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Three Important Rules for Buying Gold

1) BUY WITH CASH, LOCALLY

The US govt has a history of restricting the use of gold and even outright confiscating gold. Roosevelt did this during the Depression and it was illegal to even possess gold.

Then there is eGold. eGold was a way to buy electronic/internet shares of actual gold reserves and to use them as currency with other merchants and individuals who accept eGold.

Last year the US govt forced US holders and brokers of eGold to liquidate to USD. Roosevelt during WW2 also forced holders of gold to liquidate to USD.

If you buy with a credit card or online/mailorder, they KNOW YOU HAVE THE GOLD.

Buy local with cash only.

2) BUY ONLY "GOLD BULLION COINS"

If it's a coin and it isn't "gold bullion coin" then you need to stay away from it. Some but not all of the coins with color laser etching, etc are "gold bullion coin". Be very careful. Make SURE it is "gold bullion coin".

"Bullion" means the coin has a set amount and purity of gold. It's essentially like an ingot of gold but with easily understood denominations which may have added numismatic value.

3) BUY IN SMALL DENOMINATIONS

Imagine if gold goes up to $2,000 an ounce and you have 1 oz coins. You might want to buy something with a value of $100 and you have to somehow make change or barter the $1,900. Messy and complicated.

Buy small denominations like 1/10 and 1/25 oz coins. They are more easily tradeable during a severe currency crisis where you are using gold as your currency.

Enjoy!
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I agree with all but the last point

The smaller denominations, while easier to use in some transactions than whole ounces, are EXTREMELY expensive per ounce due to premiums added for minting. One would be much better off buying whole ounces of gold, followed by one ounce silver eagles, and then old US Silver coins. The silver would be used for every day purchases, and the gold is best saved for big ticket items and long term savings.

*Also, there is no 1/25 ounce or anything less than 1/20 in US gold coins. Some foreign governments mint a 1/20 ounce coin, but foreign coin isn't legal tender here.

www.golddealer.com

buy from them they are the best ask for sal

See # 1 above...

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Need to xray your gold

Be carefull. Some gold comes with so called RFID chips embedded. It's the same thing that makes a $20 bill catch fire in the microweave. If the government know that your buying gold they'll itnercept the mail and "chip" all of your gold so they can track you. You can xray to check it, or burn the chip off in the microwave by putting your gold on a glass tray.

hmm....

hmm....

proof

http://www.metacafe.com/w...

they do the same thing to gold. microwave it to be safe

It is a really bad idea

to put metal in a microwave.

The video link supplied as

The video link supplied as "proof" is of a paper bills in a microwave, not coins. I googled rfid in coins and didn't find much...

look harder

goverment to embed rfid chips in one dollar coins:
http://www.godlikeproduct...

canadian coins bugged
http://www.cbc.ca/technol...

zap the rfid chips. put it on a glass plate so it doesnt spark.

hmm...

hmm...

John Belushi

Sort of like when John Belushi said "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" and someone queried "Germans?" whence Otter declared "forget, he's rolling!"

I suppose it makes very

I suppose it makes very little difference but gold was confiscated in the 30s--much before ww2

True..

... during the Depression..

thanks!

That answers the WHAT,

Now WHO, WHERE, & HOW MUCH....

Who in Tempe Arizona do you recommend?

What price should one pay for the bullion coins? More than $900 per ounce?

HOW MUCH:

HOW MUCH:

My personal goal for buying bullion is for use as currency when the dollar collapses and becomes worthless. Some people buy bullion as a long term investment much like investing in stocks. I'm mostly interested in the former right now.

For use as a backup currency when the dollar collapses I would try to convert enough of your assets into gold to allow you to cover living expenses for 2-3 years (or more if you can do it).

As far as the price of gold bullion coin, the price should be a small percentage of spot gold prices (google the current price of gold).

Silver bullion coins are handy for "making change". 1/25 oz gold bullion coins are about the smallest denomination you can get and they are worth about $40 at the moment. Keep in mind that as the economic crisis deepens the value of gold will go MUCH higher and possibly increasing the need to make change.

WHO/WHERE:

Look up coin dealers in your local phone book. There are also traveling "coin and gold" shows. Also, some pawn shops are reputable dealers.

Good to know

thank you

By the way . . .

Do you know which Congressman introduced the legislation to get the US to mint the gold and silver bullion coins you can now buy in your local coin store?

I'll give you a hint: his initials are RP.

He knew this day was coming.

Good advice but

If you are converting any significant amount of dollars (like your retirement savings) into gold, buying small denominations is not practical and you would lose a bundle on premiums.

Buy gold ounces to store your wealth. Maple leaves have the lowest premium around here, although they are the least attractive bullion coin in my opinion. The US has the most beautiful bullion coins. That is because they use the art work that was on our money back when the soundness of money was respected and instead of some hack politician's face they featured glorious renditions of the Goddess of Liberty!

