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Dr. Ron Paul For President Third Party Update

I am concerned when I hear Dr. Paul's state that he will not run as a Third Party because he wants to stay loyal to the Republican Party. Dr. Paul, I have a message for you. You Promised your supporters that as long as you had the followers and the finances that you will continue with your message. Dr. Paul with all do respect your message goes beyond any Party Affiliation. Your message is what's right for America. Dr. Paul you have served in Congress for 20 years and I'm proud to say the message you have today is the same you had 20 years ago. But unforunately this Nation is further from the Principles of your message than we were 20 years ago. Dr. Paul we need you as President and we demand that you stay LOYAL to your promise to us. We The People will do whatever it takes to give you the resources you need to run for President as an Third Party. This is not about being an Republican rather it's all about your message. So Dr. Paul today we make a pledge to you we will have another Money Ball on Febuary 22, 2008 (Geoge Washington Birthday) and begin to give you the resources you need for your run as President as a Third Party. Dr. Paul we pledge to you that on Febuary 22, 2008 we will break the one day record again, all we ask in return is that you keep the pledge you made to us. So people Febuary 22, 2008 will be the day we proclaim that we still have hope for Dr. Paul to run for President as a Third Party after all isn'tor slogan Ron Paul Real Hope For America......

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Just The Beginning

I just want to echo what a couple others have reminded us of...whatever the outcome, it is just the beginning.

Here is what i told myself. Let's say TEN is FANTASTIC for the "movement" and One is TERRIBLE for the movement. Here is how i see it.

OTHER PERSON WINS PRES.- We are at a ONE for the movement - square one - uphill battle all the way, no real ally.

RON PAUL WINS PRES. We are at a FOUR / FIVE for the movement. In other words, even though we get like the BEST possible choice for President, a real ALLY, we don't score a TEN because of all the anti-movement stuff. People blocking his pet bills, doing other nasty stuff to block liberty and our individual prosperity.

So, i tell myself, we are only losing 3-4 points, so to speak, by not getting Ron Paul in. Why do this? Because i began to "romanticize" this perfect Presidential outcome at times, and i needed to come back to reality and remember that one man, even if he is President, cannot mend the big mess in four years or eight years, because all the bastards who are trying to make One World are still going to be out there planning our demise.

Some people have written, "If Ron Paul loses, i am leaving the country" and i have also thought that. So, i came up with that little formula. Ron Paul in the White House does not mean we would all be able to lean back and have a beer and do nothing else. We know this, but I for one need reminding - because it helps me calm down and take what comes.

Thank you.

Ron Paul 2008

3rd party??

As a former congressional candidate on a third party ticket years ago it feels to me that the best thing for Ron Paul and his supporters to do is;

1. FOCUS on this campaign and "not stop the focus" *** until McCain not only appears to have a lock on the nomination but until he really does have a lock.

(1.) We should all canvass by phone or in person our local precincts and identify who the Ron Paul supporters are.

(2) Be sure to phone or door to door canvass the voters registered as independent and share Ron Paul information, DVD's and web sites videos and win them to Ron Paul between now and the end of August.

2. Now if McCain does get a lock on the nomination before the convention (or at the convention) then (at that) moment the Ron Paul supporters should be prepared to do several things.

3. (a). Have in our possession as many slim jims and Ron Paul signs as possible.

(b), Be prepared to make a stickers the size of a bumper sticker label
to put cover the word republican and

(c) The stickers or labels should say "write in" or "independent" what ever (Ron Paul HQ) tells us to do at that time.

(d). After the nomination everyone starts a new donation limit. We supporters are allowed to donate another $2300. each between the convention and the November election.

(e) Everyone please start saving a little weekly to donate in September to launch a write in or independent campaign for Ron Paul.

By continuing to educate everyone about Ron Paul's voting recording during his ten terms that has he served in congress we will grow his support all spring and summer long.

He has the right message and a real media blackout.
We have all spring and summer to educate the public with our tools. The only way to stop this revolution is for us to not donate and to not help Ron Paul. I still believe that in the end with our continued support Ron Paul can win.

I disagree

While I can't argue the republican party has treated Ron Paul horribly, I think he needs to stick with his efforts to reform the party by questioning the neoconservative agenda and bring it back to it's traditional conservative roots. Who else would lead the struggle to do this? It's more valuable than making a third party run that is destined to fail.

