What will happen to Canada after the American collapse?
Posted February 21st, 2008 by punjabimunda
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I am in this freedom movement with you guys, just letting you know. This is international movement. Anyway this question revolves around the inevitable collapse of America. How will this effect me and my job in Canada. I don't know how much we are invested into America, but I know we are tied pretty close due to NAFTA. Right now i'm just a young college student and have only convince my parents to buy a measly 1 ounce of gold for me as a present lol (it's a start!). But I will have a good paying career so I'm wondering if I can just not worry about this problem. A follow up would be, since all fiat always collapses, should I also be worried about our dollar collapsing in my generation? Thanks from up north.
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This movement is not just about America
but about all peoples of the world we are so alike but have been programed to feel that we different, we are not, we want the same things, so stay tuned in, we are heading into a true REVOLUTION for all of mankind.
just buisness guys sorry
This is a non hostile takeover!
The Canadian and Mexican
The Canadian and Mexican economies have been intermeshed with each other since before World War 2. Up until the 1980's Canada and Mexico were the US's biggest trading partners.
You could say that economically the US and Canada are one country...
In terms of going to Britian
Fortune Favors the Bold
Won't help
In many ways, Britian is far worse then America in terms of fiscal stability, electoral openness, civil liberties, surveillance.
Best country right now is Greece.
But if the NWO is a real agenda, there won't be any haven if people just run. Better to stand and fight.
Oh, I meant...
You're right - there's no point running to Britain.
I believe Britain's already lost - a police state heading towards some kind of soft fascism (as Ron Paul says). If anyone doesn't believe it's a police state (I don't care what the dictionary definition of one is) then I invite you all to go there and see for yourself. It's a little taste of what's to come in America.
My point was that I am one of the lucky ones to have a second passport and somewhere else to go. But, I'm not going to run anymore. As Alex Jones says, it's a Prison Planet we live on now. There's no escape.
As you say, JohnGalt3000, I'm going to stand where I am and fight, if that's what it comes to (but those Greek Islands, man I wish I was on one of those right now).
No doubt about that.
Hell, even Canada is further down the line of socialism. Wayyy further.
We live free and die together.
Whatever happens to the American economy in the future, we here in Canada will definitely feel the effects. How much depends on how bad it gets in the U.S.
There's no point sitting there and worrying about it. We all (both Canadians and Americans) just need to carry on with the Revolution and try to turn things around, and at the same time prepare for anything that happens in the future (there have been lots of posts on that subject on Daily Paul).
Even though I have my British passport and a family house in India, I will NOT cut and run until there is absolutely no hope left here (kind of like how it is in Zimbabwe right now). I WILL stay here and fight for my rights, and I will help my American brothers and sisters to the south, because after all, we are all human beings.
What made me feel pride in the North American people was shortly after I came to Canada from Britain in 2001. On 9/11, lots of U.S. airplanes were redirected to my local airport (Vancouver International). Hundreds of Americans would have had to spend days sleeping in the airport, but the people of my city (Richmond) came forward spontaneously to put these people up and feed them. This is the kind of thing that will see our countries through any hard times to come.
Oh and punjabimunda, hurry up and get married to a nice Punjabi girl - you'll get lots of gold at your wedding ;-)
LOL
I never thought about that but its true. I read somewhere that India and China are very secure for a global crisis because of the gold dowry tradition. But won't the gold belong to my wife? ;)
help with donations
hey , can you Canadians help us out with donating to the campaign?
It's in your best interest , also its in the best interest of the whole world.
Is it legal for individuals in other countries to donate to presidential campaigns here?
We can't make campaign contributions...
....already looked into that it's illegal. But yes we can fund grass root projects (like the blimp we once had). I don't have any money now since I am just a college student, but I'm sure some are doing just that. In fact, i think it was from Alexa.com i discovered after America most hits come from Canada to dailypaul.com! so hopefully theres some support financially as well.
good question
I've wondered about that often, as I know Ron Paul has a lot of support in various countries around the world. I have read of meetups in South America and Europe. I would be interested to hear about the donations aspect, so I await some answers to it! And you're right, it is in the best interest of the world.
