Can I ask a question?
I don't know quite how to put this but I'm just wondering about some posts like.
- What foods to buy.
- The fear of martial law.
- Bank runs.
- The hoarding of gold and silver coins.
I am observing a worrying trend.
Are things really getting that bad?
I get the feeling people are getting very nervous.
The reason I ask is - I really don't know anymore.
I am an American citizen living in Ireland since 2005 and it's hard to get a sense of what things are like over there right now.
Just know that the rest of the world are rooting for you guys.
We know about the struggles of the ordinary decent Americans who seem to be waking up to a nightmare. We stand with you in your fight to restore America to the principles that made her great.
We also have our problems over here with the European Union trying to pass the Lisbon treaty which will be another nail in the coffin of individual countries sovereignty.
May God Bless Us All.
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bank runs?
Things are bad for many, and will get much worse, but you won't see it in the press.
We are in the midst of the largest bank run in the history of the world, financed by the central banks as they create money out of nothing as the good doctor would say. Kind of like a silent earthquake in the middle of the ocean that will eventually wash to shore. Please note the charts in the following article:
http://news.goldseek.com/...
But the stock guys, mentioned in other posts, may be on to something...obviously the system will not be allowed to fail or undergo any meaningful change. It will be just papered over by devaluing the currency, which...even without any real improvement in the financial value of a given stock...will lead to an increase in the dollar stock price as the dollar is worth less.
Investors don't trust Wall Street paper anymore. America needs a new financial bubble to feed its delusions of grandeur (or just finance its pension obligations), maybe it'll be the stock market again.
Things are getting this bad!!!
This is a great thread. The average Joe of America has no clue. I listen to Kudlow & Co on my XM in the car, and all he talks about is "This is the bottom, and it is time to buy" in regards to the stock market. Never once have I heard the "Main Stream Media" say SELL. I have never heard them say "get out of the market now". NEVER. Isn't that interesting?
In my opinion, all of the financial people on TV are paid shills!
This article just popped up and it is a good read....
It gets into gold and silver at the end, but is an incredible article, with some incredible quotes from people you know.
If you have the time....read it and understand what is going on. Lots of good links too.
http://news.goldseek.com/...
Some good answers up here, I
Some good answers up here, I just waned to add.. Don't ask to ask something, just ask.
I'm also hoarding Telescopes
So I can look for the aliens that are obviously mind controlling people to not vote for Ron Paul!
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
The scary part
The scary part is that if you watch TV it looks like everything is just fine. It's wonderful. The stock market is wonderful. I wonder if they are not telling us on purpose or if they are just in denial. It's hard to tell.
Nobody seen it coming in 1929 either. Here is a segment about the 1929 crash and how everyone was saying things were great just before the big crash.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Hmmmmm??
You are 100% correct in your observations. All of the MSM will tell you that everything is great. Just keep doing what you are doing....
It is all BS. The world economy is on the brink of destruction!
People in the MSM are trying to compare this to the depression of 1929 and they have no clue.
What is happening right now, has never happened before.
Their is no reference point. This will be an interesting year!
An Answer possibly
Hi, takeaction. If you have the time to read the following it is interesting.
Scroll down and start with the 'Notes' at the end before reading the article.(In the box to the right on american economy-phase of collapse 2008)
BTW- I've just had a mailshot thro' the door (I'm in U.K) - inviting trips to Orlando. (I've been twice before and have another child since the last time but won't consider another trip just yet)! I don't suppose many will hence the heavy promotion going on. War, economy, Elections, etc....
Anyway, here's the link to the euro view:
http://www.leap2020.eu/Ev...
'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated'.-fip -U.K
Yeah.. what are we talking about here.
We have a march to organize and an electiongoing on here. We need more Revolutionaries. I have a great idea that will get TONS of publicity. I have posted it and gotten either good replies or none at al. I have done and will continually do what I must to get this thing done. Check it out and see if you can donate. I put all my info n the site and have confirmed it is legal with the FEC. Cmon! www.ringsiderevolution.co...
What do we need RP himself to tell us what to do? If so, then we have become sheep of another herd. Lets focus on getting the message out and quit chit chattin about the price of wheat!
Will there be any election at all?
There are so many serious issues, any one of which could cause a recession.
When the word being used is becoming *depression* from financial advisors/experts, it would not take long (think Katrina) for things to go out of control and "require" martial law.
Then, Bush stays in power as dictator and there will not be an election.
Alternatively, there will be an election, but whoever wins will be blamed for the upcoming economic disaster.
Yeah well talkin about it amongst ourselves is pointless.
We need to SPREAD THE WORD!!!
We need to get noticed!!!
Just do a little research...
Check out the parallels between events in Germany after the Reichstag Fire, and in the United States after Sept. 11, 2001.
Trapp, I was working and did
Trapp, I was working and did not see you had replied to my comment below... Our ability to repay IS worsening. By that I mean our economy is in danger. No economy, no repayment. We can only pay with a strong economy, and that has started unwinding in case you haven't noticed. By the way, we ARE in a recession, and have been in one since December 07. If you still don't know we are in a recession, I can see how you think things are just fine.
