'Connie Talk' blocks the truth...
Submitted by Jane Aitken on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 02:19
It's a horrid website by anyone standard's but it still contains the smear article against the Ron Paul Racing advertising effort even though one of the principals of the project posted on her board.
Basically Connie Talk did a story claiming that RPR was a scam because they don't understand how external advertising is done when it is outside the campaign. Can this person be totally ignorant about the blimp, the limo, the plane banners, etc.
Who knows. I've seen a lot of ignorance lately.
Maybe someone should go there and set her straight.
http://www.connietalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=260
Also here is a recent presser from the racing fans where they announce the drivers who are willing to work with them:
Radio Interveiw
aldell1 Find out the facts when Al the News Guy interveiwed the owner Armondo Fitz on Ron Paul Revolution Radio. Just click on the link:
http://mp3.rprradio.com/16k/200802/20080215_Fri_Malatesta2.mp3
Check out the First Look with Al the News Guy
http://www.rprradio.com/
M-F 7-8AM CST
aldell1
Information about Ron Paul Racing
I am not in any way affiliated with Connie Talk or Ron Paul Racing.
Connie Talk's article can be viewed here:
http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_racing_fraud_021308.html
Ron Paul Racing can be viewed here
http://www.ronpaulracing.com/index.php
According to ronpaulracing.com, Ron Paul Racing is funded by Liberty Racing PAC. The Committee ID number for Liberty Racing PAC is C00445098.
The information displayed on the FEC website can be viewed here.
http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00445098
On the bottom of the page are the PDF documents showing the statement of organization.
On this webpage, you can view any monies reported to the FEC that have been received by Liberty Racing PAC. http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+C00445098
I hope this information will be helpful in the discussion.
Connie talk has barred Ron Paul Racing from her site
We would love to comment on her blog, but were blocked from her site. We never did that to anyone no matter how foul they were. Maybe she dosent care for the truth?
Rc
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
Daytona 500???
Kenny Wallace?
Did I miss him in the lineup?
He finished last in the
He finished last in the race. I'm not sure if his car got knocked out or not cuz I was doing a hundred things at once while the race was on - plus I'm a fan of #17 and was paying more attention to that end of the pack.
(ok.. beat me for that, I deserve it)
I did capture the whole race to my computer, so I'll be going back through it to see if I can figure out what happened
CF
Kenny Wallace is running (in
Kenny Wallace is running (in the back of the pack right now) but once the Ron Paul sponsorship goes into effect, you will not see it in Sprint Cup anyway. The sponsorship is for the Nationwide (formerly Busch) series.
Guess so
Hes in it right now. Biggest new story yesterday!
Rc
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
Since it is apparant that people dont read this whole thread.
It is obvious that many people dont bother to read this whole thread, and choose to make their determination about the validity of RonPaulRacing from the first couple posts.. I'll post this 'at the top' for all to see (For as long as it remains at the top, that is)
I was asked, by Connie T herself, to provide updates to the threads about RonPaulRacing if there was any new information available to demonstrate that they are not a fraudulent site.
I DID update the threads. I not only updated the original thread, but I have posted the new information in every thread on the DailyPaul where the issue of the PAC and RPR's validity still exists.
I dont see how anyone could have missed it. I've been posting the new information for a couple days now. All I can do is keep posting this SAME information wherever the topic resurrects itself..
RonPaulRacing has an FEC PAC number.
For a link to the information, you can do this:
Go to www.FEC.gov
In the field provided, type 'Liberty Racing' and then click 'Get Listing'
The page that comes up is a generalized data form, so you'll have to click on the ID number (near the top left of the page) under 'Com. ID'
The ID is C00445098
By clicking on that number a new page will open and show anyone interested the FEC PAC information on record.
If you click the 'PDF' link near the bottom of the screen you can see a copy of the actual FEC FORM 1 of the Federal Election Commission.
Like I said before, it took many people some effort to investigate the potential problems with RPR - so it only follows that you may have to do a little more than 'click a link' to get the latest information.
