Pastor Chuck Baldwin: What's with ALL these Clueless Christians
Posted February 12th, 2008 by patriotman
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What's With All These Clueless Christians?
By Chuck Baldwin
February 12, 2008
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http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22 (KJV)
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie." II Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
What's with all these clueless Christians? How is it that people who
have the benefit of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and the warning and
insight of the Sacred Scriptures--not to mention a rich Christian
heritage here in America--can be so ignorant, blind, and naïve? Yes, the majority of evangelical Christians seem to be all of the above. The problem has passed being serious: it is catastrophic!
How is it that we have drifted away from being an informed, active,
knowledgeable, and dedicated group of highly motivated Christian
patriots to a group of impotent and anemic sheep? Our Christian
forebears must be turning over in their graves, because we are in the process of squandering the greatest human sacrifice--save that of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ--ever made: the sacrifice of America's Founding Fathers.
The problem is manifold, of course. For the most part, our pastors
have become glorified politicians and business executives. As
attorneys are not schooled in the Constitution, today's ministers are
not schooled in the Scriptures. They are motivational speakers,
salesmen, and business managers. The Bible is only used as a side
reference, if at all. It is not taught or preached literally. Pastors
go through the Bible the way people go through a salad bar: gleaning a few sweet-tasting morsels and rejecting everything that appears the least bit distasteful.
Then there is the "fit-in-with-the-brethren" mentality. The politicos
in Washington, D.C., have nothing on many pastors' fellowship groups. Fitting in with the denomination seems to be a far greater priority than being an independent man of God. And, of course, let's not forget the importance of not "making waves" with the deacons, elders, or church trustees. In a word, today's pastors have been very effectively neutered.
Another problem is the way our pastors and churches have become
"success" driven. Churches used to focus on truth and discipleship. No more. The church-growth movement of the last three decades has produced a generation of Christians much more concerned about crowds, buildings, and activities than they are fidelity to truth. Church has become a numbers game where success is measured by attendance and offerings.
There is yet another problem: today's churches are completely enamoredwith power. No, not the power of God. They are completely infatuated with the power of men. Rich men. Popular men. Influential men. Celebrities. Politicians. Millionaires. Sports stars, etc.
Yet, listen to what God tells us about rich and powerful men. "Do not
rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?" James 2:6 (KJV)
Historically, it has always been the super-wealthy, super-powerful
elements of society that have brought tyranny and persecution to God's people. It is the political and business elite who have trampled people's freedoms and liberties, enslaved their children, and ravaged their lands and properties.
Nothing has changed: the super-elite in the United States and Europe are continuing to do what they have always done. Both the Republican and Democrat parties are controlled by those who desire to create a globalistic society in which they will control the world's materials and peoples.
Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush have contributed to the tyrannical goals and ambitions of the super-elite. So has Bill
Clinton. If John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Hillary Clinton or Barack
Obama is elected, they will follow in the globalist footsteps of their
predecessors.
The Christian professions of our political leaders mean nothing.
Absolutely nothing! Putting an "R" behind his or her name also means nothing. Neither does calling oneself a "conservative" mean anything. Our political leaders are mostly walking in lockstep with the evil designs of the super-wealthy. Ditto for the executives who control our major media.
And our Christians and ministers seem to be absolutely clueless.
James Dobson endorses Mike Huckabee, as does Jerry Falwell, Jr., while Gary Bauer endorses John McCain. Yet, the truth is, one is as bad as the other. In fact, Huckabee is posturing himself to be McCain's running mate after McCain wins the nomination. Does anyone really believe that Mike Huckabee would turn down an invitation from John McCain to be his running mate? Get serious! Mike Huckabee would support the liberal, Big-Government John McCain with all of the enthusiasm he could muster. Why? Because Huckabee, himself, is a Big-Government liberal who has joined ideological forces with the super-elite who run both parties.
And no one within the Religious Right seems to get it. Say you are
"pro-life" and "pro-family" and you are "in." Forget the Constitution.
Forget national sovereignty and independence. Forget the principles of sound money. Forget the Bill of Rights. Forget "Just War" theory. Forget non-interventionism. Forget protecting American jobs and manufacturing. Forget putting America first. It's all about getting along with the establishment, having a seat at the table, and enjoying the perks of power.
Christians are supposed to be different. We are supposed to think
differently. We are clearly commanded to "be not conformed to this
world."
In addition, as Americans, our heritage and history is that of being
"non-conformist." We loved liberty, freedom, and independence. We
recognized no sovereign authority, save that of Jesus Christ. We
believed in self-reliance and hard work. We didn't expect governmenthandouts or charity. We believed in disciplining our children and did not expect that they would learn their values from government schools. We viewed human government with deep suspicion and demanded that it be held in check by powerful Bible preaching and by the constraints and restrictions of the U.S. Constitution.
Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old
Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the
Lord Jesus Christ. It was the political and business elite who
oppressed our Pilgrim forebears. It was the political and business
elite who tried to stamp out liberty and independence from the
American colonies. And it is those same political and business elite
who are forcing globalism, socialism, and fascism upon the American people today.