Not Now

Of course we would all like to see him run, but now is not the time to rally around it. Americans can still vote for him in about 15 states. There is no need to quit and start running third party now. He can make that decision after the convention, raise 20 million and still have a big impact on the race.

if he loses his house seat to that Peden guy...

Then he's got to ditch the GOP and screw em once and for all.

Bastard Son of the GOP

All I can say is, "what has the Republican Party done for you, Dr. Paul?"

Not much. They've silenced you when you speak of true conservativism.
This is no longer the Republican party of our parents. This is a distorted
hybrid of Neo-conservatism and fascism. Time to move on Dr. Paul.
Your ideals no longer represent what was once the Republican party.

Ron Paul is the only reason I would put an "X" next to a Republican.
And today may have very well been the last time.

The Revolution will not take place with Neo-conservatists behind it.

Actually

Fortune Favors the Bold

I believe if a thrid party, like the Libertarian party, "drafted him", i.e., nominated him as their candidate, he could remain a republican and keep his house titles, although it would be a weird situation.

There May Be No GOP Left After November

FACT: 25 GOP House members will not run for reelection and Democrats traditionally win most open seats
FACT GOP House fund raising has been so anemic the GOP fired all of their solicitors
FACT The GOP lost virtually EVERYWHERE in 2006, and 2008 is unlikely to be any better, as the GOP must defend 22 Senate seats with a losing message (Stay the course on the war) and, very likely, a losing candidate (the psychotic John McCain).

The last times the GOP was in this bad a shape was 1958 and 1964 In '58, the GOP had an incumbent president (Eisenhower), and in 1964 Goldwater carried the deep South states. McCain will likely lose 49 states and DC to Obama, or all 50 states if Obama takes Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano as his running mate.Look at the GOP and Democratic primary numbers just in the red states. In virtually all the red states, Democratic primary voters outnumbered Republican voters by upwards of 40%.

New York governors traditionally seat the nominations of the Liberal and Conservative parties. So, having Dr. Paul gain the Libertarian, Constitutional and, maybe, even the Reform Party nomination would be unusual, but by no means unique.
First, we need to focus on the Republican nomination, both for the presidency and the House. It's not over yet.

He Is Keeping His Promise

He is still running for President. The race isn't over!

He does not need to give up his congressional seat and switch parties to continue his run for President.

He is keeping his promise and doing just fine. Don't panic; just keep it slow and steady.

Also, just a bit of advice, you might want to use a spell checker before posting your messages.

What you guys are forgetting

What you guys are forgetting is that he cannot run on a third party and still keep his Congressional seat. Forget about it already.
www.paulforronpaul.com

We should start a new party called the Patriot Party

Or is there already one? There are so many, who can keep track...

he could run for congress as

an independent, hell, lieberman did and won.everyone knows ron paul in texas so, what party he is in shouldnt matter, if they love him, they will vote for him.maybe even more so if he got out of that currupt party anyways. this would make it very easy to run third party for pres too. i know it wont happen but we are screwed no matter what. why not make a real stand and snub the bastards and show the republican party, they arent worth saving. ok you may throw the tomatoes at me now.

This is ridiculous...

....who is organizing this money "ball"? And only 3 days to get ready for it?

I agree that the 3rd party option needs to be left open, but lets wait and see what happens on March 4th.

Ridiculas?

Ridiculas is the way you phrased your comment. We dont need to orginize anything we just have to spread the word. MONEYBALL 2/22/2008

I agree...

Wut lora said iz tootaly re... redeculos?

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HQ knows what it's doing! Trust us! We are the experts, not you! Remember how popular the NH tv ads were! He's catching on I'm telling ya!

He can't run

as a 3rd party candidate for president and republican for congress. He would have to run 3rd party for congress as well. That would be REALLY difficult to pull off.

Republican versus...

