If the Supreme Court declared the Federal Reserve to be unconstitutional, would that wipe out the national debt?

It says "no state shall", it doesn't say anything about the power of the federal government.

The point was that back in the pre-Revolution days each state printed its own currency, which had very bad effects.

Why would that come into play if we forfieted debt? We would then be a credit risk to some countries.. and others would be pissed.

If our country was invaded and another government take over, they would be responsible for the old government's debts.. that is just silly. You start over. Did we, after the revolution, pay England for outstanding debt? please...lol

That sounds um, well not fun. But then again it's change right? ;)

against our will. Here are two interesting tid bits.

IN 1935 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT CONGRESS CANNOT CONSTITUTIONALLY DELEGATE ITS POWER TO ANOTHER GROUP. (Reference 22, P. 168)

Rothschild, a London Banker, wrote a letter saying "It (Central Bank ) gives the National Bank almost complete control of national finance. The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending, will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests."

If that is true, that sounds like "intent".

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illegal,even within the parameters of it being potentially unconstitional.
This is a long excerpt-but too good to not post-
or go right to the site www.fdrs.org
ps-i have nothing to do with this site personally;it is a service but has some great info.

Money, Banking & the Federal Reserve Masters of the Universe The Capitalist Conspiracy
BANKING SECRETS THAT BANKS DON'T WANT PUBLISHED

Banks bombard consumers with over 6 billion mail solicitations each year. Notwithstanding newspaper, radio, television, magazine, sporting event advertising and numerous other forms of marketing, the average working class, credit worthy, American is exposed to over 75 loan solicitations per year.

These banking ads represent, in one way or another, that the bank will lend you money in exchange for repayment, plus interest. This absurd idea is completely contrary to what, in reality, transpires and what is actually intended. In actual fact, banks do not lend you any of their own, or their depositors money.

False advertising is an act of deliberately misleading a potential client about a product, service or a company by misrepresenting information or data in advertising or other promotional materials. False advertising is a type of fraud and is often, a crime.

To substantiate this premise, we will begin by examining the funding process of credit cards and loans. When you sign and remit a loan or credit card application, (say you are approved for $10,000.00) the commercial bank stamps the back of the application, as if it were a check, with the words: "Pay $10,000.00 to the order of..." which alters your application, transforming it into a promissory note.

Altering a signed document, after the fact with the intention of changing the document's value, constitutes forgery and fraud. Forgery is the process of making or adapting objects or documents with the intent to deceive. Fraud is any crime or civil wrong perpetuated for personal gain that utilizes the practice of deception as its principal method.

In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another, to damage them - usually, to obtain property or services without compensation. This practice may also be referred to as "theft by deception," "larceny by trick," "larceny by fraud and deception" or something similar.

Having altered the original document, the (now) promissory note is deposited at the local Federal Reserve Bank as new money. "Generally Accepted Accounting Principals" (the publication governing corporate accounting practices) states: "Anything accepted by the bank as a deposit is considered as cash." This new money is now a three to ten percent fraction of what the commercial bank may now create and do with as they please.

So, $100,000.00 to $330,000.00.00, minus the original $10,000.00 is now added to the commercial bank's coffers. With this scheme they are taking your asset, depositing it, multiplying it and exchanging it for an alleged loan back to you. This may constitute deliberate theft by deception. In reality, of course, no loan exists.

At this point in the process, they have now transferred and deposited your note (asset) to the Federal Reserve Bank. This note will permanently reside and be concealed there. Since they've pilfered your promissory note, they owe it back to you. It is you, therefore, who is actually the creditor. This deceptive acquisition and concealment of such a potentially valuable asset amounts to fraudulent conveyance.

In legal jargon, the term "fraudulent conveyance" refers to the illegal transfer of property to another party in order to defer, hinder or defraud creditors. In order to be found guilty of fraudulent conveyance, it must be proven that the intention of transferring the property was to put it out of reach of a known creditor - in this case, you.