The quickest route to the information would be to go here:
http://query.nictusa.com/...
But since the domain name that the FEC uses for their online reporting doesn't say 'FEC' in it, the quickest way to eliminate that concern is to start at the FEC site itself, so you know that it's not some fake page that has been put up.
Additionally, the advertising firm that is in control of the NASCAR vehicle in question has been contacted by other users here, and have had an interview on RPRRadio.com to validate the promotion as REAL.
RPR had serious mismanagement problems when they first announced this opportunity. The people 'in charge' at that time were not experienced in how these things work, and they made some poor choices about a lot of things.
But those problems were recognized by RPR, and they have since replaced their management team with people who do know how these promotions work.
CF
Yes, the PAC is up, but...
Okay, thank you, I have found their statement of organization on the FEC's website. That was not there prior to my article, FYI. My questions now are:
1) Why does it list all receipts, transactions, and disclosures as $0, if they've claimed to raise over $19k?
2) Why are they listed as Non-Party/Non-Qualified, with the box checked that they support more than one Federal candidate? There is no mention on the forms of where the funds are being allocated to.
I am a Ron Paul delegate. My fellow website writers and I are Ron Paul supporters, and we bust our asses spreading legitimate, verifiable news about Paul and his campaign to counteract some of the media blackout. For Ron Paul Racing to attack our site because we questioned their legitimacy, instead of providing hard proof/documentation in the first place, was very questionable.
As stated, I will update the original article with any factual answers I can get here. The reason I am not communicating with the organizers of this project directly via my forum or e-mail is because they have responded with a spam attack vs. proof. Posting their URL's to their own site, which holds no proof, and their Linked In marketing profiles, is not any type of constructive answer. Therefore, I'm relying on my own research and caring, educated fellow Ron Paul supporters to attempt to get to the truth.
If that is blocking the truth, then something is quite skewed in their world.
Thanks, and Go Ron Paul, Go!
FYI
The following information has been on the Home page since we formed the PAC (A New Organization: Liberty Racing Political Action Committee is a new non-profit organization created to help comply with the maze of anti-grassroots McCain-Feingold campaign finance laws. Liberty Racing PAC is dedicated to supporting Pro-Liberty candidates and organizations. And Ron Paul Racing is Liberty Racing PAC's first official project!)...READ AGAIN () Now do you understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..... ............................................................ The FEC will not show any donations until the FEC reports are filed and updated, There is a time frame for this to be done. and we a following what we need to do as PER, FEC filing laws.......It is not updated everyday.... If you have any concern or ? that is why ron paul racing has its own blog. Please ask your concerns there. It is hard to check all of the different post about RPR, as many past post were not addressed as RPR......We have wasted many hours defending our position on the forums..This will be my last post to defend RPR on this forum..
1) Why does it list all
1) Why does it list all receipts, transactions, and disclosures as $0, if they've claimed to raise over $19k?
- Because PACs only report on revenues once per quarter. The FEC doesn't have a daily tally of how much they make.
2) Why are they listed as Non-Party/Non-Qualified, with the box checked that they support more than one Federal candidate? There is no mention on the forms of where the funds are being allocated to.
- They don't have to report where the funds are being allocated, and I'm not sure how they would. Maybe that's something a PAC pro can assist with if it's that important?
Aside from that, my GUESS (no facts to back it up, just an assumption) is that they are listed as non-party just in case RP decides to go third party (doubtful, but if he did then it would be a nag in the PAC for Liberty Racing) or, they might be setting up to use their systems to help with other Revolution candidates that pop up in the future.
My answers to question 2 are mere speculation, but I know the answer to question 1 is correct.
:)
CF
Yes it is retracted
I would still be curious to know the answers to my questions above, but the article has been updated:
http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_racing_fraud_021308.html
And we will publish an official retraction tomorrow.
Thanks, all!
