People who seek truth are good
Posted February 13th, 2008 by Kemp
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Those who wish to deny the truth seeking process are usually either fools or have something to hide.
Anyone who avidly seeks truth in a non-biased way, who really is passionate about knowing the real deal who, what, where, when, why and how, this is a friend of mine.
For those of you out there trying to bash 9/11 truthers, I say get your head out of the sand.
What exactly is wrong with wanting to know exactly what happened, detailed in a thorough manner, of one of the most terrible actions in the history of the United States?
I see nothing wrong with seeking the absolute truth in regards to this event.
If the story is exactly what was fed to the people, then it would be great to know that the accepted theories are true. If the story is not what has been fed to the people, obviously we need to know that.
Don't diss "truthers". There is nothing wrong with seeking a full, comprehensive story.
(FYI - my personal belief is that there are a lot of questions that have not been answered in regards to 9/11 and I think there needs to be a more full investigation. This attack has shaped our entire policy for 7 years and has helped justify continuous war, there needs to be an exhaustive explanation. Anyone battling this is a fool or has something to hide.)
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There is Nothing Wrong With IT
But, Like RELIGION, IT DOES NOT BELONG.
THE MARCH AND EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE RON PAUL CAMPAING.
DR. PAUL SAID,
"IF THEY CARE ABOUT ME THEY WILL STOP"!!!
PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION...
i see nystrom is censoring 9/11 discussions
Not admirable Michael. Ron Paul did not get where he is today by appealing to cowards. As we can see from the VA primaries he appeals to a very small percentage of the public. That small percentage is comprised of people who are not afraid of the truth. The vehement anti-9/11-truth minority on this site are being duped by the very crew they are rebelling against by supporting Ron Paul. Wake up, folks--neither Ron Paul nor anyone like him is going to win office until America breaks out of the matrix. 9/11 is the biggest, most modern piece of that matrix.
Don't jump the gun
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God loves all
truth seekers deniers or otherwise.
In your opinion
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Looking for Someone to Blame
After a tragedy, people look for someone to blame. Anger is a stage of grief. It really is too bad that the hijackers died. I'm sure, in some ways, we would have preferred a speedy public trial so we could ask all our questions.
It's also important to work one's way out of this stage of grief, which is, I think, what people are trying to do in seeking answers. Unfortunately, I don't know if that will ever be successful. Those who chose this route when JFK was killed have never gotten what they seek; they're stuck.
In the history of mankind, there are many, many tragedies like these that never get resolved. Just think of our MIA's! We may never know.
IMissLiberty
Exactly !!
Truth has gotten a bad rap lately.
The people who don't
The people who don't understand the 9/11 Truth Movement have it all backwards, all that is being fought is a new investigation into 9/11 and RP has called for that also!
Ron Paul Supports 9/11 Investigation
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Ron Paul Meets the Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
If you really believe
that there's something behind 9/11, it's alright. It's your understanding. The only thing we are concerned about is when you keep shoving what you believe or understand in our faces. It's getting a little bit old and annoying. You think Britney is still a virgin?
"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius
I couldn't agree more
"The only thing we are concerned about is when you keep shoving what you believe or understand in our faces."
Some people (and I don't know the poster, so maybe not him) are soooo obsessed with "9-11 truth" that when faced with an undecided who basically says:
"I am marginally interested in Ron Paul, but am sick of hearing the phrase '9-11 was an inside job', so I'll tell you what, if you never mention 9-11 to me again, I promise I will go home and actually consider Ron Paul, deal?"
Their response is to say: "but 9-11 waaaaas an inside job!!!!"
Then the guy leaves without the info and doesn't consider Ron Paul.
And when you try to politely point out that their actions just cost a potential sale they predictibly respond: "so you think 9-11 wasn't an inside job?" as if the issue was the truth-value of statement X at all.
THE ISSUE ISN'T WHETHER STATEMENT X IS TRUE OR NOT TRUE AT ALL THE ISSUE IS THAT EVEN MENTIONING STATEMENT X LOSES POTENTIAL SUPPORTERS.
Now nobody is saying your right to keep parroting statement X over and over again should be infringed, but at least be aware that by exercising your right to free speech, undecided voters will consequently exercise their right NOT to vote for Ron Paul.
Baaaaaa
Hi sheep,
Do you not think that people may be tired of hear "I support Ron Paul and the constitution, and freedom"? If not you should try actually getting out there and canvassing. But did that stop me because the last neighbor said they didn't want to hear? NO!
So your logic is full of fail. Now, 911 waaaasss an inside job.
