/2008_us_e...
Google around for...
... Obama's AIPAC speeches, etc.
He said nukes were on the table for Iran...
like this one
Obama at AIPAC forum
http://www.suntimes.com/n...
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Cool...
.. good article
Summary please
Too long to fit in a DIGG comment.
Here's another piece
A widely posted article-here is just one link to it:
http://www.thought-crimin...
It outlines Obama's plans with Iran,etc. along with his CFR goals/affiliation.
I have tried to persuade people-but they seem to be lost in Obamaland.
Yah...
... street "liberals" tend to not even know what the CFR is. If they've heard of the CFR they tend to immediately label it "oh.. that conspiracy stuff"
But, then again, that's true of the typical street "conservative" also.
'street liberals'?
pardon my ignorance,but what does that mean?
Also,the sites that post this article include prison planet,info wars,etc. oft classified as 'liberal' sites,no? In any case,the article clearly outlines Obama's plans,though does say he differs from the others in that he does not have Nukes on the table for Iran. I've heard [and apparently so have others]the opposite-but hey,good for him if he's decided on straight up old fashioned bombing instead. How humane.
"street"..
... means the average voter you meet out on the street as opposed to political professionals.
Prison Planet and Infowars are from Alex Jones. Alex is probably best described as a populist conservative with libertarian leanings. Definitely not a liberal in the modern sense at all.
As far as Obama, AIPAC is pleased with his stance and it requires a very aggressive proactive stance against Iran for AIPAC to be happy. AIPAC is a cheerleader for further military adventurism in the mid-east.
I watched a speech by Obama several months ago and he said nukes were still on the table but recommended being very cautious about it.
Perhaps he has flop-flipped.
This was a truly great
This was a truly great speech (even if not widely heard).
I think the transcript above needs it's own website - something like "www.obamawars.com".
This info really does need to get out there.
At least McCain clearly states he will stay for 100 Years. Obama is actually worse cause he flat out lies to the American Public!
Here's a good one:
"Barack Obama...provoked anger yesterday by threatening to send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists -- even without permission from that country’s Government.
Pakistan, a key ally of the US in the war on terrorism, reacted angrily, advising all American politicians to refrain from inflammatory remarks. “These are serious matters and should not be used for point-scoring,” Tasnim Aslam, a spokeswoman for the Pakistani Foreign Ministry, said." - August 2007
Posted
...at http://talkbarackobama08....
Looks like it's been removed.
I could read it last night, but not this morning.
Thanks for that research
Posted link over to here from http://www.hoinews.com/ne..., has to go through moderator.
This is already on digg
this is on digg..
Someone get this on digg! I
Someone get this on digg! I don't know how.
Just a note: One of my friends told me she is voting for Obama. I asked her why and she said it's time that we had a black presedent.
I almost fell over.
I told her she's right, just not THAT black president.
I had a similar experience
I had a similar experience this weekend talking to some girls at the bar.
I was asking people who they would vote for.
This certain young girl said that she'd vote for hillary.
I said, "Any particular reason?"
She said, "Because shes about change, and people want that right now."
I said, "What kind of changes?"
She said, "You know, just diffrent than how it is right now."
I shouldn't have been suprised by her answer. Atleast it was something diffrent than "They say should never talk about politics or religion"
I just dont get why people say you shouldn't discuss those subjects in a social situation.
Ya
Sad but true, I've heard countless idiots in the country say that they're voting for Obama, they don't even know what he stands for, but they're voting for him "because he's black."
Even my 7 yr old
after hearing a friend say she liked the idea of a woman president,said to me 'Mom,it's funny how so-and-so wanted to vote for Hillary b/c she is a woman,not b/c she liked her policies...'?
He was like 'I don't get it.'
Yea,I know honey; I don't get it either.
I do love that eternal question that still begs to be answered from either Obama or Hillary,however: What kind of change?
Oh yea,Unity for Obama. And for Hillary? The kind of change that is her kind.
Oh yeah,
I agree this should be posted to Digg but hosted on a different site. As soon as people see it associated with a Ron Paul site, it will be dismissed.
I think it's time there was a
Constitutional President! Constitutionalists are by far a much smaller minority.