My goodness, Connie ... I
My goodness, Connie ... I think this issue has been put to rest. I would hope that you add the appropriate retraction and the correct information on your page now, so we can all move on.
Good article..
it was an excellent editorial
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
First off i am a NASCAR fan
First off i am a NASCAR fan and have an entire room with nothing but nascar which include an original helmet worn by the late Dale Earnhardt and the windshield of Geoff Gordon among many other things.
If this is a legal PAC then there should be no reason to not provide the proper document numbers that people are requesting so that they may confirm that it is a legal PAC or business which by the way is required by federal LAW if you are really a PAC.
So why don't you just provide the info they are asking for.
ronpaulwarroom.com is funded by the GCN radio network a sydicated radio network.
If you can not provide this info you will NOT receive support for the project and i will make everyone aware that you and/or your website could be a possible scam as this is the right of anyone that expresses thier opinion.
I would suggest you obtain legal advice before you make threats of slader which by the way your claim should be libel not slander which also is setting up red flags as to the merit your so called legal PAC.
I am going to conclude at this point considering the information i have read that this PAC is a scam untill they provide the proper document information that is being requested and is required to be presented when requested by anyone.
I am also urging everyone that sent money to this so called PAC to contact the attorney general in your state and have this investigated as to the validity of this PAC and if it is found to not be a legal PAC to file formal charges against it's owner(s) for fraud and theft and racketeering.
You people can argue untill the end of time but untill this information is provided i will continue to express my opinion of you so called PAC.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
To the good Dr. , the answer your looking for
Ill make this easy for you to follow, this is a cut and paste from a response below. I thought it so simple to do Id better leave it alone.
Go to www.FEC.gov (thats a gov. website)
In the field provided, type 'Liberty Racing' and then click 'Get Listing'
The page that comes up is a generalized data form, so you'll have to click on the ID number (near the top left of the page) under 'Com. ID'
The ID is C00445098
By clicking on that number a new page will open and show anyone interested the FEC PAC information on record.
Im sorry I cant help you anymore then that.
Rc
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
Dr. Parent, If you had
Dr. Parent,
If you had taken the time to read almost any thread on this forum - including the thread you are reading right now - regarding RonPaulRacing you would easily have discovered that the PAC information was provided and verified a couple days ago.
CF
Connie's on our side....
I've found Connie Talk several times googling RP, and the result have always, to the best of my memory, been positive. We need more of these sites, so thanks Connie!
--------
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
And more Ron Paul positive news
I've just googled ron paul click news and this site came up which is nice. There's other new stuff on there too via U.K.
http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=49274
http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=uk&q=ron+paul
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K
'I always thank of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates who were at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.
Seems to me that Connie is an RP supporter...
She has some articles with a positive angle on Ron Paul:
Congressman Ron Paul Responds To Media Ignorance With A Smile
John McCain Secures GOP Nomination In Mass Media Fantasy Land
hahahaha Connie talk
I wouldn't worry too much. I think the average article has less than five ratings.
http://ronpaulnews.net/
I saw that site myself. All
I saw that site myself. All it did was claim that the money being donated to the RonPaulRacing site was not going to Ron Paul's campaign.
I think that's kind of obvious. Her report held no weight with me.
However I DO have other issues that deserve to be addressed - as well as many others here, and on other Ron Paul forums, that are not concerns without merit.
In the ronpaulwarroom the following was posted:
"Ron Paul Racing is a licensed Federal PAC with Tax ID numbers, Bank account and federal Election committee approved filings. It is a Federal Offense to falsely denigrate this body. Let it be known, we will follow up and prosecute any person who knowingly slanders our mission without documented information substantiating these claims. We will from this point forward, ask federal authorities to investigate clearly false and slanderous statements made in any public forum. "
I have asked for the Federal PAC ID number of Liberty Racing PAC to be provided to the members of this forum.
Thus far, the only PAC ID number provided was for Liberty PAC, which is not the correct one.
