Purchase a FLAG and FLY it UPSIDE DOWN!
Posted February 13th, 2008 by nobrainer
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This will get the attention of people. They will ask questions and we got answers.
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Use the blimp
or RP Balloons, like Hot air balloons!!!!!!!!
How about we agree that you
How about we agree that you can do it in the privacy of your own home?(well you can it wherever it is your choice and your right) but just dont do it to provoke a response. If that means something to you to do it then hang it on your wall or something.
DO NOT DO THIS. People do
DO NOT DO THIS.
People do not understand this, and will take great offense to it. There is no space on the flag to explain this to people.
Fly A Ron Paul Flag Instead!
This is our Country! Our Parents, GrandParents and Generations Stood Firm to Get Us To This Point In Time. Change takes Time. Be patient. I don't want to be patient either, but, we have to.
If any of you have any ideas on new Ron Paul Flag designs or need some flags for a rally, let me know and we will do our best to help!
Please don't fly the U.S. Flag upside down. Don't do it!
Chris Johnson
RonPaulFlags.com
Do NOT do this
Most people will not get it. It will look disrespectful or stupid or both and they will not be talking to you about why you are doing it. For many others that do understand the significance it is frivolous and manipulative. Personally, I would find it offensive.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
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A much better approach is to fly a U.S. Civil Flag or another excellent alternative is fly your State Flag over the Stars and Strips signifying State rights and jurisdiction over Federal
"Civil flag" is a marketing scam (again)
The only people who want you to buy a "civil flag" are the people selling them.
There is no such thing. The ONE and ONLY flag of our country is the familiar one -- 50 white stars on a blue field, with 13 red and white horizontal stripes.
This "civil flag" is a fiction designed to sell more flags to a gullible audience.
At best the concept of the "civil flag" is a relic of history:
The problem is that the US has NEVER had a "civil flag" of any kind. All of the US -- from embassies to the Capitol building to military bases to state houses -- has always flown the normal flag (horizontal stripes).
The thing they try to sell you as a "civil flag" is really a United States Customs flag. Want proof? Do you want to be supporting the Customs Department? Really?
Want more proof? See here for a complete and thorough debunking of this nonsense.
Highlights:
Actually...(again)
the link you provided said: "While most were of the design of the Customs Bureau..." Meaning, the Civil Flag looked a lot like the Customs Flag. But, it wasn't THE Customs Flag because the Eagle was removed and replaced with a star for each state of the union. And there is a reason for that...
Every country has a Civil Flag. Each country's Civil Flag has the Coat-of-Arms removed. For example, here is Venezuela's Flag and here is Venezuela's Civil Flag.
So, the use of a Civil Flag actually has world history and is not only to "sell them to a gullible audience willing to believe in a made-up flag."
You said...
That is because no Civil Flag in the world is ever flown over any building associated with the government or military.
Doing 2.3 seconds of "research" is not adequate when trying to sound smart.
You apparently only read half - the OTHER scam "civil flag"
Read further down -- there are TWO scam flags being sold.
Scroll down to "The Theoretical 'Civil Flag' - Flag 2". I can't make a direct link.
There is NO evidence that a flag with blue stars on a white field EVER existed in US history, outside of people trying to make a buck purporting to sell some kind of liberty flag. None.
There are two scam flags -- one is the customs flag, the other is an invented flag with blue stars on a white field. Neither have any history as a "civil flag" or to somehow distinguish between civilian and military. One is the United States Customs Ensign, hardly a cause that Ron Paul supports, the other is pure fiction.
The fact that other countries have different flags for different purposes doesn't mean that the United States has ever had a "civil flag" that has any significance.
No...I read it all.
Civil Flags are not "official" flags of any country's government, as they do not represent the government, but rather the people.
A Civil Flag is "by the people, of the people" stuff, representing that the person does not recognize being owned/ruled by a king, but the free will granted by nature's God.
So, even though the government's in every country don't recognize them as "official," they are still very real.
Then you've admitted that it's completely invented
I'll admit that it's "real" in that it's physical: I can buy one and hold it in my hands.
But if you admit that there is NO significance to that particular design then it's ENTIRELY MADE UP. I could just as well take my Ron Paul flag and call it the "Civil Flag of the United States" since a Ron Paul flag has just as much history as this completely made-up "civil flag."
A flag is nothing more than a symbol, but this symbol happens to be entirely made-up.
I'll admit that all flags are "invented"...
There IS significance in that design, and I stated that in my first reply in this little string of comments (I said the coat-of-arms is removed and gave the example of Venezuela's "official" and "civil" flags).
The practice of using Civil Flags goes back hundreds of years and is as real as any legal definition of a flag, and there are rules in creating one.
One takes the flag of the land and removes the coat-of-arms, like I've already stated. The reason we have our Civil Flag is because this flag was used prior to the first American flag being commissioned. Of course, you have to remove the coat-of-arms. In our case it was the eagle that represented the governmental authority (Customs).
Therefore, it is the Civil Flag of The People of the United States of America. It was not invented by companies in the year 2000.
No, your Ron Paul flag cannot be called a civil flag, as it does not meet the requirements.
Every symbol is entirely made up. You're only argument seems to be that only a government authority can make up a "real" symbol, even though people have been creating their own symbols longer than this country has been around.
"Official" flags are for the government.
"Civil" flags are for the people.
There are "rules" to create both of them, and both are real. Neither one were created by a company to sell to gullible people.
Take the US flag and remove the coat of arms
You say "there are rules in creating" civil flags. This rule is that "one takes the flag of the land and removes the coat-of-arms".