All I know
is that it's Neo-lib and Neo-con heaven. I'm not speaking about the citizens, just the government.
I mean, go to prison because you don't agree with the Israeli cause, because that's considered anti-se_ _ _ _ _ _.
That's getting ready to happen here. Well, maybe not if we...
I have met many Canadians and I have to say they've been nice to talk with. It just seems like they were scared of the government there. ??
The economic collapse will
The economic collapse will be global. That's what I've been hearing.
Don't worry about it
American is not going to "collapse" in the foreseeable future, regardless of what the doomsayers here may tell you.
(And they'll attack me for not agreeing that America is not on the verge of collapse. It seems like you have to be believe in a disaster scenario in the near future to be accepted into the clique here).
No, I think you just have to open your eyes and
do a lot of reading, i.e.,
www.goldenjackass.com Jim Willie's site (profound articles)
www.goldseek.com (great articles, but several writers everyday (check out Mogambu Guru, he's fun to read, shows you how ridiculous it all is and didn't have to be that way)
www.jsmineset.com (great analyst, financials & geopolicals) google Ty Andros (I think it's www.safehaven.com) read his Thrill Ride Pts. 1-4
The government
always gives good signs and props the economy before a collapse. Just look what happened to the market crash that was about to happen a couple weeks ago. But they fiddled with the interest rate. But as Ron Paul says, the longer they delay it the worse the recession will be. Only the naive are fooled by these gimmicks. We ron paulers know what's happening, whe're smarter :p.
The not so mighty U.S. DOLLAR
Trapp,
Please explain why it should continue to be a "what, me worry?" scenario any longer? The reserve currency of the world is moving towards not being worth a can of beans. We're at a tipping point where devaluation cannot be stopped. To me that spells worldwide economic collapse.
http://images.google.com/...
Of course devaulation can be
Of course devaulation can be stopped. All that has to be done is to raise interest rates and cause a recession, like what was done under Reagan.
Even if the dollar "collapsed," which is highly unlikely, it would not be the end of the world. A new currency would be issued and we'd be back on our feet again in a short time. If it were going to collapse, it wouldn't do so until dollars had been converted to Euros. That's what a collapse would consist of ...everyone converting to Euros. You can't have a collapse without people converting to another currency. So business would go on, but under Euros until the new U.S. currency took hold. It's not like it would be the end of the world or armageddon.
Not Euro
Amero, not Euro. That will be the new currency. Cost you 40 of 'em to take a ride on the NAFTA Superhighway!
For Liberty!
Just asking
whether ECB would allow Bernanke to raise and lower Euro interest rates?
Well...
Since we're already in a recession, it won't take raising rates to get there.
If the Fed raises interest rates to protect the dollar, how will we afford to borrow more than the $10 trillion we already owe on the national debt? We already borrow to pay the interest on what we owe today.
The typical family owes more than $400,000 in current and future government entitlements, totaling over $40 trillion. Where will that money come from if the government doesn't simply print it, inflating the money supply? Are we going to tax the unemployed?
Why should we think that the government will allow Euros to be the currency for transactions in the United States? In 1933, the government even forcibly repossessed gold from US citizens.
http://www.fromthewildern...
You mean $53Trillion
don't you?
I agree that interest rates must go up.
But the Fed needs to be removed for a true market adjustment to occur. Currently the Fed continues to artifically supress interest rates while simultaneously inflating the money supply. A recipe for economic disaster.
Yo
you raise a very good question? Can't we just start a new currency in the time of a collapse.... Well I guess the world would lose confidence in us since once being the reserve currency, and most of our jobs would be oversees. so yeah. i guess maybe we'd not be as well of
Sure, gold & silver would be a good start!
Today's news:
Oil: $100+
Gold: record high
how much !
Do you own and how much have you lost ?
It's already started whenyou drive through michigan northern ohio and you see the foreclosures and houses for sale just everywhere ! Homeless shelters are buckling.
show me your data and i'll show you mine...
otherwise, shut your piehole with your own personal thoughts and back it up with the data to prove it....loser!
Gold is up 250% since 2000! Stock market off to worst start in decades! Joblessness UP! Dollar DOWN! Inflation UP!
