How we CAN and WILL win the nomination : The Delegate Process Explained in depth.
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IMPORTANT : YOU PEOPLE NEED TO IGNORE THE POSTS FROM RYAN AND SLAPSHOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE.
If you doubt my post go and research it yourself PLEASE!
PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.
I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.
I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.
I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain has 600 delegates now and IF he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.
What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
And we have lots of delegates.
Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?
This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Info on how to become a delegate here :
http://www3.webng.com/ron...
Dr. Steve Parent
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I thought I read McCain at
I thought I read McCain at this point had over 900 delegates by now. Is that another MSM lie?
Yeah!
Great news!
I know a good friend in MN who became a delegate
I know its really happening, we are taking over the GOP ,we have to hang in there longer,we need to get Ron Paul his congressional seat so that he can comeback as a heavy hitter for the convention
If McCain loses Texas, he
If McCain loses Texas, he can kiss his sorry campaign goodbye. With 138 delegates at stake, Texas is a must win for McCain or the race is going all the way to St. Paul.
I'm a believer!
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People please keep this up
People please keep this up
So on the second vote
what if nobody gets 1,191?
The vote continues untill
The vote continues untill someone wins the majority of the delegate votes.
Pennsylvania has 58
Pennsylvania has 58 Delegates and 31 alternates
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
Those delegates are also
Those delegates are also nonbound so they can vote for whom they wish during the convention.
I Know ,I'm from PA, and
I Know ,I'm from PA, and excited about the numbers,thats all.
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
Are you a delegate?
Are you a delegate?
great post
opened my mind wide open to the possibilitys of this very REAL rEVOLution
Great now please if you
Great now please if you still can BECOME A DELEGATE in your state.
We Can still win this people
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Be Ready for Opportunities
I have never been to a Repbulican convention, but in the Libertarian conventions, there are oportunities to "seat" people who show up and want to be a delegate. Usually the local group says, yes, we want to seat our neighbor to fill our delegate slot.
Once, a delegate was not wanted by their own group, so another region submitted their name. The whole room voted by a show of hands, and they were seated. At no time did anybody quiz them on how they would vote, although, in some cases the person was known to everyone and in some cases they were new.
As contentious as this race has been, there may be lots of interest, but on the other hand, people who wanted to go in support of drop-outs, may not show up.
It really isn't that complicated, but you have to show up. I don't know how it works for R's, but my guess is that it's pretty similar. These organizations want to include as many people as possible: size does matter.
Granted, Libertarians are pretty accepting, and have a pretty small party. But, somehow I suspect it's the same with the R's; that some are signed up and submitted in advance, and some fill in at the last minute, even during the convention. You'll have to check with someone who's done it.
I'm pretty sure you can attend, even if you're not a delegate, but check that out, too.
IMissLiberty
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How do I become a delegate in WISCONSIN?
I have asked this question to my meetup group but the only answer I receive is to join the county's Republican Party.
I want more information than this in order to be stealthy and just to know how it works!
Thank you in advance for any help, and the WI GOP website is not of any help either.
Contact a member of the Wis GOP
They will tell you what to do.
You want to become a delegate for the GOP you need to be a member of the GOP....ok?
Go get'em, hero!
Try here for your info or
Try here for your info or contact your meetup group
http://www3.webng.com/ron...
Ideas for you
This is how it worked for me in the Libertarian Party in California:
I changed my voter registration about 20 years ago to Libertarian. Shortly afterward, a local Libertarian called me on the phone to invite me to a local meeting. I went and saw what they were doing, and I connected to the party online, and eventually I paid my dues and joined.
I went to a couple of meetings and one day they asked me if I wanted to be a delegate to the state convention. I said yes (I was flattered), even though I was very surprised it was so easy. No quiz, no nothing.
The thing is, the local group wants somebody local to represent them at the convention. Finding enough people to fill all their slots to get maximum representation is very difficult because of the time and money and level of commitment to politics it requires from the delegate.
I suggest you call your local political activists and/or politicians. Yes, I know, you think they're the enemy. But if you know what party your city councilman belongs to, you can bet he or she has participated in this process as part of their networking. Or go to the county level. There is probably some prominent Republican who wants your vote, and would love to give you inside information on how to join and participate.
If you see Republicans signing up voters at an event, talk to them. They'll likely know how it works. Also, check out Meet-up.com for Republican interest groups. Go to a meeting. Ask around. You don't need to bring up Ron Paul, but don't lie. The people you meet may well be there, and you want them to respect you.
Good luck, and thanks!
IMissLiberty
My wife and I are now
My wife and I are now delegates as well as my brother and his wife. I also have a friend in another county here in Georgia who is a delegate along with his parents. Becoming a local delegate is very easy. The more Paul supporters you can get there, the better. And be stealthy.
Fantastic and thank you keep
Fantastic and thank you keep up the fight people
NJ Delegate
Can someone please assist me in how to become a delegate in New Jersey....I would really appreciate if someone can help me out..Please..
NJ Delegate Help
Look here
http://www.ronpaulforums....
and here
http://www.ronpaulforums....
Sorry i fixed the links in
Sorry i fixed the links in my post so they work now
go here to understand the delegate process
NJ is a state where delegates are not bound to vote for who wins the state so delegates here are extremely important.
http://www3.webng.com/ron...
NJ DELEGATES ARE BOUND
Please see attached:
http://www.njgop.org/imag...
Or, They Could Vote Their Conscience
It would appear, for NJ anyway, that if delegates vote their conscience on the first go-around, the big penalty would be: they don't get to be delegates again.
Also be sure to recognize that all of Romney's delegates are up for grabs, even on the first round of votes! Delegates "assigned" to Romney are no longer assigned to anybody, despite Mitt's urging that "his" delegates pledge their precious votes toward McPain.
Per the document you cited:
RULE 5A(3) Length of Commitment of Delegates at National Convention
All delegates and alternates to the Republican National Convention once allocated and/or committed to a particular candidate by virtue of the February primary election shall be obligated and required to cast their vote for that candidate at each the first three votes to select the Republican Party’s nominee for the office of President of the United States at the Republican National Convention. In the event any candidate to whom New Jersey’s delegates and alternates are allocated and/or committed declines to participate in the Republican National Convention or makes known publicly that he/she no longer seeks the nomination of the Republican Party for the office of President of the United States, New Jersey’s delegates and alternates shall no longer be allocated and/or committed to any candidate.
and
RULE 5A(4) Censure of Delegates Who Fail to Abide by Commitment
Any delegate or alternate allocated and/or committed to a particular candidate by virtue of the results of the February primary election who fails or refuses to act in accordance with their allocation and/or commitment to that candidate as set forth herein shall be subject to censure by the New Jersey Republican State Committee and/or the County Republican Committees. Censure may include, among other things, being permanently barred from acting as a delegate or alternate to any future National Convention of the Republican Party.
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Note that the NJ rules do not say that the vote of a delegate following his conscience is thrown out, or invalidated in any way.
We need to find the GOP rules for the other states, and discover what "penalties" they hold against delegates who vote their conscience. We don't want to do anything illegal; we do want to honor the rules...and, we do want to make use of every viable opportunity to help get RP elected.
This is something
that is going to bite the GOP in the ass. Ron Paul all the way!
This why everyone needs to
This why everyone needs to become a delegate if they still can DO NOT DELAY REGISTER NOW.
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