Let's invite other groups to our march!
Posted February 12th, 2008 by aaron1804
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Has anyone considered that this march could become bigger than Ron Paul?
I know we want as much attention and credit for this movement as possible but if we really want to win the Presidency, we will need to have the support of many, many more Americans.
There are anti-war groups, POW groups, truth movements.....and although they may not be adamant Ron Paul supporters (yet), I'm certain they all share the same beliefs when is comes to liberty, peace and prosperity.
If the approval ratings in Washington are any indication, this may be just what folks are looking for to express themselves.
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Do not invite the far left
We do not need to have our march for freedom and constitutionalism hijacked by socialists, communist front groups (eg. ACLU) or nazis who do NOT believe in freedom.
On the other hand, inviting gun rights groups, health freedom organizations, freedom to farm, POW/MIA, truth in taxation, natural medicine, home schooling, fully informed jury groups etc. would underline the fact that the Democrats, independents and Republicans who support Dr. Paul are apple pie Americans who just want their country back. Also, leave the 9-11 truth paraphernalia at home; spread your message back home on your own time, not at big media events.
Invite Foreign Press
The rally if we bring in 300,000 or more we support Paul and humiliate king george. Let's call in our allies cause we need all the help we can get on this one.
great idea i think
power in numbers.
Can we march armed to celebrate our 2nd amendment right?
A million man machine gun march.
Other groups could be a Battle in Seattle WTO Protests. Riots??
Is he trying to start a real Revolution?
I reread your post
Are you serious in calling for riots?
Another agent provocateur, or just really dumb?
Armed???
The last time this was discussed (Thompson - 1994?), the event was cancelled because it was suspected that agent provocateurs would orchestrate a terrorist act to blame on the demonstrators. What do you think the odds are in today's geopolitical climate?
Going armed to a public demonstration is an invitation for disaster (and a sure media nightmare), so leave the weapons at home.
D. C. has a gun ban
Please do not turn this into something other than Ron Paul intended or you will kill any chance RP has to get to the convention.
Focus, Ron Paul Supporters
This is already turning into something other than what Ron Paul intended, which is usually how it goes on these forums because some people do not really understand Ron Paul and what he is trying to accomplish.
If you turn this Ron Paul March/Rally into a "cause" demonstration other than for LIBERTY you will kill any impact this march will have in favor of LIBERTY and Ron Paul.
The MSM will descend like vultures and show all the far left groups (WHO BTW do not ALL support freedom and the Constitution and are infiltrated by agent provocateurs) to convince people that Ron Paul is not really a conservative, and he really is fringe. Is that what you want? If so, you don't really understand.
Please do not turn this into an arena for every group to air their pet "Cause" in front of the camera. You will do more to damage Ron Paul and the cause of freedom than you can ever imagine. That will be the end of his bid for the Presidency. Keep focused.
Far left, far right, whatever
I used far left as an example
why would it just be
left. Liberty is a right issue as well. Just my thinking, it would show exactly why his message is so popular it effects us ALL. Freedom of Speech, Right to Assemble etc.
"Left" was just an example
I'll edit my post
Let's invite Kucinich! All the anti-war votes will go to RP!
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!
???
I'm sure he's an honest man, but besides the war, on which issues does Kucinich agree with us? Gun rights? Limited government?
Practically speaking, we'll alienate far more conservatives and constitutionalists than we will gain from the left.
Ron Transcends Politics
This rally should too. This is where you want millions of people to be. To hear the Ron Revolution from the man himself. All the anti-war dems and independents will be astounded when they learn this "Republican" voted against the war while their candidates only spoke against it then voted for it. Lets see...."I was against the war before I voted for it" where have we heard that. Freedom brings us together. Love your enemies. The Lord commands us.
How?
How do you add groups to the march that have a different agenda than the RP Revolution without diluting the message of the march? We want to send the message that a whole lot of very excited people are very concerned about liberty. For example, I am not at all as certain as you that most anti-war groups share the vision of liberty that Ron Paul promotes. You risk turning a freedom march into an anti-war march and the war is only one issue, and probably not the most important at the moment.
How do you prevent other groups from joining in?
Guess what!?!?! There will be pro-Bush people there too.
Unless you can guarantee 100,000 Ron Paul supporters show up, you have to have other groups show up as well.
If 10,000, 15,000 or even 25,000 Paul supporters showup, the local media might mention it but it will be invisible at a national level. If this is going to send the message we want it to send, we need 100,000 minimum. And, since the media has even downplayed events larger than that, I think we need to be aiming much higher than 100,000.
You cannot prevent them from coming
But you must focus on the creator of the march, Ron Paul and his the intent. His intent is to send a message to DC and the world that the Freedom message is popular.
