I'm sure this thread will get me a "troll" label
Fellow Daily Pauler's
First let me clarify that I am NOT a troll. I have supported Dr. Paul from the start, and I will continue to support Dr. Paul as long as he is alive. I have been on the DP for a long time. Now to the good stuff.
Cold hard facts. We don't have the numbers. Now I'll show you why. We have 1679 precint leaders in Texas. In over a year of presidential fury by Dr. Paul, a year of money bombs, debates, primaries, and caucuses, we have a measly 1679 precinct leaders in the whole state of Texas. Hilary Clinton started campaigning in Texas a couple of weeks ago. The first week she picked up 4,000 precinct leaders, and was expected to pick up another 4,000 in another week or so. So in two weeks of campaigning in Texas she probobly picked up around 8,000 precinct leaders, give or take. Hmmmmm let me see......1679 in a little over a year, or 8,000 in two weeks. THAT IS DISGUSTING AND DISPICABLE ON OUR PART!!! It is time for drastic measures folks. Because OBVIOUSLY we are not getting the job done for Dr. Paul. Here is my solution.
Let me break it down for you. OK folks, it's time to face the music. We have got to start getting tough. The fact of the matter is that ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR. We have got to take this latest McCain scandal and run with it BIG time. And to be honest with you, we have got to dig up and use EVERY piece of dirt on ANY of the candidates. People call it dirty politics. Well let me ask you something. If it's true, how can it be dirty? I am all for dragging these scheisters through the mud. Spread every dirty little trick, or under the table crap that they all have their grubby little hands in. We need to organize a grassroots effort of information. I am NOT talking about making things up, or slanderizing people. I am talking about the stuff that the MSM doesn't talk about because it might tarnish their so called "front runners". The scandals, lies, and deciet IS out there. We need to find it, ALL OF IT, and tell the WORLD. If the MSM isn't going to tell the whole truth, then it is up to us to take this nonsense into our own hands.
Remember, it's not dirty politics if it's TRUE!!! Exposing polititians for the frauds, and phonies that they are, IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY!!! We owe it to America, to not let these cheats, and liars run our country. Please, find all TRUE information that you can find about any of the current candidates, and spread it like wildfire!!! Concentrate on McCain first and foremost. Tell the world what a crook he is!!! Ron Paul is counting on you!!! The United States of America is counting on you!!! ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR!!! And let me tell you something folks, this is a WAR!!! A war for our freedom, a war for our liberty, a war for our nations future!!! This is our chance to take America back!!! We cannot let it slip through our fingers!!!
Find any, and all TRUE information that will hurt McCain, and all of the other candidates, and spread it like WILDFIRE!!! Flood message boards, send out mass emails, go into chat rooms, blogspot, facebook, myspace, even other candidates comment sections on their presidential websites, or ANYWHERE ELSE where the info will be seen!!! It is time for drastic measure folks!!! GO, GO, GO!!!
ronpaulisouronlyhope
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Brother
Why would I call you a troll if your message is one of peace and love. Don't look back at the crimes of the cartel in control of America in the past. What are we doing to stop it now?
I've educated everyone I know and keep doing every day. I have never had anyone leave my deep discussion in favor of any other candidate with one exception for Captain Krunch who also committed to RP if he is (and will be - Texas) on the ballot. Democrat or Republican, I bat 1,000. Am I a prophet? Who knows. Who cares. I'm a monkey, an ape. A manimal. You can be too. Open your eyes. I read peoples body language, I can spot who not to talk and who to talk and still always be talking to someone in the crowed. I think my odds would be less with someone of the criminal cartel were in the room with me, but as I would never mean any human any harm for the chemicals in their brains - lest their actions by hand today and tomorrow I'm prepared to convert them to the cause and help them protect their life liberty and fortune. You should be too. This is not many people on the planet.
Well done is better than well said. Presently, I still focus a lot on my job but still find the time to talk to everyone! At one of my monthly meetings the evil US came up as the main topic for 90% of the meeting. Everyone is waking up, this battle of liberty is bigger than America, bigger than one of my personal heroes and role model (and I hope yours) Doctor Ron Paul, bigger than AFRICOM (What the heck do we need a US Military command in Africa for? Bring Malaria back home? No good can come of this.
