My Take on the Truthers at the DC Event

I am a "Truther" myself but I think a Ron Paul march is NOT THE PLACE to demonstrate. You will end up not only sabotaging Ron Paul but anyone running on a Ron Paul platform around the country. We've come SO far to have our movement stalled or even killed by such an unnecessary display. This march is NOT about 9/11, period. To everything, there is a season, right? If this was a spontaneous, grassroots march I'd say differently, but this was called for by Ron Paul himself, therefore his name is all over it in a very official way. Truthers, please, use your heads.

So is everybody else
even the MSM and cheeks full o' nuts McCain
Freedom brings us together - remember 8]

... is that Truthers got the campaign going and they should be more than welcome at ANY Ron Paul event.

;-)

As a lover of conspiracy theory, I personally don't know a Ron Paul supporter who doesn't have at least one issue someone would call a conspiracy theory be it 9-11, NAU, JFK, Moon Landing, Nibiru, Global Warming, on and on...My own is the conspiracy of Angslinger, DuPont and Heasrt making cannabis illegal. I've been told more than once my conspiracy theory is BS and I smoke too much pot.

That said, I read your post the other day and I have been thinking about it because it struck me how you set the grounds to divide Ron Paul rEVOLution for the march/rally...I could say, "I support the truthers, they introduced me to Ron Paul, so if they are not good enough for Ron Paul, well that includes me too. I will no longer be supporting Ron Paul because some Ron Paul supporters are targeting truthers and pushing them out".

Perhaps the truthers should boycott the event or ask for permission to hold a counter rally, where they can have their own protection against RP supporters like you?

We can easily remove truthers as RP supporters. I don't know how easy it would be to replace them. Maybe you know and can tell me? Thank you ColdFusion.

I agree with this post, while i find it amazingly odd that the government knew who did it and had their pictures avqailable within hours of the attack,,,, i believe that this is demonstrative to the common goal.

it gives the establishment ammo to use against us.

The US government could target a satellite in space and hit it perfectly but could not stop four renegade planes that they knew where off course in one single day ? Think about it ? they try to tell you they didn't have the technology ? The pentagon alone is surrounded by SAM"S and is a no fly zone. Think ? not possible ? no shit !

If anybody here thinks there are enough people in the Ron Paul movement alone to create a huge march, you are delusional. If we want to make an impact, we have to link up with several other groups who desire freedom and transparency in government. That will have to include the 9-11 truth movement if we expect to have a decent turnout. All you on this board who alienate them are making a HUGE mistake. We should also link up with anti-war groups, patriot groups, state militia, cubans, anti-immigration groups, healthcare agendas, anti-drug war groups, alternative medicine groups, homeschoolers, religious groups, the list goes on and on. There are a lot of people in this country who have a serious problem with the way our government is running things. If we want to get any attention and make any real changes, we need to combine forces with all of these various factions and create one giant umbrella movement. We might have differences here and there, but we should not allow ourselves to be divided and conquered. Let's put aside our petty differences and bring together all movements whose basic desire is freedom. Then we can march on Washington with numbers not seen since the Civil Rights Movement. Without numbers like that, we will not achieve anything real.

Maybe if we would have done a better job at including other movements during the campaign we would have had a better turnout.

911 was an inside job.

I just ask that they concentrate on the theme of the March.

The constitution, liberty and message of Dr. Paul..

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/37640

This march should be, in essence, The March For Freedom, Liberty, and the Constitution, Led By Ron Paul, as opposed to simply The March For Ron Paul

It is an unavoidable reality that there will be individuals who show up at this march and express controversial points of view. Even if you were able to get every single Ron Paul supporter to agree on which views should and should not be expressed (which will never happen), there will be people who show up who are not even supporters of Ron Paul. Some will even be our enemies seeking to undermine and divide us.

If it is The March For Ron Paul, there will inevitably be some Ron Paul supporters who will try to silence those who express views that they find too controversial (with the good intentions of "protecting" Ron Paul and his campaign). There will division amongst the marchers and a widespread collectivist mentality that is contrary to what Ron Paul stands for.

If it is The March For Freedom, Liberty and The Constitution, Led By Ron Paul, we will not be prone to such division and collectivism. We won't encourage this collectivist mindset where everyone argues about what hurts Ron Paul and what doesn't and who needs to be censored by the majority. Though most of the people there will be loudly supporting Ron Paul (as they should), there will not be a need for one group of people to try to silence another. There won't be a discussion about whether or not "we" should "let" people exercise their first amendment rights. Instead, we can all embrace the fact that people are exercising their God-given right to speak freely, which is a big part of what we are fighting to preserve by marching in the first place.