And our pastors and churches seem to be absolutely clueless.
Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream, someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him most: evangelical Christians.
The truth is, America is in the doo-doo we are in because of the
cluelessness and cowardice of today's Christians. Or, has the elect
been deceived? Have they succumbed to delusion? The result is the same either way.
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AMEN
IT IS NOT A WASTED VOTE!
Right. Christians (or the
Right. Christians (or the Religious Right) are astonishingly
ignorant. In fact, my study of this has led me in recent weeks
to this view: Ignorance is more than lack of knowledge;
it's the purposeful desire to stay that way!
Most Americans are ignorant, and they love it... in part, I guess,
because knowledge brings pain, and awareness of a sense of
responsibility to do something, a mandate most are not willing
to engage except under extreme duress, such as Pearl Harbor
or 9/11.
Ron Paul supporters are that minority of people who decided
long ago shed that blissful state of "not knowing."
That the Religious Right has of late become the object of amazement
and indignation by you, Alan Stang and others is unfortunate,
because these people are no more or less clueless than any
other demographic group in America.
I understand your tacit assumption that those in the Religious
Right ought to have a better grasp of truth, but they don't for
two basic reasons I can see: (1) most are products of the
long-ago dumbed-down public "education" system, and
(2) they have been sitting in church for decades and basically
being fed "Christianity 101" rehashed hundreds of different ways
by pastors whose main interest has been protecting their
lifetime employment by keeping people docile and filling the
plate each week.
It's also worth noting that nearly all denominations in America
are infiltrated by operatives of the "elites" you mention, which
we ought to understand from the Word, even if we didn't have
the testimony of some who have engaged this sort of activity,
which we do.
Sad to say, you're right.
Even Ron Paul supporters, God bless them, do not fully grasp the
magnitude of the mission they have undertaken...yet.
I copied and forwarded Baldwin's message to everyone in my men's
prayer group. Get this out by copying and emailing friends. It is a powerful statement from and about Christians. This information can spread like wildfire if emailed to the right people in big churches.
False preachers
Have something to gain by creating sheep of their congregation.
I hate to say it, but a good many pastors out there seem to be more interested in building a big money church than teaching the actual lessons of Christ.
Kind of reminds me of like a
Kind of reminds me of like a christian modern thomas paign.
When the Christ preached is weak and anemic...
When the Christ preached is weak and anemic, the Christ that is preached in most churches today, what do we expect from the churches?
The sovereign Christ who accomplishes what he sets out to accomplish the one who loses none of his sheep, the one whose blood is not shed in vain, the one whose sacrifice and love and grace are efficacious, THAT Christ has been forgotten and exchanged for a weak, anemic, sissy Christ, who begs and pleads and cries for those he tries so very hard to save but just can't quite do it.
So when the churches of our day exchange the true Christ of the Scriptures for one of their own imagination, it is no wonder that the ones who claim to follow him would follow in step.
When the Christ preached is weak and anemic...
When the Christ preached is weak and anemic, the Christ that is preached in most churches today, what do we expect from the churches?
The sovereign Christ who accomplishes what he sets out to accomplish the one who loses none of his sheep, the one whose blood is not shed in vain, the one whose sacrifice and love and grace are efficacious, THAT Christ has been forgotten and exchanged for a weak, anemic, sissy Christ, who begs and pleads and cries for those he tries so very hard to save but just can't quite do it.
So when the churches of our day exchange the true Christ of the Scriptures for one of their own imagination, it is no wonder that the ones who claim to follow him would follow in step.
Amen brother.
Amen brother.
The Best Analysis of What is Going Wrong in the USA
Maybe Chuck Baldwin should be our VP.
I second that motion
look at my post below in regards to Chuck being the VP.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Good article but....
.....why does the Constitution party push Alan Keyes?
Because
he makes them laugh. :O)
So True...
I'm going to have to go down and visit Dr. Baldwin's church, one day.
sounds good
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Well, not really.
Baldwin is wrong about many things. For example; he says "Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord Jesus Christ."
We all killed Jesus Christ according to God's plan for the salvation of Mankind. The Jews condemned him, yes. But, the Romans executed Jesus. Jesus came to die. Baldwin, is there any other way redemption could come about?
Have you ever noticed how all these guys call themselves "pastor". They want to lord it over us religiously. It's more like Pastor Disaster as many like Baldwin, men without a calling from God to be ministers, take upon themselves the role of pastor.
You atheists; don't think I side with you- you're to be most pitied.
Your comments sound more like Mel Gibson than what is TRUTH
"We all killed Jesus Christ according to God's plan for the salvation of Mankind. The Jews condemned him, yes. But, the Romans executed Jesus. Jesus came to die. Baldwin, is there any other way redemption could come about?"
The above paragraph was stated CONTINUALLY over & over by Mel Gibson during the launch of his movie The Passion.
He was wrong.
