What do you know about marxism?

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Fantastic! Thank you all for your recent input. Much good material here. I can't wait to actually use it. As soon as i get some more time on my hands i'm going to go on y/a and peel Obama like an onion.

In today's debate, the illusion of opposites has become a myth of gigantic proportions. On one side - supposedly the Left side - we have Leftists, Communists, Socialists, Marxists, Neo Marxists, Leninists, Maoists, Liberals, Progressives, and (in The U.S.) Democrats. On the other side - supposedly the Right side - we have Rightists, Nazis, Neo Nazis, Fascists, Conservatives, Neoconservatives, Reactionaries, and (in the U.S.) Republicans.

Be that as it may, the degree to which there truly are definable qualities to these labels is the same degree to which we can understand that they are similar. For example, if there is any doubt of the similarity between the collectivism of Marx and the collectivism of Hitler, all one has to do is read Das Kapital, The Communist Manifesto, and Mein Kampf. The point is that, when the labels are peeled off and the underlying ideologies are examined, we come inexorably to the conclusion that every one of them is built upon the foundation of collectivism. We are expected to choose sides when, in reality, there is no substantial difference between them. Life under Communism vs. life under Nazism are not healthy choices. No matter which side we choose, we are on the side of collectivism. That is the trick.

What are the elements of collectivism that are common to all of these seemingly opposite forces? Collectivists on the so-called Left and Right agree that:

1. Rights are derived from the state;
2. The group is more important than the individual;
3. Coercion is the preferred method to bring about reform;
4. Laws should be applied differently to different classes;
5. Providing benefits (redistributing wealth) is the proper role of government.

These are the core principles held by collectivists in their quest to remold mankind to their hearts desire. The main disagreement among them is over how those principles should be applied. They do not realize that it's not the application of those principles, but the principles themselves that cause injustice, scarcity, and freedom's demise. History has already shown this truth in the form of despotism under Nazism (the so-called Right) and Communism (the so-called Left). It is sad that intelligent people with knowledge of this history still cling to the myth that they are opposites when it is so clear they are merely different manifestations of the same ideology.

Excerpt from article by Edward G.Griffin:

http://www.freedom-force....

Here is the last word on Marxism. If you think Obama abides by any of these, well there you go. Just ascribing to the UN MAKES ONE A MARXIST.

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (property taxes)

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (income tax)

3) Abolition of all right of inheritance. (they are trying this one!)

4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (tax protesters)

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (federal reserve system)

6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. (buses, trains, subways etc)

7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (environmentalism, buying up property as conservation land, world heritage areas)

8) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (wpa)

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. (UN plan to move us to 'shires' as in Agenda 21)

10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production (public schools and school-to-work programs already in progress)

Study this well and you will see why we have problems. We already live under Marxism..so Obama is NO agent of change. He's an agent of More of the Same.

and to each according to his needs." That's the basic premise of Marxism.

It's the idea that each person is morally entitled to be provided with the means of life, food, shelter, and so, and that each person ought to work to provide each other with these things instead of working for their own self-interest.

And the idea is that government should enforce this.

Marxism.Communism promises to control society in order to equalize it, but in stead:

- Falsely promised an end to the abuses of the previous system (Capitalism)
- Created an elite class of people (government officials)
- Turned the working classes into virtual slaves
- Allowed the elite to be greedy and abuse their power
- Ignored its Internal Conflict
- Deliberately killed millions of people for believing in religious, political or economic freedom

Che Guevara was a totalitarian murderer

Marxist overtones coming from a Marxist. I hope that 'splains things for you.

how he fighting with God.
first marxsistes have been all masons.
museum at red square moscow keep names first marxsists and masonic awards from 1818.
but now masons and marxists is nothing.I think Obama not marxsist,he is in something new.

Hillary and Obama are bascially Leftist. The Neo-Cons are bascially Fabian Socialists with a twist of Trotsky thrown in for good measure, both sides are related, in one way or another, to Marxists.

Speaking of Marxists, did you know that many of the Generals, and supporters of Lincoln were Marxist who fled the failed Revolt of 1848. Actually, nine of those Marxist Revolutionaries were charged with treason and were sentenced to hang, but somehow they ended up in the United States or Canada and 3 or 4 of them rapidly became high-ranking members in the Union Army even though they had no prior military experience to speak of, but nevertheless, the history is there. So, the Marxist have been around for a long, long time and have had their grubby hands in our politics for decades, upon decades.

I am in melbourne, australia at the moment. I see many fliers posted downtown encouraging people to attend a meeting on "modern marxism" and some show a picture of Obama on them.

I will try to swipe one and upload it next time I see one.

"Progressive" is a nice-sounding word, but you have to understand what type of "progress" is intended. In American politics, it is synonymous with progress toward a collectivist, socialist, and/or Communist society.

You hear it come out at times... like when Hillary says things like wanting "a we're all in it together society." That is the very definition of communism.

I can prove this.

When you start being a "group" you can be managed,

No more freedom

Sorry, haven't been paying attention to Obama, or his alter ego Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

Okay good. I was recently accused of not knowing what marxism was becasue i critisized Obama. It is true though that i am not expert on the subject. It would help my smear campaign to knor more and be able to draw direct correlation from Obama doctrine to Marx doctrine. If anybody can help that would be great.

Yes it sickens me, check out my blog on Obama.

http://blog.myspace.com/i...

We have been building it here since the "progressive" era in the early 1900's.

LOL.....maybe he's a bit more transparent than the others??

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