Since the above information threatens to 'follow up and prosecute any person who knowingly slanders our mission without documented information substantiating these claims', I think we all have a right to see documented information TO substantiate those claims.
Thus far, both here and on the ronpaulwarroom, those in charge of the RonPaulRacing site and those officially promoting it have been demonstrated to be
A.) creating duplicate accounts on forums that are being used to promote this sponsorship,
B.) using those duplicate accounts to sway public opinion and claim legitimacy,
C.) posting information that leads readers to believe that damages done by anyone who points out these practices have ruined the chance for this sponsorship to be obtained,
D.) posting information to tell readers the sponsorship idea has been abandoned and that even their own webmaster refuses to affiliate with them any longer, only to return days later with the same requests for funding,
E.) posting information that discusses giving refunds to contributors, even though no avenue for funds to be donated was available on their site
F.) changing the official story about the overall aspects of this sponsorship on a near daily basis
G.) claiming support from a variety of big named NASCAR stars, but providing no viable evidence that they are true (Big Daddy Don G was all over their site until someone said they were trying to reach him to verify that claim - then his name vanished from the site)
As I have been 'warned' that I will be prosecuted unless I provide documentation to back up my concerns, here are my sources of information:
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=4206
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=6186
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=6178
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=17873
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RonPaulGraphics/message/1630
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/127/boards/thread/4152324
Too many anomolies for anyone to just chalk up to being a 'part time job'.
Provide the required information, that is all we ask.
Previous requests for information in regards to some type of proof that this endeavor is legitimate have been met with finger pointing, crude remarks, continual references to unsubstanciated material and unverifiable documentation.
Please do not be suprised if such activity continues on this thread.
There must be SOMETHING that can be provided to us?
And I'll repeat myself - sending us to the RonPaulRacing site, or linking to a press release, is not showing proof that this is legitimate.
What will? A PAC ID number or those federal licenses that have been claimed to exist. At this point, they need to be verified.
I got email
...from one of the organizers. So I know it's for real.
And, we recently had someone on THIS site who was spamming comments by the scores faster than they could be deleted for some cause he was promoting.
THIS PART IS NOT FROM ME but from Kathleen Hanover, on of the organizers who answers your questions:
"When my Meetup group (Ron Paul Meetup #102, Dayton Ohio) pooled money to buy billboards, they paid the billboard company. They didn't send money to the campaign. So was that a scam?
When Trevor Lyman's group raised money to float a blimp, they didn't send money to the campaign. They paid the airship company. So was that a scam?
When individual Ron Paul supporters pay money to run ads in their local papers, is that a scam, because they pay for the ad space? None of that money goes to the campaign.
Ron Paul Racing is an ADVERTISING project that will allow us to get Ron Paul's name and message in front of 75 MILLION NASCAR FANS, a demographic that's already ripe for a real conservative candidate...if they only knew he existed!
That's for 40 weeks of 4+ hours of TV exposure per week. There IS NO better targeted advertising opportunity than this. And it gives us the opportunity to completely bypass the "mainstream" media's news departments.
Disagree with our ideas if you like, but please don't call it a scam just because you're not a race fan and don't understand NASCAR and the NASCAR fan base.
As for Liberty Racing PAC, it's a brand new organization. It was formed solely to comply with the hideous campaign finance laws given to us by John McCain & friends. You won't find a record of it anywhere because it didn't exist before last week. (All of this is explained in various places at www.ronpaulracing.com if you care to look.)
As for the IP addresses, I honestly don't know what to make of that. I don't know who spammed on our behalf. It was dumb, and I don't condone it, but one overzealous fan does not make this entire effort illegitimate. (For all I know, it was a jealous Huckabee supporter!)
And we also say on the site, we do NOT want to cannibalize contributions to the Congressional or Presidential campaigns. People should ALWAYS donate the maximum there first. Only then should they support grassroots efforts like Ron Paul Racing."
The person gave her full name, address and phone number.
However, the post was blocked from your sight and there is no contact email so you can't email this 'Connie' person.