We all did not KILL JESUS....for Christ himself said that "NO ONE TAKES MY LIFE, but I WILLINGLY lay it down".
As far as THE JEWS condemning him....wrong again.....there were some (the pharisees) that wanted to see him killed but there were MANY other JEWS that cried out for him to be RELEASED and were present at his crucifixion and mourned deeply.
Remember the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas? He prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation and that it was expedient that one man should die for the people so that the whole nation not perish. (Jn 11:50-52) Caiaphas did not do this of himself but was moved to prophecy.
You are correct that the Romans executed him, but once again Christ himself said "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin".
Yahweh is sovereign. He allowed all of this to happen for HIS HOLY purposes from the foundation of the earth....for CHRIST is the LAMB SLAIN from the foundation of the earth. "For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Rom 8:20-21).
Most in Christendom believe that it was all ADAMS FAULT and this caught God unaware so now God must come up with a plan B.
Nope.
This has been plan A all along. I would highly recommend that you study the Law of Redemption and Law of Jubilee in the Old Testament...for this will shed much light on the BEAUTY of REDEMPTION for those that ENTER IN now....and for ALL THE REST during JUBILEE. For all these are types/shadows that point to the REALITY of our Inheritance in Him.
Your tone seems harsh at the end towards athiests.....I hope that I am reading that wrong.
Christ died to SAVE ALL....and HE WILL BE ALL IN ALL....for He is the beginning and THE END....
Most 'christians' have not FULLY comprehended the FULL PAYMENT of Christ's death for the WHOLE WORLD....it is shortchanging the price that was paid by my wonderful LORD and SAVIOUR.
Yes, all will get to choose this day whom they will serve, but even if they reject Christ in this age, eventually they will understand that
nothing can separate them from HIS LOVE and eventually EVERY KNEE will bow (willingly...b/c they themselves will finally know of Him and His love) and their TONGUES will FREELY confess Him as Lord.
HalleluYah!
Hmmm
Fact is that everyone and everything is in God's plan. Without the bad guys and human ignorance nothing could be fulfilled. However history proves exactly what he said, and just because it is in God's overall plan doesn't mean your supposed to just roll over, accept the evil plan, and die. Your supposed to be spreading the word and the message of Christ through your words and actions, not cowering down somewhere accepting slavery and waiting for the STHtF. Knowing these things and not spreading/sharing the truth is the same as denying Christ. JMHO
"While there's leaves in the forest
And foam on the river,
MacGregor, despite them,
Shall flourish forever!"
Sir Walter Scott
Hmmm...
You said: "But, the Romans executed Jesus."
Baldwin said: "Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord Jesus Christ."
Wasn't Pontius Pilot the governor of Iudaea in Rome and ordered that Jesus be crucified? If so, Baldwin is correct.
Correct in what I said
The Romans did the actual execution of Christ. The Jews had no lawful authority at the time of Roman occupation to do so.
Speak for yourself.
"We all killed Jesus Christ"
I wasn't there. Were you?
"you're to be most pitied."
Gee, you people sure are smug. You must know the answers to life, the universe, and everything to be that smug, right?
-jcr
42
The answer is 42, which is the outer limits of HR 393.
Yes, you were
Our sins were what Jesus was killed for.
As we are all descended from Adam, who was our federal head, we were all present.
We Christians have never claimed to have the answers to all things, but we do know that the God has them all and that he has furnished us with the bible which explains, in brief, most things. Atheism has no hope- just fancy high sounding words that appear to be wisdom. An atheist has no solid foundation for anything. How can an atheist say a human being has any more value than a dog? He can't- what would he base it on?
What if you're wrong?
What if I'm wrong?
Well, what if you're wrong, and I join your church because you're so persuasive, and when we die we find out that Thor and Odin are going to kick our asses for subscribing to that middle-eastern nonsense instead of worshipping them? I mean, didn't we hear thunder whenever it rained? How could we be so blind as to think that Thor didn't exist? Got anything to offer to protect me from picking the wrong ticket in the gods r us lottery?
Atheism has no hope- just fancy high sounding words that appear to be wisdom.
Fancy words like "oh, ye of little proof"?
-jcr
42
;)
Very nice
All Christians should read this.
yes, and you can help make that happen
I've got a few contacts who will be getting this in email from me.
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Well worth reading ...
in its entirety.
I am sending to some friends - thank you.
*** God bless Ron Paul ***
* Ron Paul For President *
I don't blame you
I did too.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Go Pastor Chuck!
He's growing on me in a serious way...
I believe
Dr. Baldwin would make a great VP for RP. As both understand the "very" limited role of the VP.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Love it!
Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the political and business elite who oppressed our Pilgrim forebears. It was the political and business elite who tried to stamp out liberty and independence from the American colonies. And it is those same political and business elite who are forcing globalism, socialism, and fascism upon the American people today.
So a vote for anyone but Ron Paul is a vote for Satan!!!!
yes
that was one of my favorite parts too.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
lol
Pastor Baldwin said doo-doo...:-)
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
sorry..
I tried to format it right...The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison