Does the cost of $160,000 per RP delegate, sound like a winning strategy?
Lew Rockwell estimates that RP will have approx. 175 delegates at the convention. If HQ spends $28 million to get these 175 delegates - that comes to $160,000 per delegate. Then, delegates have to pay their own way to the convention!
An alternative strategy would be to hire 500 campaign workers who could devote a month to becoming a delegate. If there is a conflict in their state AFTER they become a delegate, then they simply go to volunteer status at that point.
Hiring 500 campaign workers at $2,000 for a month of work, would certainly be a lot more cost effective than $160,000 per delegate! It's the magic of the market place working with a grassroots campaign.
It's called thinking outside the box and "watering the grass to make it grow"!
We Have Spawned a Viable Revolution....
...and you are worried about the cost of delegates? They are priceless.
Our 'movement' is gaining traction at an unprecedented rate as supporters begin coming to the realization that this is not simply about getting Ron Paul elected. This is about returning power to the people...and it is working. A waterfall begins with one drop and we are well past that stage.
Ron Paul still has a chance, but we must follow his lead and throw our support and efforts behind people on a local level....and on candidates that pledge to uphold the concept of freedom and liberty in districts throughout the country.
Gain some perspective is my advice.
$2.3 million per delegate
At least, that's the exchange rate per CNN and AP.
$32.5 million / 14 delegates
There are ethical limits
Fortune Favors the Bold
Stealth delegates=smart
Paid delegates=immoral
The people are paid as campaign workers until they
become a delegate. If there is a conflict with state law after that point, they go to volunteer status.
Hillary has probably spent 100,000,000
trying to get 2000 delegates, which comes out to about $50,000/delegate. If you figure in all the free air time she gets from the MSM that Ron Paul doesn't get, the figure would easily be millions per delegate. It may seem like we raised a lot and spent a lot, but it's nothing compared to what was spent to convince the sheep to vote for Hillary, Barack, and McCain. There is no way to win with the deck stacked that bad, but we have made a good start, and we have to build on what we've started.
I wonder if any of McCain's people are being paid!
?
this is second time today
this is second time today I've seen similar suggestion of this ILLEGAL activity. How 'bout you folks FLAG this junk and stop replying on it!!!
Do you have a law you can reference to show this is illegal?
The people are paid as campaign workers until they become delegates. If there is a conflict with their state law after that, then they go to volunteer status.
PS - I'm sure the trolls don't like any kind of plan they think might actually work to win!
Precisely. Doesn't Dr. Paul tell us
that if you subsidize something, you get more of it?
Yeap an example of grassroots activity in a
a free market!
Does anyone realize
Does anyone realize what we are talking about here. Your talking about "hiring" delegates. This has to be a sort of ethical violation. The media could spin this kind of behavior all night long. It stinks to me, and I would ask you to provide me with proof that this is a legal/ethical practice.
If there is a conflict in any state, here's the way it's handled
The people are only paid as campaign workers for one month or until they become delegates.
If there is a conflict after they become a delegate, then they go to volunteer status.
Of course with all of the money that the campaign has, I think they should be very generous and pay expenses to the convention.
In a battle like this, its all about using every tool you got and making the most of the funds you have to fight with!
if they're going through all the work of becoming delegates
Fortune Favors the Bold
and i know, because I am in the process, they will find a way to the convention. I am sure people will give them rides if that's what it comes down to. There is no need to "pay" delegates. Furthermore, paid people can't be trusted, as we've learned. The special interests we are fighting could easily outbid us if it comes down to that.
That's like saying:
"Here's a gauntlet of difficulties before you. We want you to become a delegate, and it's going to cost you money, time missed from work and family, and navigating an arcane and bureaucratic procedure that is designed to keep you from reaching your goal. But we can't help you out at all. It is all up to you, because we know that as a Ron Paul supporter that are so overly dedicated that you will trod through avalanches and walk over hot coals to be our delegate. So, good luck!"
Of course they can help out delegates financially, and they can also hire campaign workers for the purpose of becoming delegates. Do you think that the people who will show up to vote for McCain are ardent, die-hard true believers in that scumbag? Of course the McCain campaign will be paying their way.
AMEN BROTHER!
You got the hammer on the head!
Well just like hiring for any position, you have to be
carefull when you select people and only hire qualified people.
Also, there are a lot of people who can not take off from work because they need the money. It could be an optional offer, but it would make it financially possible for a lot more people.
It's the magic of the market place, and my friends "IT'S TIME TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX"!
The way I see it....
The cost is about a dollar per awakened american....its the movement silly.
Unfortunately they don't let awakened Americans vote at the
RNC!