I too registered Republican with little enthusiasm; i would switch tomorrow if i had a choice for a person i believed it - i guess i am more of a conservative independent and i never liked the two party system; to me it just sounds like a lot of old men running things - the fix is in and all... Can't a person male or female just state what he or she believes in and run on that platform? Wouldn't that help eliminate all the control issues, as in getting the endorsements? I understand about the electoral college and all, but certainly we COULD change it if we wanted to. Just because we have this "two-party" system does not mean we should not question that system. I am sure any number of you could give me a lesson on why we need a party affiliation/two party system, but maybe it is there because people are too lazy to research what each Candidate believes in. Maybe it is easier for them to mark one box or the other box - never reading the paper or looking on the internet, and so on. Just as Trigger could count with his hooves, the average voter can remember if he or she is a Democrat or Republican. I guess that is why. If my ONLY option is to try to change the Republican party, i am not sure i have the stomach for that. I have talked to people who have tried for 20 years with no luck. Are you sure it can even be done? Are we sure it is not TIME for another party ? This is just what i am currently thinking about. Thank you. I am very sorry that Ron Paul is dropping out. I cried.

Ron Paul 2008

"{I am very sorry that Ron

"{I am very sorry that Ron Paul is dropping out. I cried."

He has NOT dropped out. Rumor that is unsubstantiated. Until you hear it directly from him, don't believe it.

I too have little stomach for trying to change the Republican party from within however as things stand currently, we don't really have much of a choice. A new party would be great! How many alternative parties are there already? Lots! And they don't stand a chance in h*ll of winning much of anything. REALITY is what we have to work with! We have a better chance working from within. The old boys are old. There time is past. It is now OUR time. We must make it and our country what we want it to be - no matter how long it takes. If the rules change and third parties begin to get the fair attention they deserve, you bet I'll work for that but unil then. I work where I have the best chance of making some difference.

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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

Reply to reply

1. I AM "officially" waiting. I have taken no 'action' or said anything. I have not taken down my signs, etc. So 'officially' i am waiting. I just feel this is the place to vent/confide in others. Sorry if i went too far.
2. I am OLD ok? I know the OLD GUARD is running the GOP but i also know that not all older people are supportive of what the party has become. Not at all. When you say "You had your chance" i hope you just meant the few GOP nitwit leaders ruining the party for everyone. It is not yet time for the older generation to completely pass things off to the enthusiastic younger generation - not yet, IMO. For one thing, the WOMEN i speak to in the GOP very much have the right idea, they continue to butt heads with the "old farts" so i would see these females as allies, not to be pushed aside, just FYI.

The "bad people" have such a head start. This is going to take years, if God waits that long, and ALL OF US.

Finally, i hope we never give up on the Third Party idea. Maybe one day it WILL take. I just hope we don't give up on it, is all, no matter what happens with the other two parties. And again, i think i know what you mean here. I just wanted to say this, in case.. Thanks.

Ron Paul 2008

I wasn't referring to age as

I wasn't referring to age as much as "old school" vs "new school" I know there are many older members who believe as we do and I personally would never discount their wisdom and experience.

Also personally I won't discount or give up on a third party HOWEVER I only have so much time and energy to devote to this hard work we have ahead of us so I will avoid barking up the wrong tree as much as I can.

I suggest everyone take a look at the Republican Liberty Caucus. They are part of the GOP but not beholding to it. They follow our platform and have members and chapters in every state. Our movement has been invited to join and I think of all the options we have, currently it is the best way we can pool our great grassroots efforts. Give their site a look see and see if you agree: rlc.org

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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

Here's the Problem: Should He Give Up Before He Has Lost?

He won't know until the Republican Convention whether or not he's the nominee. If he gives up before then, many of his supporters who became delegates will be annoyed.

The Libertarian Convention is at the end of May, and will already have taken place by the Republican Convention in September. They invited him to throw his hat in the ring, but he can't do both.

No presidential candidate I have ever voted for has ever been elected since I started voting in 1974, so maybe I'm biased, but I think he's doing just fine where he is. Become a delegate. Or sign up to volunteer (see the other thread where the GOP is looking for volunteers). Be there.

IMissLiberty

But the LP candidate could voluntarily choose to step aside

If RP lost the GOP nomination in September, the LP nominee could conceivably offer to step aside for RP to step in and carry the LP torch in November. I highly suspect that any reasonable person who gets the LP nomination would be willing to sacrifice their own nomination for the chance to get RP on the ballot in November as an LP candidate.