Once they have perpetrated this fraudulent conveyance, the creditor then establishes a demand deposit transaction account (checking account) in your name. $10,000.00 of this newly created/acquired funds is then deposited into this account. A debit card, or in this case, a credit card or paper check is then issued against these funds. Remember - it's all just bookkeeping entries, because this money is backed by nothing.

Money laundering is the practice of engaging in financial transactions in order to conceal the identity, source and/or destination of money. Previously, the term "money laundering" was applied only to financial transactions related to otherwise criminal activity.

Today, its definition is often expanded by government regulators (such as the United States Office of the Comptroller of the Currency) to encompass any financial transaction which generate an asset or a value as the result of an illegal act, which may involve actions such as tax evasion or false accounting.

As a result, the illegal activity of money laundering is now recognized as routinely practiced by individuals, small or large businesses, corrupt officials, and members of organized crime (such as drug dealers, criminal organizations and possibly, the banking cartel).

Since receipt of your first "statement" from each of your creditors, they have perpetuated the notion of your indebtedness to them. These assertions did not disclose a remaining balance owed to you, as would your checking account. Mail fraud refers to any scheme which attempts to unlawfully obtain money or valuables in which the postal system is used at any point in the commission of a criminal offence.

When they claim you owe a delinquent payment, you are typically contacted via telephone, by their representative, requesting a payment. In some cases this constitutes wire fraud, which is the Federal crime of utilizing interstate wire communications to facilitate a fraudulent scheme.

Throughout the process of receiving monthly payment demands, you may have been threatened with late fees, increased interest rates, derogatory information being applied to your credit reports, telephone harassment and the threat of being "wrongfully" sued.

Extortion is a criminal offense which occurs when a person obtains money, behavior, or other goods and/or services from another by wrongfully threatening or inflicting harm to this person, their reputation, or property. Refraining from doing harm to someone in exchange for cooperation or compensation is extortion, sometimes euphemistically referred to as "protection". This is a common practice of organized crime groups.

Blackmail is one kind of extortion - specifically, extortion by threatening to impugn another's reputation (in this case) by publishing derogatory information about them, true or false, on credit reports. Even if it is not criminal to disseminate the information, demanding money or other consideration under threat of injury constitutes blackmail.

New money was brought into existence by the deposit of your agreement/promissory note. If you were to pay-off the alleged loan, you would never receive your original deposit/asset back (the value of the promissory note). In essence, you have now paid the loan twice. Simultaneously, the banks are able to indefinitely hold and multiply the value of your note (by a factor of 10 to 33) and exponentially generate additional profits.

For an agreement or a contract to be valid, there must be valuable consideration given by all parties. Valuable consideration infers a negotiated exchange and legally reciprocal obligation. If no consideration is present, the contract is generally void and unenforceable.

The bank never explained to you what you have now learned. They did not divulge that they were not loaning anything. You were not informed that you were exchanging a promissory note (which has a real cash value) that was appropriated to fund the implicit loan.

You were led to assume that they were loaning you their own, or other people's money, which we have established as false. They blatantly concealed this fact. If you were misinformed, according to contract law, the agreement is null and void due to "non-disclosure."

Contract law states that when an agreement is made between two parties, each must be given full disclosure of what is transpiring. An agreement is not valid if either party conceals pertinent information.

We hope that this painstakingly, well researched material has been educational.

Would there then be grounds for restitution?

It is my understanding that RP has called for an audit of the gold reserves and they refused. Makes you wonder why. If there is nothing to hide, there is nothing to fear!

America and would make one hell of a novel. John Grisham where are you when we need you?

Well wouldn't we then be just paying ourselves? If the government had been printing its own money since the begining of the FED, then we wouldn't owe the Fed anything and if it is declared unconstitution, wouldn't that eliminate any unlawful obligation?

Financial Advisers?