There is a matrix and we are in it. It is a matrix of deception and lies. We cannot trust our government to take on social programs. Remember, you become what you fight. If you are fighting IF's (sorry, I cannot use Islam word in disrespect even though I do not believe, I respect the true prophets who know God and the holy spirit and want to reduce the size of Government and to lead their lives by living examples - same as Christians who I would never refer to as CF's)... Et. al. Ad infinitum. Etc... Brothers and sisters are we not? From Anarchist to Rabbi, Atheist to Priest. Pathetic to Pious. Cynic to Inman. We are brothers and sisters than only want peace. What in the HELL are our leaders doing?
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
ummm..
WHile I am in no position to doubt your allegiance to RP, I believe you are not following the mathimatical 'laws of political average"(LOPA). Yes, HC might have gotten 4K PL in two weeks...However, perhaps ony 10%, if that many, will actually get off the couch and stop watching Oprah long enough to canvass for her...4K PL times 10% equal 400. Whereas, RP PL are batting around 75% (in my state)...I'm too sleepy to calculate, but I do believe RP will have more active people than the she-beast. Eh, as far as expectations on HC's side, don't count'em till they are counted. Know what I mean? Well, goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the Clinton bugs bite.
lol
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
You're assuming a higher ACTIVE rate by RP people.
And sadly, that is NOT what we have seen in our meetups.
We get the same 10% active rate that all other volunteer orgs do. (Sad, but true -- we have LOTS of vocal fan-boys, but few hands willing to do actual work).
Even if (and its a big IF) the RP ratio is 3 times normal (say 30% actually complete their precincts) -- then that would give us maybe 500 actual "laborers in the fields" -- roughly the same as HRC at a 10% ratio.
So I wouldn't count on it.
"First let me clarify that I
"First let me clarify that I am NOT a troll." - ronpaulisouronlyhope
"I'm NOT a crook" - Nixon
Saying you're not a troll doesn't really do much. :) Just let your words do the talking man... you seemed fired up, that's a good thing!
For Obomba, Billary and Huckster, start here: 10 Most Wanted
http://www.judicialwatch....
Washington's 10 Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians for 2007
All three made the list.
Hillary still has a chance to win
If Dr. Paul had 60% of the delegates needed to win and was leading in Texas, he would also be signing up as many precinct leaders as he needed. We would all be flocking to Texas and Ohio just like we did to Iowa and New Hampshire. There are no more precinct leaders because most of the supporters have left the building.
It's wonderful that some of you are committed for the long haul, but you ask too much to expect the majority of the people who were attracted to Paul to do so. They were political neophytes, independents, or politically apathetic. And guess what? Now they are political cynics, independents, or politically apathetic. Or Obama supporters.
The campaign had a tough job riding the unexpected tidal wave of support, but unfortunately they failed miserably at converting that to a movement that people still want to associate with after the nomination is decided. If Dr. Paul had gotten respectable percentages and media coverage, it would be different. He could go back to Congress and be listened to, like McCain after 2000 or like Romney or Huckabee will be now. But 5% is a footnote. It just cements the fringe label on the campaign. Even the money bombs are swamped by Obama's recent fundraising and are forgotten.
Don't be angry with me for stating the obvious. The folks who have left DP quietly most likely agree.
Cop-Out my friend
While I am not going to jump all over you for stating your opinion, like so many DPer's do, I am just going to simply say that if you TRULY support something, if you believe in it with ALL your heart, then you NEVER stop, you never quit, you never surrender. If everyone thought the way you think, we may still be speaking with a brittish accent, and Abraham Lincoln would have never been elected. But movements need doubters, because it just makes the TRUE believers fight all that much harder.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
Good
Good thoughts
www.politicallore.com
Why not work with the veterans who are targeting McShame
at http://www.gopteaparty.co... and http://www.vietnamveteran...
They probably have more dirt than we could find elsewhere. Since his main claim to fame is his "war hero" status, let's go after that myth. He's a mean, crazy, evil SOB from the depths of hell. Time to bring him down.
Let the GOP die in peace
OMG, let's elect McCain...the Vietnam vet that was supposedly tortured, and did 30 propaganda video's against America who's father was an Admiral and who calls Asian people Gooks. Want me to go on?? This is a man who is mentally tortured and has a personal vendetta against the Middle Eastern and Asian people and who's only qualification is that he was a POW ( like many others that he refused to find in Vietnam when he was a Congressman)
This is the GOP selection for our PRESIDENT OF OUR UNITED STATES.