Why could he be the nominee of both the Libertarian

and Constitution parties, but not of the Libertarian and Republican Parties? What is the difference? If the Libertarian Party were to nominate RP, why could he not continue to seek the R nomination? Anyone know?

The CP and LP put principle over party

But I am pretty sure the GOp would disqualify him if he actively sought the nomination of another party. I am reasonably sure they would not allow that. On the other hand, if RP *won* the GOP nomination, I doubt they could stop him from also accepting the LP or CP nomination, which both parties would likely offer him if he won the GOP nod.

Imagine....seeing Ron Paul on the ballot THREE TIMES in November.

I can appreciate your zeal.

I can appreciate your zeal. But let's be honest here. The ONLY reason anyone outside of the libertarian circle heard of Ron Paul this campaign season is because he's a Republican. By that alone he was able to do more for the libertarian movement in one year than the party itself has been able to do (we all understand the system is rigged) in 30 years. I don't think we have any place to question how he continues to deliver the message.

How about we SUPPORT the man we claim to support?

I believe he knows exactly what he is doing, and he has asked us to register as Republicans, to become Republican delegates, and to bring the Republican party back to its own platform. Thai is what I will be doing. Oh, and getting increasingly irritated at the incessant calls for a 3rd party when I am working my butt off to get people registered Republican.

How about we SUPPORT THE MAN AND THE MESSAGE.

This is not about being a Republican, Democrat, Independent, ETC.. I repeat what this needs to be about is THE MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!! I will vote for Dr. Paul if he was running as a Democrat, Independent,Libritarian, Republican, etc.... I am voting for the MAN AND THE MESSAGE l can careless what Party Affiliation is labeled next to it. IT"S ALL ABOUT THE MESSAGE AND THE INDIVIDUAL

Technically you are correct, however ..

As Dr Paul has stated, over and over, the system is bias against third parties, it is too late now anyway and most importantly, he IS a Republican.

Now back to your point: this is about the message, YES and what is the best way to spread and continue to spread that message? From within the existing power structure and organizations already in place of the Republican party to work towards getting people elected who follow Dr Paul's platform. It doesn't matter to me ( a former Democrat ) what party Dr Paul is in, it is Dr Paul and his message I believe in therefore why should I care what party I participate in? Your reasoning is good, just not followed through to it's logical and realistic conclusion of "How do we continue to spread this message, get it heard and get people elected that support it and follow it in theory AND in practice?"

Dr Paul has been involved in this fight a long time. I will follow his lead and recommendations as I trust him.

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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

iT'S NOT TO LATE

Dr. Paul has served for 20 years in Congress with the same message People all efforts now have to be for Dr. Paul to have the resources he needs to have the oppurtunity to be this Nations President I'm sorry but not as Congressman Money Ball 2/22/08

Take off, Hoser!

izzy1007: You know it's too late, as myself and others have REPEATEDLY put forth the information about 3rd party ballots!

Get a freakin' grip and go do some damned research!!! NO 3RD PARTY RUN IS POSSIBLE!

Look. If posters don't get this by now, they've gotta be trolls...

Nice try, Wonkish one, you must be Paultarded. Or maybe fell out of the Huck a Tree, and hit every redneck branch on the way down?

Ron himself

in his latest video message to us says that it is too late. Not to mention that he would have to run third party for the congressional seat. There is no time to do that, ballots are already done.

Again I will council - LISTEN to Dr Paul. He knows what he is doing!

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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

You Have the Right Attitude

Patience is what is required. I'm sure we all wanted him to have won already over a year ago, but this is a long battle in a war without end. Even when he or someone like him is elected, it won't be over.

Thanks for being on the right side.

IMissLiberty

Please understand

All i want is Dr. Paul to keep his pledge to us. He stated as long as he has the supporters and the finances he will continue with his run for President. We raised 20 million last quarter, the campaign goal was 5 million before super tuesday (we did it) we have raised a million since then We The People have kept our Pledge all i"m asking is for Dr. Paul to keep his pledge. I want Dr. Paul to pledge to us that after the rep. Convention if he is not the Candidate that he will continue because it"s not a point of Party Affiliation anymore It"s all about the MESSAGE MONEYBALL 02/22/2008