Don't worry about it? What a buffon you are. This ain't the old Amerika, buddy. We know better than to just listen and get in line any more.
See what I mean?
They take personal offense to it and respond with personal attacks, for an intellectual disagreement. Very irrational. Appears to be some kind of cult.
I'm not offended
Just answer the question?
It's not a belief
Here's a recent summary of some economic risks:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/f...
The economy is not magical.
A recession
is not a collapse of America. Recessions, as well as Depressions (not that I think we're headed into a depression), are followed by economic expansions.
I think Jim Sinclair said it best
He said "we are heading to mass financial destruction!"
confidence vote
I'm a dual citizen but I live in canada this year and I may just stay this time. In canada right now Harper is up against a confidence vote that could call for a new canadian election as of next month for his role in the SPP and the selling out of canadians to that rediculous bill.
Canada will not be in trouble as long as we don't unify with the states.We have our own sovereignty and we have our own resources that are plentiful. In fact one of the greatest resources in the world. We have more lumber and some of the best oil fields. We will get hit by the automotive industry pretty hard but we have other products that we control.
I heard recently that the world has begun a boycott of US products on a global scale. I may have to sell my place in san diego and stay here if anyone but ron paul gets elected.
The states are seriously under attack from the inside it may be too late to defeat it.
I can't imagine what's going to happen if anyone else is president. It's gonna be a nightmare but Canada should be fine. First step remove Harper .
A boycott??
Really? Like who or what?
google world wide american boycott
a while back the french were busting windows in mcdonalds allover france stuff like that. If bush does this sattelite thing tonight the russians and the chinese will see this as a complete violation of their agreement over space and not testing weapons there. It's gonna get really bad really quick.
If your coming to Canada I hope you can handle the cold . The women are amazing though !!
American Women
aren't too bad either.
RE: What will happen to Canada after the American collapse?
a surge in immigration from the south? (just a guess :-)
Americans are conceited, Canadians are smug.
whats more Canadians are less likely to give their lives for a just cause than the American patriot. Who is right? Who knows? But if 100,000 canadians don't show up for the Freedom March just across the border, then I don't give a shit what happens to Canada!
sry
double post
Yeah I agree
I'm not offended...Canada sucks like monkey fuck. We are basically a socialist state with "free health care" and 60% income tax. And the most productive citizens are taxed even more. What a fucking load of shit. Even our "great" prime ministers were socialists like Trudeau. And you know what, we take this shit. We are what you guys might become down the road. But atleast you guys have started standing up NOW. Man my country makes my piss boil but you know what I was born in it so I guess I can't be too harsh. But you guys make me feel patriotic, I wish sometimes I was American. You guys have a republic that actually puts limits on your elected rulers and not a fucking democracy, even though no one follows the fucking constitution! Your founding fathers were true fucking geniuses. Yet most Americans don't even know the difference between the two, but atleast you guys give me hope. Sorry for my vulgarity.
"Just Watch Me" Pierre Trudeau
Canucks are connected and heading south without your "give a shit what happens to Canada." Remember, we are outside the bubble looking in. America has near built Canada. If your bubble burst, we get splashed big time.
Canuck for Ron Paul
I hope you guys help us
I will do or say anything to help Ron Paul, and if I hurt peoples feelings I don't care. If Canadians will help, I will forever be indebted to them.
The blog poster is saying America will collapse...
And you guys feel sorry for him, because Canada might have some associated financial crisis? Are you kidding me? Canada has flourished under the military security that the U.S. has provided for the last 100 years. Instead of wondering what to do when America collapses, they should be helping us to ensure that America doesn't collapse!!!
I have to tell you
THAT WAS WELL SAID
tell us how you really feel...
seriously have you ever thought of being a diplomat?
Rude!
.
I'd say that's rude .
I've lived in both countries and frankly there are good and bad in both countries.
Canadians just have a much better system to rely on. so consequently they are much more relaxed about things.
There is a military but we don't fight aggresively unless attacked. If you look through history it has been the US that always provocked things and that what Ron paul Is saying. You would have a similar type of government as canada if he were elected. Our military here is know for peace keeping missions and not for aggresive ones.
You will be living
In the North American Union
pretty soon!