Ya see.. that is where you
Ya see.. that is where you fail in your argument.
I have already pointed out that I SUPPORT this idea.
I am a NASCAR fan (and have all the memorobilia to prove it).
I do NOT disagree with your idea.
I am NOT calling it a potential scam because of any of those reasons.
I am calling it a potential scam because of all the evidence people have gathered that supports the idea that it might just be a scam.
Turning this around to make me out to be the 'bad guy' by claiming the only reason I am against you is because I dont like NASCAR is the typical response expected from an advertising company trying to save it's own reputation.
This problem is YOURS, not mine. Only YOU have the ability to correct it.
Giving me an incorrect PAC ID number, as if I wasn't going to look it up to verify it, is as lame a way to provide proof of your idea being real as sending people to YOUR website to read what YOU wrote - and then saying that that should be enough proof for anyone.
I can go build a site that says I'm God and I own the world.. if I sent you there would you eagerly turn over all of your belongings to me? Doubt it.
Providing verifiable information - like the aforementioned PAC ID number - should not be a difficult task if you actually have one. That number can be verified through federal agencies and all of this craziness can end.
Until that time - those who would rather be wrong and say something than be right and say nothing aren't going away.
UM wait..
The fact that you cannot read my post has you having no credibility.
You are now claiming I'm the advertiser???
I did not make any argument so I don't know what you are talking about. I did not say you did not like NASCAR. Where did you see me claiming the only reason you are against it is because you dont like NASCAR??? The part in QUOTATIONS is from the ORGANIZERS TO CONNIE, not me. I never said a word about YOU.
The people on the War Room got their erroneous info from the stupid broad at the Connie site...there is NO evidence that this is a scam. The two drivers have already spoken.
She has no idea that other than moneybombs, this is just like any other chipin, of which there are scores, for advertising NOT connected to the campaign. They legally CANNOT give money to the campaign.
She will be held liable for any damages she does to their reputations and for time lost. They have spent many hours on this and it's crappy to have stupid supporters try to derail the project.
This part of what YOU wrote is whacked:
Turning this around to make me out to be the 'bad guy' by claiming the only reason I am against you is because I dont like NASCAR is the typical response expected from an advertising company trying to save it's own reputation.
This problem is YOURS, not mine. Only YOU have the ability to correct it.
This still stinks
The other thread about this topic disappeared mysteriously, then "Jane Aitken" posted a new pro-RP Racing thread minutes later. Jane claims here that she got an email from the RP Racing people, but in the other thread she acts like she's involved directly.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
I agree.
Something is VERY rotten when someone has spent hundreds of hours on a project then some dipshit on a pink website claims it's a scam with NO PROOF whatsoever.
I simply know what these people are going through, being eaten by their own, so to speak, and I sympathize. I have been through similar battles.
The person on that Connie site claims to be a delegate (oh my) but don't forget, if not for me on 2/24/07 there would BE no 'campaign'.
PS - I am NOT claiming to be involved directly!!!!!!!!!
ColdFusion cannot read well, that's all. I went back and bolded the beginning of the part from the organizers. Those were NOT my words to him where he rakes me out for being an advertiser trying to 'save myself'. Geesh. You people can put more twists into a story than a pretzel.
I see that you are not the
I see that you are not the advertiser. My post was directed AT the advertisor. It was late last night when I posted that response to your post, and thought I was conversing with another racing site official.
They have demonstrated that they use mutiple accounts to try to get this issue covered up, buried or - yet again - flagged out of existance.
Last night I posted plenty of proof that the racing site could be a scam.
I posted links to reference where that proof came from.
I provided information that was too serious to ignore.
What happened? When I awoke I discovered that the thread in question had been flagged into deletion.
If they have nothing to hide, why such effort to erase any evidence to the contrary?
There were even people bumping my post last night to make sure everyone had a chance to read it - because it had some dead-on information about impropriety in the ronpaulracing site's interaction with all of us here, and on other forums. Simple questions with simple solutions were presented to the RonPaulRacing officials - and people wanted to know those answers.