Point is, we are winning. And the truth is powerful. Once a person comes to our side, they will NEVER go back to yours. So we will win. And all your crying will get you nothing. So do some homework and i'll see you when you're on the other side. Our side. I'll be patiently waiting, while continuing to tell people of the lies and distortion that has been fed to people to keep them in line.
Are you really that sheepish?
Aku Soku Zan
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Can someone dumb this rant down for me?
I really can't figure out why I'm even being accused of being a sheep.
Wake Up !
Definition of a 911 truther: One that does not believe the media's account of the attack on 911 and would like to know the truth. Do you have a problem with that ?
only if you have this inexplicable need to..
...spread this message everywhere all the time.
I don't believe in god, do you have a problem with that? I'm guessing no.
But what if i was ALWAYS in your face with my "there is no god" sign?
As I made clear in my posts... my issue isn't that X ISN'T true. It's that our job is to tailor our sales pitch for the freedom message to the audience.
At pro life events, for example, it makes no sense to yell at them that "Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation".
Do you have ANY reason to suspect that these attendees are already sympathetic to that issue?
Because we DO have a reason to believe these attendees at a pro life event are sympathetic to "Ron Paul supports life" messages.
Why not use those?
Yeah
I get you. I think this arguing is no longer needed.
Evan, you are just saying there is a time and place.
I agree.
I know we agree, but i felt the need to address shisedo..
...and the other dude who "don't get it".
I mean... I'm a freakin anarcho-capitalist.
And I guarantee I am as passionate about my belief in the truth of the perfect morality of the anarcho-capitalist system of gov't (or non government) as most "truthers" are about what they believe.
However I understand not to go up to little old ladies who are leaving church and start ranting about how ALL taxes are a violation of the non-aggression principle, how drunk driving laws are immoral and roads should be privatized and the owner can set whatever policy and speed limit he wants, and how ALL drugs should be legal.
If I really cared about getting Ron Paul elected, I would shut up about these issues that I truly believe to be the TRUTH and I would just mention how Ron Paul has the benefit of life-experience (age respects age) and how he is a devout Christian and is pro life.
to quote ron paul
Yeah go ahead and make fun buddy. The post was clear. We are winning, I know you find that hard to understand but doesn't mean that it needs to be "dumbed down" for you. Welcome to the revolution. :)
Aku Soku Zan
I agree
That some single-track, one-issue, 9/11 truth-to-the-extreme individuals probably did hurt the short term Ron Paul campaign.
I also agree that when confronting people who you do not know, it is best to leave out the 9/11 deal. It makes no sense to bring it up when seeking support for Ron Paul for president.
That being said, I see a lot of folks bashing truthers in general, and I just wanted to present a moderate view of the situation.
There is wisdom in the middle ground on this topic.
most of it comes from...
...several experiences like the one i listed above.
I mean... it's "self-censorship"... I know not to use a pro-gun slim jim when trying to convert little old ladies at a church... I probably shouldn't mention legalizing drugs either... not that guns and drugs SHOULDNT be legal.. but ya tailor your sales message to your audience.
A lot of us have had a very hard time trying to get this message to people who are selling ron paul based primarily on "911 truth". they have this need for others to ONLY support Ron based on "911 truth".
it's very frustrating.
Hmmm
What exactly did my post "shove in your face"?
Considering Brittney Spears has two children, it's pretty safe to say she's no virgin. I think your analogy fits better directed at yourself not me.
YOU are the one who is bashing someone for simply stating that inquiry is not bad.
Is this "in your face"???
I wouldn't consider myself a 'truther' or a 'head-in-sand-er'.
But I do think that ALL aspects of the Ron Paul following should follow the advise of Dr. Paul.
We should have a humble foreign policy.
There is nothing more foreign to the vast majority of Americans than to think that our very own government has been actively involved in some of the crazy plots and shenanegans and false-flag operations.
Ehad Salem comes to mind during the first WTC bombing.
Same 'insider' type activity with London's 7/7 bombing.
WTC7 was 'pulled'... I don't know what else to say on that subject.
I highly doubt that the towers were 'pulled'... I can believe that temps near 1300 degrees could have been reached inside the towers... at that temp, the steels' lattice structure changes from body-centered to face-centered cubit (and vice versa)... essentially weakening it by a factor of 6.
JFK's killing was an inside job - no doubt. But telling folks that the government killed JFK will only shut folks out. If you give them the info, such as JFK wanted to disband the Federal Reserve, and return to proper Constitutional monies - if you ask folks 'why would the Secret Service pull guards off of the President's rear bumper on that fateful day?' you may raise some eyebrows... one can then offer up more evidence and possibly open some up to the truth.