Furthermore, we will show the country and the world that, unlike the supporters of other candidates, we support Ron Paul not because of a cult of personality, but because we share his values and beliefs. We will demonstrate that we don't just talk the talk of freedom, we walk the walk and practice what we preach.

"The freedom message brings us together; it doesn't divide us"
- Ron Paul

"Truther" is a slur. Most Truthers just want what everyone should want, the truth. More transparency in government should be a major talking point for us. No one advocates government accountability like those seeking RP for office. That is why we draw so many people that feel 9/11 was an inside job. Thats usually not the only aspect that they support of rp's campaign. I. after many months of careful study and consideration, have come to the conclusion that 9/11 was orchestrated by elements within our own society. That doesn't mean I don't think RP is smart even though he doesn't espouse those beliefs. I don't even think he secretly believes that. I pray everyday that he is right. I have never, in my life, wanted so badly to be proven wrong. I love RP's platform, all of it. The only aspect of being a "truther" that draws me to RP, is the promise of a transparent government. I don't even care if we go back and find out for sure. I just want to know that we'll never have leaders that do secret things with the product of my labor. I get sick thinking about the money I earned that was spent on bombs *shiver*

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1381640232?b...

I was lucky to be asked to do communications for this truther group. And it felt strange yet wonderful to be in the capitol of the superpower of the world - in broad daylight - interacting with D.C.P - N.P.D. - S.S. & EMS employees.

That took courage.

The Mall is big - really big.

Sounds like the U.S. Department of Ed. has done it's job well... dumb 'em down.

It's facism and collectivism to even think about isolating any group of people - especially for non-violently calling attention to government secrecy.

It's heroic to persist in the demand for government truth.

Heroes make people uncomfortable - until the truth comes out finally.

While my thought patterns have never paralleled 'we made you what you are today so our needs come first and dont you dare argue with us about it because it's our right to disrupt your ventures' ... I was politically disinterested and apathetic, working for Brown Brother's Harriman Bank (Prescott Bush) until someone shared information with me that made me question 9/11. Now Ron Paul's campaign dominates my whole life.

Rosie, Charlie, WILLIE NELSON and Craig Roberts and a MILLION OTHER PAST MEMBERS OF GOVERNMENT AND OTHERS...

SAY WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH... the "TRUTH"

As in WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND WHY...

But I guess they are all just high..

I guess buildings all COLLAPSING THROUGH THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS..

Is a very very very common place occurence...

SURE

However, NOW we are looking to show our "TRUE" support, and that includes the 9/11 truth movement. If we are the only ones telling the truth, let's tell it all and show that we are not idiots believing the mass media. I personally do not believe the "official" story, who could? Buildings falling by themselves, pictures of firemen in front of massive beams that were cut at an angle. Lets get real. These people, like Dr Paul. really are telling the truth. Let's finally give them some respect for their non-befuddles observations. I for one welcome ALL supporters to participate.

I wish y'all the best at the "whatever it is".

I showed a movie to one of my relatives a couple of days ago, this being Feb. 21, and she said that "she didn't want to know that the government did it". This is rough stuff without a doubt! I won't press the issue but reguardless, I believe it to be true! I'm not convinced that it belongs at a "march". It'll stand on its own if enough folks are willin' to SHOUT about it!

Not necessarily the best one but it has good parts:

911 Conspiracy - In Plane Sight - ThePowerHour.com

I suspect parts of are on YouTube.

Yes, the majority of people in this country, the whole world for that matter, think that tragic day was an 'inside job'.

If that's true, then it's one more example of the dismal job our public schools have done in teaching critical thinking skills.

-jcr

will be whatever it becomes.
There is no way to control thousands of people for crying out loud!!

your a dick.

Let's say for a moment that 911 didn't happen, Ron Paul was running for president, and there was a planned march on DC.

Now I have a personal issue with the FDA backing Aspartame. I think it's a poison, and have 2 relatives that were big users who both died of brain tumors. There's also been a ton of independent(not connected to the business in any way), university level research that finds that this product is indeed toxic. However, the official line by industry, manufacturers and others (who are paid by them or quote them :p ) is that it's a wonderful sugar substitute.

Should I use the gathering and possible media attention of an RP march on DC to promote my agenda of banning what I feel is a poison? The answer is no - if it's connected to Ron Paul in any way it's only as a possible distant side issue.

But 911 is different. The heart of Ron Paul's message is the US Constitution. And it's arguable that even though the Constitution has been slowly eroded for many years, this was greatly accelerated after 911.

