Forget "Truthers" what about Agent Provocateurs at the March! That's the main concern.

I'm so glad Ron Paul is True Hope posted about agent provacateurs (sp?) lol. I had the same exact thought and was making a mental note to log on and post the exact same thing! Exactly the same thing: re: the provacateurs at the SPP summit in Quebec last year and re: Pier 57 in NYC during the Republican Nat'l Convention in '04, wasn't it?

Scene: hundreds, even thousands of police in full mob gear surround the march site, making the atmosphere less "fun" and more "scary." Unbeknownst to us, hired thugs wearing Ron Paul t-shirts join the march. We'd have no idea who they were. The media is ready and in position to film. The 'provacateurs' do something terribly stupid/illegal. On cue, the riot police rush in and start doing what riot police are trained to do to out-of-control mobs.

Yes, I'm actually concerned about this possibility. Truthfully, I'm not so sure this action will pay off. Not to talk about 911 again, but, just as an example, We Are Change.com had a HUGE 911 Truth march in NYC on the anniversary last September, and the media just ignored it. Unless you lived in NYC, I think most Americans don't even know it happened. BTW, these rallies in HUGE numbers were happening all over the world on that same day, and again, zippo in our tv news & newspapers. "Didn't even happen." Should something go wrong, and we get injured/jailed/receive bad press, it could potentially hurt the movement a great deal, and what's really to gain? If it goes well, the media won't cover it at all. It it goes very badly, it will be front page news. As we all know, the media is not on our side in this battle.

Our Continental Army used, as you know, guerilla warfare against the standing (literally!) British Army. It was extremely effective as you know and very frustrating for the British. Our numbers currently are spread across the whole US (and the world) making us, as a group, a very difficult target to hit. Wouldn't an enemy LOVE to have thousands of us all packed together like sardines in a tight little space for about twelve hours? I mean, think about it.

It's really a substantial risk. That's all I'm saying.

Let's pls continue to discuss this and give it some thought before we act.

Does anyone know how long it will be before we get the date, we don't want to run out of hotel rooms, if there are a lot of other people there at same time of march, and never being there before I am wondering how busy it gets in the spring or summer.

Have none of you people been to a large march or rally? Talk to someone who has, find out what they have done to prevent their's from becoming a riot. I assure you, every large rally or march as had trouble with a small group of people and the way I've seen it being taken care of is with those within the March knowing how to respond when they see it happen. They simply surround the person or group of people with overwhelming numbers and "smother" the disturbance. I don't know what goes on in the center of the group but the disturbance never gets media attention because it's put out before it can get started. In other words, you box it in and hide it with layers of tight bodies and the march goes on.

You simply keep this in the spirit of 1776 -- it's to restore the government under the Constitution, not to overthrow the government as our adversaries are tryhing to do.

AND, everyone should READ page 110 of Andrew Napolitano's book "A Nation of Sheep" and learn how NOT to fall for confrontations.

If anyone in our group tries to get violent with the police WE need to kick their ass or help the police do it.

And how to spell it correctly.

Q: Are you a member of dailypaul.com?
A: Yes.
Q: Is your account doing the 404?
A: Yes.

Begone foul imp.

See, easy!

I do not understand why people cant seem to understand

I will be there when the march happens We just need to make sure this is kept peaceful. You know the Stormtroopers will be out in full force and looking for a reason to start clubbing people.

The marchers simply need to police themselves.

If someone starts chucking rocks at police, or smashing store windows, they may be an agent provacatuer or they may just be a jerk. It makes no difference, we have a right to peaceably assemble, not riot, destroy property, and cause public disorder.

If someone starts damaging property or inciting violence, demand that they stop immediately, if they refuse, forcibly remove them from the march. If you don't the whole group is painted as a mob, and the police will push all of you off the street.

A free people have to police themselves, so if someone is doing violence among you show them the door. You have every right to intervene to protect people and property.

Deb

Identify them, document them with photographs and/or video, and should they break any laws have them arrested immediately.

Agent Provocateurs Identified as Police Officers
http://engagedspectator.w...

Quebec police admit agents posed as protesters
http://www.thestar.com/Ne...

Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/...

Agents Provocateurs Deployed at SPP Summit
http://www.prisonplanet.c...

Alex Jones exposes the SPP provocateurs
http://www.prisonplanet.c...

Stop SPP Protest - Union Leader stops provocateurs
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

1) A simple "training guide" to handle our response to them.
2) LOTS of video camera's

Problem solved...

=)

So would i be considered an agent provacateur if my thing is being against the war on drugs and lit up a doob?

My personal take on the matter is: There are those who talk about freedom. And there are those who exercise it. One could technically argue that Ron Paul's undying support for civil disobedience would in fact encourage me to do as such.

I mean, his heroes are Ganhdi and MLK, Rosa Parks, etc...

And i aint no hippy - i would likely be dressed like I just got back from golfing. I accept any and all risk that i could be cited or arrested.

I will add the following thought i borrowed from someone else that is pertinent to this issue: "Getting libertarians to all agree on something is about as pointless as herding cats." The idea here being that we are all somewhat anti-authoritarian in nature. As soon as we start saying who cannot and can come and how they can dress, protest, what signs are acceptable, who is an agent of the government, what ideas or conspiracies or whatever, etc... you will instantly see "who the fuck died and made you boss" type reactions. Which all these threads on this topic WILL eventually devolve into.

Just watch. Its already happening! Big tent v little tent!

Honestly, i really do get sick of the free mummia peeps. They were handing out shit at every anti-war rally in Chicago and asking for money for this guy. Ughhhh. But who the hell am I to tell them their cause is pointless and that they should therefore exercise their right to be stupid somewhere else?