Let's try that. The "flag of the land" is THIS. How do we know? Because 4 USC 1 defines the "flag of the United States." (50 stars is covered by 4 USC 2).
So then we "remove[] the coat-of-arms." We remove the coat of arms from the above to get: THIS.
By your own rules, that's the "Civil Flag of the United States."
By an amazing coincidence, this "other" flag you've invented really didn't exist until 2000. Yes, back in 1650 there was a flag with vertical stripes, but it had a US emblem on it, no stars on it, and was never used as a "civil flag" until people started hawking them for cash.
Blue stars on a white field never existed prior to people selling these flags for cash in the 2000s. Adding the blue stars is more than "removing the coat of arms" -- it's making a whole new flag.
You just want to argue.
The flag of the land WASN'T THIS when the Civil Flag was created in the 1760's from this flag that WAS flying at the time.
THIS flag wasn't even created until 1777, at which time the Civil Flag was already being flown.
No, that flag was NEVER flying
You keep saying that the flag with blue stars was flying in 1777 ("1777, at which time the Civil Flag was already being flown.")
There is not a single shred of evidence that a flag with a white field and blue stars ever flew in the 1700s.
Please find a single source that shows your blue-star flag flying in the 1700s. Just one.
You keep pointing to evidence that the Customs Ensign was flying in the 1700s. I'll fully agree that it was. But nobody had added blue stars on a white background until modern times.
already have a flag...
and have been flying it upside down and inverted (the proper way for a vertical flag "In Distress") since I learned about Ron Paul. On a side note, it actually adds a great conversational piece for those who visit my house. Everyone know I support the Constitution...Everyone that knows me know that I support Ron Paul...but when they step into my house and see the flag, the conversation starts. I have NEVER had someone leave my house without endorsing Ron Paul.
If any military person feels disrespected, explain what the flag in distress really represents. Most military men and women don't know the flag code...so at the bear minimum, it will educate them on that issue regardless of whom they support for president.
oh my god a guy flying a flag upside down.
What has this world come to a guy is flying a flag upside down. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are dying in a war we started over oil. You may not agree with the guy, but there are alot more things you people could be talking out against then some guy stating his OPINION his OWN way on his OWN PROPERTY. Anyways, rant off.. and remember all the people who fought in those wars fought for his freedom not a flag.. the flag is worthless without the people behind it..
Thanks for taking time away
from remembering those that have died to talk out against the people who are stating their own opinions on their own computer.
I think most of us are trying to make the point that it's not so much disrespecting the flag that's the concern. It's how the people that fought in those wars relate their service to the flag.
I'd be more worried that those who fought would be horribly saddened, than worried that the government would be upset.
HEY!
we indeed are in distress...:-)
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
Why not just kick a WWII vet in the nuts on National TV.
I am all for the idea though. How about wrapping American flags around rocks and whipping them at puppies, that would get some positive attention. I really do support the cause though.
How about buying a civil
How about buying a civil flag and flying it. Or even just flring it underneath the US flag?
Are you Serious
What in the world kind of a statement are you trying to make? It doesn't matter the meaning you have behind what you're doing, what matters is how people see it and they see it as unpatriotic and downright disrespectful. If you plan on going through with this kind of madness, at least keep ron paul signs away with from it. We already have enough trouble convincing people that we aren't anarchists trying to overthrow the government.
You know...
United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag
Political statements are not dire emergencies. And if they were, those that would respond to an upside down flag would probably not be friendly (here comes HS!).
I also think that many people have fought in wars they feel were needed to secure our freedoms, and these people are very deeply patriotic. I don't think they deserve to be exposed to such blatant disrespect to their service.... and they do take it very personally. They don't see it as a political statement to the government.
I have a suggestion:
Buy a Civil Flag. It will make your point much more effectively, and instead of everyone fighting against you, they will honestly ask WHAT flag is THAT?
http://uscivilflags.org/p...
"Civil flag" is a marketing scam
The only people who want you to buy a "civil flag" are the people selling them.
There is no such thing. The ONE and ONLY flag of our country is the familiar one -- 50 white stars on a blue field, with 13 red and white horizontal stripes.
This "civil flag" is a fiction designed to sell more flags.
At best it's a relic of history
with no significance today, other than profit for those who sell them to a gullible audience willing to believe in a made-up flag.
The thing they try to sell you as a "civil flag" is really a United States Customs flag. Want proof? Do you want to be supporting the Customs Department? Really?
Want more proof? See here.
Actually...
the link you provided said: "While most were of the design of the Customs Bureau..." Meaning, the Civil Flag looked a lot like the Customs Flag. But, it wasn't THE Customs Flag because the Eagle was removed and replaced with a star for each state of the union. And there is a reason for that...
Every country has a Civil Flag. Each country's Civil Flag has the Coat-of-Arms removed. For example, here is Venezuela's Flag and here is Venezuela's Civil Flag.
So, the use of a Civil Flag actually has world history and is not only to "sell them to a gullible audience willing to believe in a made-up flag."
Doing 2.3 seconds of "research" is not adequate when trying to sound smart.
See response upthread
See my response up the thread, here.
OH god! Did you desicrate this flag? Thats Right!
certinly his right to do so...and hes right its not desicration it IS a distress signal...IMO. Cant blame him for it. I support his cause...personally i probably wouldnt do it but i compleatly understand. Its the "flag sucking half-wits" as the late great Hunter S. Thompson would call them, that put up a fit about this. Patriotism is not blind obediance. It is however having the courage to step up when things are wrong with the country. Hes certinly a patriotic American.
Wait to do until the U.S.
Goes into Iran or the economy crashes big time