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Anyway, there's enough "bad" in Washington to pull us all together. THAT is what we all want - deep cleansing of our country.
We have big fish to fry. If the folks that start the fire all-of-a-sudden hate the folks bringing the fish, will anyone get fed?
I stand by my statement
In any truth seeking process - whether it be 9/11, researching a new energy source, investigating financial statements, analyzing ANYTHING - folks who would try to keep people from exhaustively seeking the truth are either fools or have something to hide.
Why else would anyone discourage people from seeking truth?
Rational people agree..
Rational people agree...there is a singular Truth to discernible reality. Am I, too, "a troll"?
"We don't have to start a brand new revolution...All we have to do is restore the original Constitution." -Ron Paul
do you seriously want answers to your questions?
"What exactly is wrong with wanting to know exactly what happened, detailed in a thorough manner, of one of the most terrible actions in the history of the United States?"
There is a time and a place. Nobody would fault me if I really wanted to know what happened to JFK. But if you spend time and effort organizing an outreach at a pro-life event... and actually thought through the best way to reach these specific peoople - probably with pro-life slimjims and a flier comparing Ron's pro life record with all the other candidates... then let's say I show up and just start yelling at people "Who really killed JFK?!?! There's more to the story than you know!!!" You wouldn't feel a little bit insulted that I'm co-opting your movement for my own agenda?
Well
Considering that I have never once been to any event associated with any sort of 9/11 truth movement, I fail to see how your point makes any sense whatsoever to either me or what I posted.
My point was, why would someone just sit there and bash folks who are seeking a final story on what happened on 9/11?
Why would that be outright denounced? It's honestly pretty funny.
BTW, stuff like this is what makes it easy to question the official story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
And yes, I do believe there is a lot that our government needs to tell us as U.S. citizens. Part of the reason we are where we are is that we have allowed the sheep's wool to be pulled over our eyes too much over the course of history. This was meant to be an open source government, but we have quite the opposite.
Here in NYC...
..every time we tried to have any issue-specific outreach....
at a pro gun rally and target the sales-pitch for ron's stance on guns...
...or a natural health / homeopathic medicine conference...
...or a pro life event..
sure enough these people would show up wearing ron paul buttons and 9-11 buttons yelling at these gun owners, home schoolers or whoever that "9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB".
People are reluctant enough to take fliers from strangers to begin with... so maybe, just maybe it we make fliers specifically tailored to their interests they'd consider taking them and hearing about how ron is good for THEIR issue. That is, until these freakin truthers scare them off.
Thanks guys... really helping the effort out there.
Yes
That is pretty lame in terms of trying to gain support for Ron Paul as president.
I would be annoyed in that situation as well.
flag, delete and ban typical
flag, delete and ban
typical troll truther BS
Funny
What a joke response. Look up my posting history. I have been posting here for months on hundreds of topics. I am 100% supportive of Ron Paul, have donated over $1000 even though I cannot really afford it, was a precinct captain in my home town, and secured numerous voters for Ron Paul. You need to chill out.
Mayberry's heart is OK
I used to think Mayberry was some officious, control freak prig.
Now I think she(?) is trying to compensate for this site's lack of a moderator.
I think she believes this forum should be an advertisement for any stranger who comes here wanting to find out about RP. I happen to disagree with her, but can easily respect her point of view.
I think there is a major difference between this site and Ron Paul's official sites. We should be allowed to discuss anything (including fundamental differences of opinion, philosophy or strategy) here. People new to the RP message are directed to the official campaign sites.Most of the people who come here are already solidly behind Ron Paul. So we should be very slow to censor a free exchange of ideas. Very, very slow.
We don't need to "tidy up quick, visitors are coming." We can enjoy the rough and tumble of a family relaxing at home.
Support for Ron Paul is a quest for truth...
ALL truth on a dozen subjects.
Regarding 9/11:
A building the size of WTC-7 would take days to weeks of rigging to make implosion an option. It's an outcome that simply would not have been possible without prior planning. So the impossible scenario that we're expected to believe is that in the midst of utter chaos, they wired the entire building with explosives in an eight-hour period? Sure they did... It'd be impossible to even formulate a plan for how to drop a building that size in eight hours let alone rig it and execute. How dumb do they think we are?
I have a million questions, but the ONE I want a real answer to is;
How did WTC-7 come to be pre-wired for demolition?
They stated their intentions clearly in the "Plan for the New American Century". A "Pearl Harbor-type" event...
Looks like this site
now has its own "thought police", someone to decide what is valid and what is not, and all they can bring to the table is flag,flag, flag.