Rushing off to invite groups who are not interested in freedom, but their own selfish agenda isn't a good idea.
Sorry to be negative, but I've seen a lot of bad crap happen when people try and organize and forget to stay focused. When a big event like this is announced, everyone starts to get excited and thinks "let's invite everyone!" and begins to forget that there is a meaning and purpose to it.
I don't understand
What message is sent by a huge group of people who don't necessarily agree on any particular course for the country?
I don't agree with Kucinich supporters on economic policy. And that is a HUGE issue - the biggest issue in the election and getting bigger. What message does it send to have Kucinich supporters joining us? (not to single them out for any particular abuse)
We need to have as a big a rally as possible with a clear and consistent agenda. I understand that we want a BIG turnout, but a million angry people accomplish nothing if they are all over the map politically.
The media can spin it however they want unless we are clear about the point of the march!
Its an idea.
I like that idea... and I think the march should be in some other location than Washington.... Texas before his April 8 primary would be good.
Treg
Make this International
Demonstrate the international stature that Ron Paul has by opening this up to his supporters worldwide. Many have wished they could participate in the past money bombs. With exchange rates as they are, this could be an affordable vacation as well as a way to show their support.
YES! It's about numbers....
The more people, the bigger the impact. If you're in the country and are tired of the federal government, show up.
No groups but all people
who cherish liberty.
Gwen Kraft
"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul
"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan
We should invite our friends from other countries
The Movement is global.
I personally don't have any contact with MeetUps, etc. in other countries, but they are more than welcome. It really is the only event they can participate in.
Bring their national flags...Represent!!
"The Ron Paul Invitational"
As stated on another thread, prove who the "uniter" really is. I hear people embarassed by truthers or UFO buffs, but what harm is it to seek truth? If you do not agree with what they find, how has it harmed you? If they turn up something, they may do you a great service. Celebrate the common thread, they seek truth, an aspect of Liberty.
Yes Unite
Yes unite don't try to divide! Power to the People!! And let them ALL hear Ron's message, this will be HUGE!
Anyone who supports Ron Paul is invited
Why would they come otherwise? To push their own agenda? Then it turns into a freak show.
BE VERY CAREFUL
*****DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A "CAUSE" MARCH*****. This is to show support for Ron Paul only.
And be very, very, very, careful of agent provocateurs who ALWAYS show up at these things.
Stop thinking in terms of "groups" and ask individuals who support RP, not people who want to push their "cause." There is only one cause - freedom!!!
Anything else will backfire on Dr. Paul - BIG TIME
Yes
It should be those who support the cause, NOT people wanting to push their OWN AGENDA such as 911, and the like.
I think they should leave that stuff home.
Exactly
I am already feeling sick about what might happen. All the far left and far right people with their own selfish agendas will go and get in front of the camera. The MSM will report that THOSE are the people who support RP, not the dedicated RP supporters who have been working long and hard for him. The world will see every group but the faithful supporters. Sigh.
It's already being destroyed by the very people who should do everything to help Dr. Paul.
I think that there are more "moles" on this site than supporters.
The ideas that are being thrown out prove this.
Disgusted already about how Dr. Paul's idea for a march and rally on Washington is turning into a disaster waiting to happen.
I disagree
I am sorry but I don't think this was what Ron Paul meant.
He wants a march for liberty and freedom. He has said continuously that this is a movement and it is NOT about him. So...lets clarify it again. I think it ultimately will be mostly supporters of him obviously, but if others join...I think it is good for publicity.
Not sure what you mean by "freak show"?
So many normal people that support Ron Paul are considered "freaks" by the main stream media already. Seems to me if there were real "freaks" there it would be supporters of MC LAME!
Peace!
OK, sorry. Let me clarify
When I say "freak show" I mean this: People starting trouble to get in front of the camera. I'm not labeling any group at all. We're all freaks to the media, I am with you there.
If you have participated in these types of huge demonstrations then you know that groups show up and compete to get their pet "cause" in front of the camera.
Ron Paul's message of freedom is the reason for the march.
If other groups decide that this march is a good place to demonstrate their "cause" believe me, the old media will seize the opportunity to take the focus from our wonderful event - a FREEDOM MARCH WITH RON PAUL, and feature every group they've labeled as "fringe."
Many of the anti war and anti globalist groups are infiltrated with agent provocateurs who will go there and stir up trouble and possibly violence in front of the camera to make RP and his supporters look bad.
Of course that cannot be prevented, but we have to at least try and get people on board who support Ron Paul and understand the purpose for this March, or the message at the very least ends up diluted. That's why I am saying let's not rush to invite groups who aren't Ron Paul supporters, but have a pet "cause." Does that make any better sense? Thanks.
about the million man march...