But, alas, we are not talking about art here, we are talking about trying not to lose your ass in the coming hyper-inflation. So buy gold maple leaves (and an eagle and a buffalo just because you will want to look at them).

I am of the opinion that in a complete currency collapse silver is more likely to be the common currency of commerce. So I suggest putting part of your wealth into junk silver (pre-1965 US dimes, quarters and half dollars). This will give you practical money. You can also buy silver bullion coins as a silver ounce will be a practical amount for use in the market.

Good luck!

Platinum?

ok i have a question...Why would the US mint produce a $100 face value platinum coin...when in reality the platinum is worth over $2,000...im not an investment profeshional...but that sounds like a steal...Wouldnt mind getting my hands on a couple of these.

http://www.monex.com/prod...

Face Value of Platinum/Gold/Silver bullion coins vs. mkt value

The face value of these coins has absolutely ZERO relationship to the market value of these precious metal (PM) coins.
Here's a SCARY THOUGHT for the folks exchanging Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) for US (and other country) modern PM coins.

"UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER OF THE PRESIDENT issued April 5, 1933. All persons are required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933 all GOLD COIN, GOLD BULLION, and GOLD CERTIFICATES now owned by them to a Federal Reserve Bank, branch or agency or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System... Franklin D. Roosevelt"

Prior to this date gold was valued (fixed before floating market exchange rates) at $20.67 per ounce by the govt. This was the amount paid in FRNs to those who dutifully turned in their gold to the govt. AFTER the May 1st deadline had passed, the "Official" price of gold was raised by the govt to $35.00 an ounce. Thereby devaluing the dollar by 69% & cheating the citizens who complied with the Executive Order to turn in their gold.

"Why would the US mint produce a $100 face value platinum coin...when in reality the platinum is worth over $2,000" ?

Could it be the die was cast to repeat history long ago, with the thought of future confiscation of PMs for (il)'legal' tender, AT FACE VALUE via another Executive Order?
eg. $100 FRN for $100 face value 1 oz platinum coin?
$50 FRN for $50 face value 1 oz. gold coin?
$1.00 FRN for $1.00 silver US Eagle coin etc.
It has happened before.
Paraphrasing Mark Twain: History doesn't always repeat, but it sure rhymes.
It is safer and wiser to purchase numismatic old world gold coins (near melt values) for you 'coin collections' rather than Modern gold bullion coins.

Face value is not purchase price

The face value on the coin has no relationship to the exchange value. The gold ounce eagle says $50 on it but costs over $900 to buy.

The interesting thing is that the dollar marking on those bullion coins makes them legal tender for the marked amount. I have not read the case itself, but there seems to be a court ruling that the IRS must treat those coins at face value as well. So if you can get your employer to pay you in US issued gold coins, you only have to pay income tax on the face value.

That's a huge loophole though

I would love for my employer to pay me in gold coins so I could avoid taxes and inflation completely, but it sounds too easy. Oh wait, just found this:
http://www.liberty-watch....

So I guess the IRS will inevitably hall you into court even though it's completely legal. There goes any chances of my employer paying me with American Eagles.

Can you ask the bank to pay

Can you ask the bank to pay you in those when you cash a check...? Like im sure they dont have them laying around, but if you set it up...?

Edit: i guess thats a pretty stupid question...everybody would be filthy rich...

No

The bank can pay you in any legal tender. That means Fed notes. It is illegal to make a contract that requires anyone to pay you in anything other than legal tender.

But you can make a deal with your boss or your employees. Say your salary is $1000 a week. You say to your boss, instead of $1000, pay me a single $50 US gold eagle. That will cost him less than $1000 and you will only have to pay the income tax on $50. You both benefit.

they

add other metals to downgrade it..... kind of like when they used silver in old dimes.

its still .995 pure thats

its still .995 pure thats gotta still be way more than $100 right?

Numismatic collector coins,

Numismatic collector coins, ie USA pre-1933 gold coins are high priced per gold weight. "Bullion" means the coin has a set amount and purity of gold. It's essentially like an ingot of gold but with easily understood denominations which may have some added numismatic value. i.e. China Panda, Singapore Tiger, Canada Maple Leaf, USA Eagle, Austrian Philharmonic, Australia Nuggets or Kangaroos, South Africa Krugerrand, Austrian (1915 re-strike) Ducat & Corona, Hungary (1908 re-strike) Korona.

Downside: Bullion coins would be the 1st to be targeted & confiscated by the government in the event of a Major financial crisis. During the 1933 gold recall 'collector' coins were exempt from the confiscation order.