If you embrace freedom, you embrace both the good and the bad aspects of it. I would hope that the good outweighed the bad - but i certainly wouldn't pretend to be the ONE who decided what is "good" or "bad" If i wanted that, I would vote for & support McInsane!!

Hell, even if Dr Paul himself were to take it upon himself to lay the ground rules...i think most people would instantly question HIS authority in this area. Which is exactly what HE would do if someone tried to do it to him. So yeah...might as well embrace the whirlwind. You cant control the uncontrollable and it would be counter productive to even try.

My title asks "What is acceptable?" But it really is pointing at the more important question, "Who" decides. Think long and hard about that and Ron Paul's embrace of freedom before answering.

This is why I suggest that we make this The March For Freedom, Liberty and The Constitution, Led By Ron Paul, as opposed to The March For Ron Paul.

See this thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/...

That is the truth! I think it is sad that some of us think that we are more RP than others, more deserving, truer, etc etc

Fact is when we do this, we just end up sounding like McBain and Romney at the last debate arguing about who is the Wariest Surgier firstest. Cant you see that?

WE have all come to Dr. Paul for different reasons, and we were all right. We should welcome all, with open arms. ALL! Regardless of their reason or sign! This is about celebrating our differences, our individuality, our Freedom.

Regardless of what you may think, the 'Truthers' didnt hurt this movement in any way. Period. Dr. Paul knew darn well what audience he was talking with on Alex Jones' Radio show. So dont blame a part of his audience.

By now you must have realized that the media was not going to let this message through with out a fight. Much like they have not let the voices of our troops out, their families, the victims of 911's families, or the first responders families. I could go on for days... But it all culminates in the fact that they have not let your voice out.

See you in Washington!

First, let's keep all rp supporters together as one big identifiable group. We can do this by giving ourselves (those displaying rp gear, signs, etc.) top tier or forward placement status. In other words, when a rp supporter arrives at the rally, he/she moves ahead of anyone displaying other than rp items. We support each other doing this in a nonconfrontational manner. This will result in a large rp only group with others at our back and sides. We are being united without being exclusionary at the rally. Second, if anyone of us is unfairly attacked by security forces, we must all jump in to defend our compatriot. The strategy used in past demonstrations/rallies is where the police make an example of one person at a time. They have been successful because no others come to that persons aid. We must not let this happen. We will have the overwhelming majority and must protect our individual rights. They may be able to subdue a few of us, but not all of us. No provocations here. We must be peaceful but vigilant. If attacked, we must defend ourselves, individually, and if necessary, collectively.

God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell

It's important for everyone who is supporting Ron paul that is attending be very clear what a March is. Ron Paul has asked for a March, not a Rally or a Protest or a Democration, so whoever, is it his campaign? If his campaign is booking the event, because someone needs to book the date, buy insurance, buy police, buy sheriffs, buy staging, sound, flyers, have meetings for planning and coordnating buses, staff security, volunteers...and to be honest, knowing what I do about Ron Paul and we rEVOLutionaries (and to me that's what we are) I think the event should sell T-Shirts to Volunteers and has as many volunteers as you can. Everyone whoukld want a Volunteer or some kind of "I'm with the campaign" shirt (even those who couldn't go)...

March 17th in the 6th annual antiwar march on Washington. That's who we need to beat (or better yet, get to join us).

My suggestion to event attendents is to:

Wear Sunscreen, sunglasses, hat, walking/running shoes, comfortable clothes, an ID, and water. That's it. (cell phone)

You can lose backpacks, purses, wallets easy.

I do not suggest you bring signs or anything unless the campaign or someone who knows what's going on has asked you...

Many times organizers have all that for you free, and related "authorized vendors" have some to buy. The reason to go is because you believe in the reason and you want to meet like minded people...Mike here could sell Daily Paul Tees for people..this is really a great opportunity for Meet ups to make some bucks (for Ron Paul).

I wouldn't worry about counter marchers. That's not my job or the reason I would go.

This march is about FREEDOM. That means COME ONE COME ALL. Anarchists, racists, bigots, homsexuals , white, black, asian, mexican, saints, sinners, liars, angels, AMERICANS ... People marching with messages that may be detrimental to the march or to the message will be there. But guess what.. it is their RIGHT as an AMERICAN to be there and express themselves freely. It also our RIGHT to let them know respectfully that their sign is undermining the cause of the march and could they please change or not present their sign.

I think people should think long and hard about bringing young children to this event.

I totally agree. I've been to several marches and rallys in DC, even Bush 2's first innauguration, and they're always there mugging for the camera with big flags, banners, and signs: A.N.S.W.E.R., Anarchists (black & red flags), Worker's World Party (fist), Free Mumia people, Palestinians (flags), communists (hammer & sycle flags), etc.

I suppose we'll just have to outnumber them with Betsy Ross and Gadsden flags.

If you are not OUTRAGED, you're not paying attention!

nobody is excluding anybody - the march is not about wether 9/11 was an inside job or not.
some of you twoofers are just so stoopid.

Can't you arrange your twoofer rally seperately, and still come to this rally?

we must start connecting with our local law enforcement. DC groups need to connect and assure them this is a peaceful rally. I'm sure HQ will make this very clear. However, we suspect some may show up to turn things ugly. As an RP supporter, I will be the first to STOP violent "RP" supporters. These folks will not get near the police. My civil disobedience will be stopping these pricks. I will not be alone, right brothers and sisters of the Revolution?

The sad thing about all of this is that no true supporter will mix 9/11, however thats the angle the bad apples will play and perpetuate the smear.