Our economy is not going to collapse and die
I agree that we are or will shortly be in a recession, but so what? The country has had lots of recessions. We always come back and create even more wealth, and there is no valid reason I see to think that we won't come back from this one.
true...
but what is somewhat ominous is that the last blast of "wealth creation" following a recession was fundamentally derived from lowering/eliminating mortgage lending standards with basically negative real interest rates. Free money for signing pieces of paper. Borrowing with no standards is the ultimate economic steroid boost (as an aside, isn't it odd that we are starting to publicly address this issue in sports, with the imperial Roger Clemens supported in denial by his republican pals, at the same time?..."Misremembered" is sweetly Reaganesque, when men were men and lies were "mistakes were made"), but assuming that paying back loans is necessary (not in the American mindset from the government on down, I admit), it is short term.
Also, we are now in a global economy where our role has become that of debt aided/addled consumer of last resort rather than producer. Since WW2 we have lived in a world of American domination ultimately derived from much of the developed world being basically economically destroyed during the war. That advantage has fully wound out this time...forever.
The past does not determine the future. We indeed have many advantages still, but I don't think we are in Kansas anymore.
This one is different, trust
This one is different, trust me. Even our hapless Congressional leaders picked up on that, or did you not watch the Fed chairman's recent testimony on the economy?
Here is a great summary article, as well as a link to the video on youtube to bring you up to speed:
http://www.informationcle...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
But, there's always people to say
that every recession. That THIS one is different. This time it's going to be doomsday. Then as sure as day and night comes, the recession happens, the economy recovers. The economy will recover, then everyone will again be frothing at the mouth with positivity. Wait and see.
Note also that this is an election year. A lot of people have a vested interest in making it seem like we're going to fall off a cliff.
Trapp, unlike the recession
Trapp, unlike the recession of the 70's where we still had alot of industry in this country to pull us through, we are headed into a depression without any real industry...our economy is now based on the service industry. Are we just going to serve more burgers, stock more shelves and cut more lawns to save the economy?
The country doen't get rich as a servant.
Maybe we should be buying lawnmowers.
Hey, it's totally your own
Hey, it's totally your own call. That's what's great about liberty - the freedom to chase your own beliefs. But don't say you were not warned. Just do me a favor and beef up your disaster preparations anyway, if for nothing other than potential earthquakes etc...
Sobrdup, don't waste your
Sobrdup, don't waste your time trying to argue with this guy --- he is a recognized troll and disinfo agent well known on the Daily Paul, who has gone by various names here, but in each of them always adamantly defends the government, the status-quo and everything that benefits the establishment (and hurts the average Joe).
All of us self professed experts
are relating figures that will become a moot issue if the Fed decides to dry up the money supply to force banks into failure. They did it before for a land grab and it worked great for the ones in charge. This time I see it as a way to disarm us if we attempt to feed our families by hunting. When the shelves are bare or priced out of the middle classes reach and some of us try to become self reliant watch what happens. Take the kings property and you are ostracized as a criminal. Look at the what was signed into law January 8,2008 aimed specifically at trained Veterans and their ability and constitutional right to own firearms. First they go after ones they can label as unbalanced and after they have them whose next? My advice is to stock up on nonperishables, canned goods and the like, as well as lots of ammo. A cool dry place to hang meat would be a luxury if you could do it. Salt might be a good thing to stock up on too. Make no mistake its coming and the main reason is to disarm America. This war was declared before 1920 so get a clue how patient these miscreants are.
Don't worry, most Americans
Don't worry, most Americans are still going about their daily lives in complete ignorance, still talking about the Super Bowl, and DVRing their favorite shows instead of participating in protecting their freedom.
sometimes...
... I envy them.
Ignorance CAN be bliss....
But it's still not worth popping that blue pill - at least IMHO....
very bad..... get
very bad..... get prepared...
From One American to Another; Yes, Things Are Worse Than That
Where not paranoid, where just discussing
An increasing, growing number of US citizens Believe or are under the perception, that 2 of the 3 branches of our Federal Government; that being The Executive and Legislative branches respectively, have usurped the United States Constitution.
One way they did this was by Voting to pass the UnConstitutional so called Patriot Act. (The subsequent vote for and passage of the Patriot Act is an act of treason) (what do we now do with these members being so many have voted for Treason?)
(we are unable to have impeachment hearings, since a majority of the members are corrupt, they are so numb and dumb they just don't know it yet!) (other recent hints to this fact, is that the Democrat Majority, the President's opposing party. Voted to protect and to shield President Bush, from being tried by world courts for crimes against humanity)
Read up on it, as the Patriot Act, unconstitutionally, suspends the the US Constitution. If I'm not mistaken, because I have not yet read it in detail, if I'm not mistaken the supreme court basically is now a farce, yes this Once Great Court, a Monument to the free world and for Liberty everywhere is now perceived as a Kangaroo Court! It no longer rules for the people, rather only for expanding power of the executive branch!
Today, the third and last branch, that being The United States Supreme Court, refused to take and thus rule on a case regarding telephone companies that gave the federal government information on from and about private citizens regarding phone, emails, voice mails, and calls. Spying on all American Citizens.