Now, of course, it is gone.
All that has been requested of the racing site is for them to back up their claims. They provide a PAC ID number that we can verify through federal agencies, and MANY of us will start donating.
For whatever reason, those requests have been met with only an incorrect ID number (along with the follow-up posts saying 'thanks for that, now we know it's real) - I guess expecting noone to actually look up the number and discover it was a fraudulent claim.
When the ID was checked, and found to not belong to the racing site, all of the posts regarding that issue were systematically flagged off of the DP site so noone could see them.
Currently their trend is to focus on the ConnieTalk issue, and try to make it look like that is the only thing standing between their proposals and getting them funded. When, in reality, the ConnieTalk report has already been refuted - even by myself - as irrelevant and moot.
Far too many other things have come up to ignore - and no matter how great this racing idea is, no matter how much any of us support the idea, no matter how 'positive' this would be for the campaign - until these questions get answered, RonPaulRacing isn't going anywhere.
Tommorrow is their last day, according to the site, for them to be able to accept donations. They've had numerous opportunities to clear the air about these issues - and have failed to do so.
They have been told what they need to do to convince potential supporters that they are not a scam - and they have refused to do it.
If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding?
It is obvious that I'm not the only person on the planet who thinks the evidence points to this being a scam - otherwise they would probably have raised their requested $100,000.00 by now.
Until full disclosure is made - I think they can hang up the idea of promoting on a race car. It is no one's fault but their own. If someone brought up concerns about one of my sites, or one of my own ventures, that could lead people to believe I was some type of 'scam' operation - you can bet that I would do everything in my power to prove otherwise.
I'm sure we all would.
Unfortunately, when asked for something as simple as proof that they actually have what they claim to have - the answer we get is "Just go read our site and you'll find the proof". The site holds no proof.
From ConnieTalk
Hi fellow Ron Paul supporters!
I've updated my article with your conclusions, Coldfusion, including all of the various threads this Jane has started to promote Ron Paul Racing (and spread slander about me, of course).
http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_racing_fraud_021308.html
Hopefully now a lot of this will be all in one place instead of spread out over the internet on Ron Paul supporter sites, where they are unaware of the discrepancies.
I never would have published an article on Ron Paul Racing had I not come across all of the spamming, duplicate accounts, misrepresentations, and overall bad vibe of their "fundraising" effort. They are still accepting donations, by the way, despite the cutoff date of Feb. 15th that was previously stated.
We have also been threatened with legal action, but that doesn't deter us when all we're looking for is the truth.
Go Ron Paul and bless you all for your hard work!
(If anyone has any further info on this, please contact me)
Connie, Perhaps you missed
Connie,
Perhaps you missed the verification that has come to light about the RonPaulRacing site.
I was one of many who had serious doubts to their validity, and made the proposal that if RPR would provide a PAC (FEC) number, that the mystery surrounding their site could be solved.
The information took a day to come to light, but when it did, their (RPR) FEC information was verified. They applied for it on the 11th and it appears that the online verification capablilities of the information took a couple days to get updated by the FEC.
Why RPR didn't just say "We have only recently applied for our PAC and the information is not yet available online" I dont know, but at this time that is a moot point because their information has been available since the 14th.
Even though that information was made available, some people still had doubts as to their validity because of all of the other information that came to light to suggest they were not legitimate.
One user here on the RP forums contacted the actual advertising company who works with the Wallace car and that company provided verification that the sponsorship deal was real.
That same day, an announcement was made on RPRRadio, when the advertising company for the Wallace car called into the station and had an interview to verify the sponsorship deal.
The RonPaulRacing FEC number can be validated at the FEC website by searching there for 'Liberty Racing'.
The PAC information, FEC license number and even the original application can be viewed there.
I agree that the details surrounding the RPR site's validity were pointing many of us toward the conclusion that the site was less than legitimate. It seems that a lack of experience and knowledge about how to set up fundraising/promotional sites for campaigns caused much of the turmoil.