Adding to idahojoe's earlier comment: Old World actual circulated gold coins are an excellent choice (frequently can be bought @ spot/melt, or less) if purchased via the actual gold content vs. spot metal prices. Krause Standard Catalogue of World Coins or other such guide such books (can be purchased new/used on eBay or see your local library) will give you the actual gold weight (AGW) and fineness (purity) of the coins. Be very careful. Make SURE you are buying the coin by weight rather than date. Prefer AU (almost uncirculated) genuine older gold coins such as: British Empire Sovereigns 1871-1932, 1957-1968 (.2354 oz. AGW); France 20 Francs (also called Napoleons, Angels, Roosters .1867 oz. AGW); Netherlands (Holland) 10 Guilders 1911-1933 (.1947 oz. AGW); Belgium 20 Francs 1866-1882 (.1867 oz. AGW); Italy 20 Lire 1861-1897 (.1867 oz. AGW); Switzerland 20 Francs 1897-1947 (.1867 oz. AGW); Peru Libra 1898-1969 (.2354 oz AGW); Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay gold pesos, Germany gold marks, Russian rubles, South Africa Ponds, Panama Balboa, etc...too many more to list here (see Krause Guide).

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Old World gold coins collected by date could also be considered a 'coin collection' rather than a gold hoard, and were exempt from government confiscation in the past.

I doubt silver will be confiscated, but who knows how severe and desperate the financial meltdown & govt will become in the future. Thus the same reasoning applies to purchasing Franklin Mint, Danbury Mint, Madalic Art Co (MACO), Hamilton Mint, Madison Mint, Washington Mint, limited edition collectable silver medals/ingots and sets from the 1970's for melt (or less), rather than 'only' holding silver Engelhard bullion rounds/bars & USA silver eagles. IMPORTANT: Know the actual weight & fineness. See reference books such as "Guidebook of Franklin Mint Issues" by Chester L. Krause and others. Lastly, they were issued in very limited production quantities, educational, varied themes, & beautiful to examine in their custom album holders & display boxes, with COA's (Certificates of Authenticity). Different than tubes of identical bullion coins/rounds, BOTH should be held, variety is the spice of life.

Groovy...

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Make sure you have plenty of

Make sure you have plenty of lead and give them that instead of the gold!

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If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams

Wouldn't it help in trading

Wouldn't it help in trading if you purchased some silver, like the American Eagles or pre-1965 dimes? That would make exchange easier because the value of silver is less than gold.

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

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Yup...

.. it would.

goldmoney.com

When it hits. Pack up head out. When you get there open a bank account. When you need cash, log on and sell an ounce. Have your deposits made into your new account as necessary.

With Goldmoney.com you have title to the gold and silver

They charge you a purchase fee and and a maintenance/storge fee.

Only..

.. if you are not in the US. The federal govt is shutting down electronic gold brokerages.

where is this information?

link?

here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

*especially citation [20]

"There is currently no IRS

"There is currently no IRS reporting requirement if you own physical gold, silver and other precious metals so long as it is not held in a financial account such as a foreign savings or checking account."

http://moneynews.newsmax....

they will take your social

they will take your social security number when selling 1 oz coins

But not if...

... I trade you a 1 oz gold coin for a cow or 200 gallons of gas during a currency crisis.

Yup

When things go bad, the dollar will be irrelevant. You will not be selling gold for dollars. Gold and silver will BE the currency. Or one of several currencies.

Yup..

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On April 5, 1933, President

On April 5, 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued the following executive order:

"I, as President, do declare that the national emergency still exists; that the continued private hoarding of gold and silver by subjects of the United States poses a grave threat to the peace, equal justice and well-being of the United States; and that appropriate measures must be taken immediately to protect the interests of our people."

"Therefore, pursuant to the above authority, I hereby proclaim that such gold and silver holdings are prohibited, and that all such coin, bullion or other possession of gold and silver be tendered within fourteen (14) days to agents of the Government of the United States for compensation at the official price, in the legal tender of the Government. All safe-deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed pending action in the due course of law."

Subjects? SUBJECTS?!

SUBJECTS OF THE UNITED STATES?!

FDR really was the beginning of the end.

yeah, that shit reeks of socialism

I'm thankful I didn't have to live in those times, imagine how people like Goldwater or Taft felt like with that sort of government in power.

Collectivism is slavery.

FDR was one of the worst

FDR was one of the worst presidents in US history, bar none. He and hoover turned what should have only been a recession into a depression. He blamed Americans for "hoarding" gold after the government and the fed pretty much destroyed their paper savings. People just wanted to protect their wealth with a non-inflationary asset. This is the same guy who instituted SS and refused to warn Pearl Harbor naval ships of an impending Japanese attack so that he could use their deaths as a political device to rally Americans to go to war. Just a complete and utter socialist ass.

tax

but you can avoid tax buying out of state right? anyone know of a credible internet gold coin distributor?

Most states don't charge

Most states don't charge sales tax on gold bullion or gold bullion coins. Others only charge sales tax on purchases of less than $1000.

Have to research it for each state.

LOL

LOL

Buy Philharmonics (Viennas)

Buy Philharmonics (Viennas) They are not reported to the IRS. Why, I don't know, but they aren't. That's what I was told by a very large company when I looked into gold.