You may call me silly, but there are a lot of people
who would like to see RP get elected. And spending $160,000 per delegate is a sign of a loosing strategy!
Hiring 500 campaign workers for a month, to put in the neccessary time to become a delegate, would be a lot better use of campaign funds.
If you paid them $2,000 for a month of work, that wouldn't be but $1,000,000.
$2,000 per delegate, is a whole lot better than the current $160,000 per delegate.
double post
sorry.
Depends... see if doing it YOUR way would require reducing the
$30K per month salary of the campaign staff leaders...
Well, then they would never go for THAT.
Because paying people for campaign is just plain WRONG -- unless their last name is Moore or Snyder, or Hopper, or Dumass (the guy who makes those really GREAT "professional quality" videos of PAID staffers so enthusiastically updating us about the campaign ...by telling the volunteers that the volunteers aren't doing enough).
I agree and That is my point exactly!
If the cost per delegate comes out to be $160,000 per delegate that is a dismal record in anybody's book.
This is a grassroots campaign and I think financing and "watering the grass" is just what the Dr. ordered!
It's the magic of the market place and we all know where RP stands on the free market!
Yeah, but it's NOT going to happen...
Because Synder, Moore & Co are now ALL and ONLY about making sure the remaining money can spread all the way to the convention.
AND MOST IMPORTANT to them is that they each be able to continue to draw THEIR personal salaries and cover THEIR personal expenses.
Which means spending an absolute MINIMUM dollar amount on ANYTHING else, period.
If you are right then RP needs to move some people out.
However, what you are saying could very well be true. May I ask how you are coming by this information?
Analysis of FEC reports.
And field reports on LACK of advertising, plus examination of the candidates schedule of events (if it can be called that), and attempts to contact people at the headquarters (and the *rare* feedback from the campaign to various individuals -- the answers [actually NON-answers] are always vague, indefinite and normally consist of "I don't know" -- never even a "maybe" or a "I think").
Literally, HQ is doing nothing but playing games and blowing smoke.
(BTW, for those who do NOT know, the "precinct leader" program is a one-man operation by a SINGLE grassroots guy -- who is probably still an unpaid volunteer -- and is STILL NOT even listed on the "Contacts" page of the campaign. THAT is how "unplanned" and "unimportant" the whole program actually is to the campaign. Literally, they think it's a way to keep people "busy" and "involved" and "donating.")
Also, if you haven't realized it yet, RP is *not* really in charge of the campaign -- all he is in charge of is LIMITING his appearances & travel -- Snyder and Moore are (and always have been) entirely in charge of the campaign, it's just "using" Ron Paul's name.
Small correction...Precinct Leader "Director" now paid.
He's actually been paid! (Good for him, HE actually deserves to be paid, from my understanding the thing is running on HIS server -- so he's probably covering bandwidth and other things for that cash as well, and HAS been issued "Reimbursement Expenses" $1,172.35, plus an additional $213.40 in travel reimbursement [sounds like one plane ticket, or maybe gas for a long car trip?] ).
Sadly, he was paid only about $5,230.24 for mid-December through January (sorry that's the latest data I have). One would hope that he will have been paid at LEAST a similar amount in February.
So, the whole "program" that is supposedly the basis for the current campaign efforts -- they've spent a whopping Grand Total of ... $ 6,615.99 on to create and run, (plus *maybe* another $6K or so this month).
And we're supposed to SERIOUSLY believe that THAT -- a project by a former grassroots supporter (who does NOT even merit getting his name listed on the campaign staff page) -- and which the campaign has invested almost nothing on ...is now being bandied about as the MAIN strategy that the campaign is placing its hopes on? (While it is still sitting on probably well over $6 MILLION right now.)
Because advertising, you know... "doesn't work"
Yeah Lew, right.
Since you have all of this information maybe you should do a
post asking the grassroots to rate HQ's performance.
A
B
C
D or
F
It would just be "game-spammed" by the Arpy-Sheeple.
So what would be the point.
Most of the SANE supporters (the few still around) don't hang on these boards as much anymore.
Wow pretty shocking!
Where has all the money gone, do you have any general breakdowns?
It's been posted in several places...
If I posted it here it would just get deleted again (only WORSHIPfull Arpy-Sheeple threads are allowed) I'd PM it to you, but looks like you have that shut off...
So here's a link to the analysis on RPF: http://www.ronpaulforums....
Ok
Thanks!
It's losing, not loosing
And I doubt that Ron Paul would endorse paid delegates... he won't take matching funds for the same ideology.
You know RP is a believer in the free market,
so he might just see this as the "magic of the market place"!
Sorry Loosing
They would only be paid one month as campaign workers.
Then if there was a conflict about being paid, they could go to the convention as volounteers.