I personally don't beleive the government's story, nor do I think the Commission report was truly independent and fair. But calling for another *government* investigation is folly, imo. Independent researches have done much more than government could accomplish, even if some powerful people in government didn't have a vested interest in keeping stuff from the public eye.

The fact is, many people are AFRAID to voice what they think. I hold a job working with the public, in Australia(US Citizen) and even here I mentioned recently to a customer that I "didn't beleive the US government's story". She actually sighed releif and thanked me - there are many of us who percieve they are isolated and alone in their beliefs. This is where media has their advantage in perceptions of the herd - silencing us by telling us what the majority thinks, and demonising those who aren't part of the *common*.

Would Ron Paul's campaign have as much support had 911 not happened? Had the war not happened? If people were becoming more aware of Gov instrusiveness, rapid loss of Civil rights, gov in bed with corporations running roughshod over the US Constitution?

I think this is a critical issue, even if Paul shys from it. As long as the official myth of 911 persists, then persons in government will use it to further destroy the Republic, Civil liberties, the Constitution, not to mention getting their way with "protection" by having a "common north American border".

Whatever you beleive about 911 - it is being used by all presidential hopefuls. On this issue, Paul's campaign focuses on the aftermath. In the others to varying degrees - they use it to increase what Paul is campaigning against.

I'd love to see all "truthers" hold signs condemning gov torture, holding up the Constitution, civil rights (even for those feared as enemies), habeous corpus etc. But do any of those things have that much weight when the public is afraid of a handful of nasty crazy arabs who are maniacally murderous in their intention to destroy "freedom"?

Alex is a total nut-job! And 9/11 truthers make me look bad!

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what I believe to be my 1st amendment right to freedom of speach,also top assemble ,I will be leaving my gun home by choice not mandate!I believe in peace but we need to stop the insults to the truthers right now!
It is my right to be a truther and the people who are not in my opinion have not looked at one shred of evidence or are trolls! Us truthers new about the new world order,cfr,trilaterial comm,burgerbuilders long before RP got in the race! now we are suppost to believe we are crazy about 911
but the cfr,tri,burger,nwo are real? lol idiots!

Truthers were my big concern until today when I read three posts that said "Be Sure To Bring Your Gun to the March" Suddenly I'm getting a bad feeling about this march !! Someone needs to put a real focus on exactly what the message of the march will be !!

Fortune Favors the Bold

Personally, I don't think "9/11" was an inside job. Such an incredible orchestration of events and secrecy would not be possible, nor would it be attempted. If government powers wanted to stage a false flag terror attack, they would pick an easier target that would be less disruptive to their working order (not the Pentagon and world trade center)
I'll admit it's POSSIBLE Bush and company had some prior knowledge of a terrorist attack, similar to how FDR may have had some knowledge of the pearl harbor attack. I doubt they knew the specifics.
My point is, 9/11 is over, and saying it was an inside job is going to alienate people. In other words, they aren't even going to listen to anything you have to say. If you talk about things that are verifiable, like the North American Union and the CFR, people may become curious and research for themselves. These issues are more important in my opinion, since nothing can be done about 9/11, but something can be done about future plans. If it was in fact an inside job, as you claim, the best way to get evidence about that is to research the globalist cabal as a whole and develop a coherent picture. But too many people will simply say, "O, they're can't be a NAU or a NAFTA highway, because that's what 9/11 truthers say. As far as Alex Jones, i don't think Paul should stop associating with him. I think Jones may be right about some things but wrong about others. Just as Paul talks to many people on groups whose views he doesn't agree with 100 percent. We have to get out of this "agree with me on everything or I won't help with anything mentatilty"
That goes for both sides of this debate.

They are part of our movement.

However, any activist should only bring signs for Ron Paul. He is the one that has shown us the way and it is up to us to respect his wishes. He said he does not want them to flaunt the subject. So that is what we must do. But do not put them down like the MSM puts us down. They call ALL OF US WHACKJOBS!!! Remember?

Here is a place to take out your aggressions www.ringsiderevolution.com

Trying to exclude anyone with a sincere desire for freedom and a responsible message, even if the message is treated as "crazy" or "kooky" by the MSM (who aren't going to give us a fair shake no matter what we do) is following an "ends justify means" methodology. Perhaps if all of Dr. Paul's supporters treated each other's ideas and theories with respect rather than disdain then maybe other people would start to accept those ideas as less than fringe.