The use of multiple accounts to promote the cause, as well as other 'less than appealing' tactics to spread the word was a bad move by whoever did it - but new management at the RPR site, with a much better grasp on how these things work, has hopefully ended the confusion.
I personally have donated at the RonPaulRacing for this NASCAR sponsorship. I'm convinced they are legitimate.
Your site basically made the claim that they were not legitimate because they were not giving the money to the Ron Paul campaign directly. I assume that you came to this conclusion early in their existance, before they had actual information on the site that specifically stated where the money was going.
Everyone who visits that site can now easily understand that the money is going toward the sponsorship of the race car, not to the Ron Paul campaign itself.
It is another grassroots effort - such as the blimp - that uses donated funds to advertise for Ron Paul's campaign.
I personally have posted that my own concerns are completely removed from the RPR issue. I have no concerns about it any more.
As much information that has been put on this site about the RPR issue - from the initial questions about thier validity, through the 'evidence' used to show why people had concerns, to the final vindication of thier site, it is hard to imagine anyone not having seen it all.
If you have not seen the 'end of the trail', where the RPR site was demonstrated to be valid, and all you have seen up to this point is the information that was available when there were still doubts - you have not done your homework, because it's been posted numerous times in numerous threads.
I put just as much, if not more effort into making sure people understood my own position about the RPR site's legitimacy as I did to point out my concerns when there was cause to believe they were not legitimate.
In short (too late for that now, but oh well), the Ron Paul Racing site has demonstrated that they are not a scam. All the licenses, and as much verfication through the agencies involved in the NASCAR deal that RPR could have provided to us has been provided.
CF
And the end of the trail is where?
I published what concerned RP supporters were sending me; I also received numerous reports of the same IP addresses creating multiple accounts and agreeing with themselves in forums in an attempt to get donations - from the webmasters.
I looked them up as a PAC and found nothing.
If you - or Jane - has a link to legit info, just provide it. Three days ago you were singing a different tune...if something new has surfaced since your last post, it would have been helpful for you to update the thread, then, no?
We've done a lot of "homework" on this - much of it unpublished for the sake of the organizers' right to privacy. When we corresponded with their marketing director to provide PAC status and got a nonanswer, and then their people proceeded to join our forum to spam it incessantly thereafter, we published what we could from what we had and closed the book. If hard evidence had been presented by them up front, none of this would have happened.
If it's available now, I'll update the article.
We are on the web to help make a positive difference in the world and to protect the little guy from being scammed by big media and big corporations; but scams come in many shapes and forms. When we receive multiple reports from webmasters, trusted members and readers, we publish our concerns.
I DID update the thread. I
I DID update the thread. I not only updated the original thread, but I have posted the new information in every thread on the DailyPaul where the issue of the PAC and RPR's validity still exists.
I dont see how anyone could have missed it. I've been posting the new information for a couple days now.
As for a link to the information, you can do this:
Go to www.FEC.gov
In the field provided, type 'Liberty Racing' and then click 'Get Listing'
The page that comes up is a generalized data form, so you'll have to click on the ID number (near the top left of the page) under 'Com. ID'
The ID is C00445098
By clicking on that number a new page will open and show anyone interested the FEC PAC information on record.
If you click the 'PDF' link near the bottom of the screen you can see a copy of the actual FEC FORM 1 of the Federal Election Commission.
Like I said before, it took many people some effort to investigate the potential problems with RPR - so it only follows that you may have to do a little more than 'click a link' to get the latest information.
The quickest route to the information would be to go here:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00445098
But since the domain name that the FEC uses for their online reporting doesn't say 'FEC' in it, the quickest way to eliminate that concern is to start at the FEC site itself, so you know that it's not some fake page that has been put up.
CF
Good work Connie See my
Good work Connie
See my post at the top of the page for they can sue me untill the end of time if they wish for they will get nowhere.
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