The organizers could have called it the million black man march if they wanted to, but the march was not exclusive like that so they didn't. I suppose they should have also considered the million people march but that just isn't as catchy. We should also consider making it a more inclusive march... something like:
The Freedom March.
-Phil Hemingway III
Once a Date is Set
Look, once the date is set, any and all organizations are going to be on top of this March. The word will spread like wildfire, believe me, no one is going to have to contact them... they'll be contacting us!
That would be nice....
For this reason and many others, I think it is imperative that Ron Paul's name be in the title of the march.
YES. This is a RON PAUL RALLY AND MARCH. PERIOD.
Anything else will not work in his favor
Agreed, let us invite......
members of the Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) group.
Brian
USAF Veteran
Defense Contractor
the only thing to consider, then, is...
that we have the loudest voice out of the bunch.
-Phil Hemingway III
bump
how do we think the million man march got 800,000+? It wasn't by being narrow or exclusive.
-Phil Hemingway III
This is kind of exciting
I can't wait for Paul to set a date and place so we can have a shot at this.
Respectfully I have to Disagree
I do not think we should invite all groups that are against the war or have a quarrel with the USG.
Let me explain -- If a group is fully endorsing Ron Paul, great let's get them on board. Today Rolling Thunder was mentioned and if they endorse RP great -- thousands of bikers invading DC always gets attention.
But if the rally turns into a free-for-all where representatives from groups like Code Pink and World Can't Wait are coming out you may as well just cancel the whole thing. It will be a wash out. Most of the anti-war groups are basically Communist fronts and I for one do not want to have Ron Paul or his supporters associated in any way shape or form with them.
So I think it needs to be a Ron Paul Rally first and foremost -- we have plenty of supporters - I don't think we need to invite others to inflate the numbers.
I agree with your disagreement
I think that the message has to stay pure to what Ron Paul actually advocates. Otherwise it will be all over the place. There will be a call for change but there won't be a clear sense of what exact change is being called for.
I think the theme should be:
"Ron Paul, His Message Marches On"
Good points!
If the invitation is made with the understanding that it is Ron Paul's show I think most would show respect. I think the undesirable groups are obvious and Paul would avoid them. There has to be a simple, understandable theme for the march that would grab attention and support beyond the campaign. We need to bring as much support to the campaign as possible.
I agree that this cannot turn into a free-for-all. Paul and the campaign really need to take a stand with this one and put something special together. We will not be able to pull this off without a designated and dedicated leader.
You are absolutly right
Let's get them all on the boot. We need to contact the pro-life groups, the vietnam veterans, also the veterans against mcinsane, ..... let's make a list, get the emails and start coordinating
I totally disagree here is why.
I don't think Ron Paul would agree with you guys. It really depends what this movement is about. If it is anti-war then you need to let ANYONE come who is anti-war. It can't just be anti-war Ron Paul style.
We have the advantage to be able to bring and organize large amounts of people but we don't need to act like a High School click and not let others with slightly differing views from coming.. Besides it will just turn them on to Ron Paul and his movement MORE!!! YIPPEE
EXACTLY
Thus the need to fully explore what date to choose.
We want as many as we can get, not a few thousand who have any given weekend available...
Anybody got close contact with Bob Schulz?
We The People has recently been denied a hearing by the Supreme Court for the landmark right to petition lawsuit, and has organized and executed DC marches before in support of their causes.
Anyone got a contact with the leadership there to extend the invitation and humbly ask for any assistance they could offer? There is likely to be significant overlap in the organization membership and our ranks, but they have a mature outreach capability and have mobilized many such events before.
Yes, this is needed,
invite the Right to Life group, Pro 2nd amendment groups, civil liberties, States Rights groups, Anti-war groups, this needs to stand on all of Ron Paul's Platform. We can even suggest the Conservatives declaring independence from the Republican party.
Yes, let's invite other INDIVIDUALS to our march!
Follow the doctor's example and don't appeal to labels. We are all individuals who thirst for the liberty that Dr. Paul can deliver.
Noelle look here!
Now your talking.
hahaha
hell yeah
-Phil Hemingway III
Right on!
I screamed this earlier in the morning.
We should lead the way and invite the following
Every Anti-war group
Pro Pot organizations
Second Amendment groups
Libertarians
Constititionists
Pro Life groups
Civil Liberty groups
Every ProAmerica Islamic group
The list is large and diverse.
Network, network, network to the millions. Lets blow them away.
Also invite every news agency in the WORLD as our guest. If MSM ignores us, the World will not.