What are you saying? This self rightous bull**** on this website is really starting to get under my skin. This is a Freedom rally not just for Ron Paul but for all who see what's happening in our country. This includes 911 truthers. Have you actually ever done a little bit of research on some of their theories. They aren't as crazy as you and everyone else make them out to be. Look at the wreckage site of the pentagon and I dare you to tell me there was a plane there. If they want to carry a damn sign that says 911 truth then by god let them. Let's not start silencing people because we disagree with them. What do you suggest we have a secret police roaming around to take everyone's signs that doesn't fit neatly into Dr. Pauls beliefs? Why dont we just round up all the truthers and put them in a detention camp. That would keep them from spoiling the rally. What are you actually suggesting we should do? If we make this event about Dr. Paul and Dr. Paul only then be prepared for a few thousand people only. This needs to be about our country being hijacked and our freedoms being destroyed.

P.S. If truthers want to show up at any event in the U.S. and wave their flags all day long then let them. Who are you to deny them this right?

Wilmington NC LOVES Dr. Paul

Truthers should cease and desist already. What does Paul have to do with 9/11 was an inside job stuff? NOTHING. So why bring it up in Ron Paul forums, marches, or whatever? Why?

I've reposted the following link to the AAA rated video about the Ron Paul 'convoy training programme' or CTP:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcBaOgEY-Hk&eurl=http://www.b...

'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K

This is a call to force Ron Paul to stop having any contact with Alex Jones, or appearing on his show. If he knows what is good for him, Ron Paul will stop having any contact with known truthers. Oh wait, but Ron Paul hasn't done that. Why not?

Geez, if I wanted to hear all this anti-truth rhetoric I'd go to neo-con outlets like Michelle Malkin or Little Green Footballs. They have no problem attacking the truth movement, and ridiculing all those that support it. Kind of like the way they treat Ron Paul and his supporters.

Hey truthers, what could it mean when our allies, so-called Ron Paul supporters, adopt the same language as our enemies (neo-cons)? Perhaps they are neither allies, nor Ron Paul supporters. When I first read this post, the first thought that I had was, "people like me (truthers) aren't welcome at this march". Who would that benefit to make Ron Paul supporters feel unwelcome at the march? The only thing that can make this march work is numbers. We have people on this list wanting to exclude fervent Ron Paul supporters, or at the very least make them feel unwelcome. Why? Why try to ridicule and discredit a group of people that love and support Ron Paul?

Nearly every position that Ron Paul takes is the minority postion right now. If we limit ourselves to only putting forth the popular message then what do we have left? Anytime you take the minority position you are in danger of being ridiculed by the majority. If we are going to let fear of what the majority thinks of us dictate what we say, then we are silenced, and truly doomed.

My take on this whole subject.

From the point of veiw of the guy who is asking that so called "truthers" not be vocal about the 9/11 thing, he/her is just trying to reclaim focus on the election itself. At the same time though has confined his/her point of veiw to the entirety of this movement. There are people from all walks of life here, and the thing you are failing to see is they have all been screwed. That is why they are all assembling together for this one cause.

Think of the patriots in the superbowl, if you were not a patriots fan, you rooted against them. Not because you were a giants fan, hell you might have been a cowboy fan, but you rooted for the Giants. Why? Because we all put aside our differences to defeat the juggernaut that has been beating us all.

Think of it from the so called "truthers" point of view. Now it would be the equivalent of a Mcain supporter telling you to shut up about Ron Paul. Imagine the Mcain supporter comming in here and saying, "yea we know the whole things corrupt, but don't rock the boat with this whole crazy Ron Paul thing." They would tell you it may be that we are going broke and getting robbed but don't focus on the big picture, just worry about our short term goals, getting elected, America winning the war on terror, and such.

How would you feel as a "RON PAUL TRUTHER" for them to ask you to shut up so that we can focus on shopping and going about our daily lives with out having to worry about all this Crazy "Monitary Policy Talk".

Leave the guys who want to prove 9/11 was an inside job alone! Leave them be, it's there choice what's important to them, not yours! If they Joined the Movement for that cause then so what!

9/11 Truthers I am glad to have you on our side, the side of the people through out history who have been oppressed, decieved and marginalized through out human history. Im glad to have anyone who is against Tyranny on the side of Freedom,

You are all welcomed in my eyes.

As a matter of fact if there were people with a million different causes there, that would only go to show how each and everyone of us is getting shafted in one form or another.

I could imagine looking out into the crowd and seeing the various signs from all walks of life.

I would then stand there and be proud that all these people with all these problems would all agree on one common answer, THAT WE NEED RON PAUL!!!!!!!

The constitution is the the revolution.

The Seeds of Truth we Plant today will grow to be the Tree of Freedom tommorow.