Other information has come to this list for debate, from the Anti-Terror Branch of the FBI's Phoenix Arizona branch, that they are supposed to have been releasing pamphlets that ask citizens to report to them any citizen that talks about the US Constitution.
In a bit of Irony to the end, the citizens of the USA and not its now corrupt government, may end up asking our great friends the French who helped us during the first Revolution to help us again. Time will tell, if that call for help comes, would it fall on deaf ears, as many of our own citizens have closed theirs?
Or, will Americans in a last ditch effort, lobby for a worldwide commercial embargo to and from the United States in an effort to drive those committing Treason, and the national news organizations that support them! from power!
Just a questioning analysis from this American, do we people really have friends left in this world?
First of All
You are my brothers and sisters. I would never seek you harm, even if you are a puppet or a member of the fascist oligarchy that controls things around here.
1. Gold is freedom. It is the one thing that can be cleaned easily of their evil markings and still maintain its value.
2. Martial Law. How else are they going to persecute Christians who do not take the mark of the beast and not even know God's true name: Ehyah Asher Ehyah. HR1955 is in order for the new world order. People who vote for any of the CFR candidates are endorsing this. It is the law of attraction. Many people think the bible is true, so it is coming true.
3. Bank Runs. I simply max out my daily allowance via my bank card. No reason to panic. The paper will always not have value and be evil. You an fold a $20 from 1999 and later like an airplane and see the burning twin towers on the freemason design (Bush is also a freemason). Who wants their money?
4. This is not hoarding! This is my hobby! I am a numismatist! It fascinates me how people hold value in paper money so I convert mine to my own imaginary mini-economy. it is my religion, I believe in Ehyeh and he has told me that this is the key to my freedom to dedicate my life to support the freedom of mankind and finally expose Iapedus and Mimas as the alien bases they are. I believe freedom of religion is still in tact?
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
It depends on where you live
and what you do. It is VERY difficult to get non bias news on the tv and radio. Homeless are going into empty forclosed homes. We ARE in a recession but no one wants to admit it. People continue to go about and
seem clueless as to the problems of the country.
Trapp must either be making over 50K per year or...
...he's still living at home with Mommy and Daddy because most average folks under 50K are starting to feel real financial hardships now! Wake up! As long as you make good money, you don't feel it as much! Throw in a couple of kids and it is downright hard to get by with all the fast rise in prices for food, gasoline, heating oil and everything else! Trapp's either a rich snob or a know-it-all Momma's boy but things are what they are and if you open your eyes to see it, it's there and getting worse!
"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always"
Gandhi
If you're making less than 50K a year
I suggest you think about changing careers. There's a lot of money to made out there. Don't be a lemming.
I know skilled tradesman, engineers and small businessmen
that don't make $50K
hmmm
let me think... 2 jobs in 4 years where I made 32k pre tax outsourced to India. so now pretax i make 24k a year. yep.. i'm lazy... I love having to choose between heat and food. Thanks for your brilliant insight. scuze me now i have to go recycle cans so I can have gas to get to work tomorrow.
Congratulations! That was
Congratulations! That was both the most stupid, and the most arrogant, thing you have ever written here! The breadth of your cluelessness is truly amazing.
That's right, folks ---- NOBODY has ANY reason to be making less than $50,000 a year! How DARE we all be so lazy and indigent?!
That's right
There is no reason to only make 50K / year. If you're willing to exert yourself and your mind, you can make much much more.
I'm not saying anyone making 50K / year is lazy. They may simply be comfortable making that much. But there are a LOT of lazy people out there.
lol you tell me where there
lol you tell me where there is alot of money to be made??
That's for you to figure out
yourself, like everyone else who makes a lot of money has done.
Yes, EVERYONE can make at
Yes, EVERYONE can make at least $50,000 a year! But how? SSSHHHH ----- it's a secret!
Not to worry ---- at the current and projected rate of inflation, everyone WILL be making at least $50,000 a year soon enough. The question is, just how much will that $50,000 be worth? A LOT less than now, that's for sure!
I can't believe
that this question is even being asked. 50K is peanuts. Is everyone on here broke?
The fact that you have to
The fact that you have to ask that demonstrates that you are not experiencing the reality of difficult financial times as is the majority of Americans.
The median wage in the USA is somewhere around $40,000/year, so more than half of the workers in the US make less than your "peanuts". Thanks for your disparaging and insulting commentary, though.
And the average person
is unmotivated. Anyone who wants to make $100k / year or more can do so, IF they have the motivation. Most people are simply content to live a mediocre life.
To be making $50K / year and complaining about it is absurd, as if it's someone else's fault. No, my friend, it's your fault that you won't take your life to the next level.
Interesting, as well, how
Interesting, as well, how you define "life" strictly in terms of income.
Just like a good corporate lemming would.
Well..
If you don't look at a high income as being necessary for a good life, then you have nothing to be concerned about. Stay poor and have a nice life.
This clown is most assuredly
a poser who needs to get a real life.
And before you make a snide remark
tell me how many kids do you have in an Ivy League college that you are concerned about the kind of mess we are leaving them?
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