Good grief all of you. McCain has only one goal in life and that is to destroy the enemy...whether they are real or in his mind. He has NO concept of anything as far as economics, foreign affairs, welfare, etc etc but he was a POW so he should be President of the US because he is twisted and has Post Tramatic Stress Disorder??? You really want this man running our country??
After the press asked him about Fidel Castro resigning McCains comment was "We need to go after and find that Cuba interrogator that tortured my friends in Vietnam and destroy him!" Does this not scare you?? That dude is probably dead and to think that this is McCains priority?? If McCain wins, then I want NOTHING to do with this country because it scares the hell out of me and for Dr Paul to say that he wants to stay in the GOP and the Conservative party also scares me because the GOP is DEAD!
Ever seen the choice, work at McD for minimum wage or sell dope
Well the numbers drive a heck of a lot more to sell dope on the street corner than work for minimum wage at MickeyD. The same thing applies here.
Work for freedom at indirect benefit to yourself, or work for the kingdom and hope to gain a position at court. The incentive encourages people to grovel at the feet of potential kings rather than to carry the banner of freedom.
This has been an nice exercise in testing the depth of the remnant, and the results are clear. We are still just the deviants beyond the third standard deviation, nothing more than a statistical aberration. There will be no peaceful revolution based on rational thought. Ultimately, there will be revolution, but it will be spawned by economic disintegration, and will just as likely be lead by tyrants as libertarians.
I have no good suggestion.
face it folks
from a purely statistical viewpoint we are not going to win at the Rnc
unless something very drastic occurs.
so with that cheery thought in mind why ask dr Paul to be someone he's not?
and if we are representing his ideals it ill behooves us to act like fools and start slinging mud.
Personally I'm amazed we've gotten this far. We've made a good start and woken up a lot of people this time around.
let's keep it clean and get dr Paul re-elected in his district and then see what happens.
peace.
How is it slinging mud?
How is calling someone on something they DID slinging mud? Your logic is flawed.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
Did you
consider it slinging mud when the MSM ran with the newsletters? They exist and certainly made us all...uncomfortable...mostly with the fact that someone would take advantage of Dr. Paul that way, but he probably should have been on the ball. So if you were angry with the MSM for making time with that then you would have to be angry with yourself for pushing issues in an obvious smear attempt, regardless of the truth of the tale. Its a matter of principle. We don't stoop. We debate with logic and understanding and attempt to make people see the truth of the situation, not the personal failings of someone.
Once again your logic is flawed.
Those letters did go out, and his name was all over them. We all know he didn't write them. But he SHOULD have payed closer attention. And to be honest with you, I remember that being in the MSM for like a second. Dr. Paul admitted he should have been more on the ball, and it dissapeared. And no, I was not upset about it, because I thought Dr. Paul handled it with class. It is NEVER wrong to call someone on something that they DID. And McCain is a crook, and CANNOT, at all costs, be allowed to run our great country into the ground.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
The only
flawed logic I'm seeing is you making the assumption that the majority of America cares about the "Keating 5" or McCain's captivity. You're talking about the same people that re-elected Bush and are often heard saying "its time we take care of Iran". For some of these folks nothing you say will make a difference and for others only consistent sweet-reason will break through. Negative campaigning doesn't seem to work in Presidential elections, at least not this time around.
Problem is, we don't have a lot of time. The country will
be destroyed completely in another 4 years. I still think RP should run 3rd party as Libertarian, Constitution, etc. A fusion ticket of all willing 3rd parties. There's a lot more at stake here than party loyalty. We are talking about the future of the country, and maybe of humanity. Dr. Paul is the only one who can change the course. The GOP obviously wants nothing to do with saving the country. They are totally sold out. Bought and paid for. They don't even care if they lose the election. As long as RP is not elected. Why should we have any loyalty to them? It is beyond me. I'm trying to figure out what other country I can move to. If RP is not the next POTUS, it will be time to lock and load and head for the hills. Or wait for them to come take your ass to a FEMA camp.
The problems are much
bigger than the GOP. Until 7 of 10 Americans are aware of and understand the issues facing the country and the world (and actually give a damn beyond their day job and keeping their own life together) we all face an uphill battle. I certainly don't advise ignoring your personal protection, but running to the hills won't help US. We need to educate people of all ages. We need to indoctrinate our youth to public service, showing them that personal sacrifice is a requirement for a healthy country and that civil disobedience is where you start, not "locking and loading". The 2nd Amendment is the final choice because it will mean real sacrifice on the part of some, liberally watering the roots of the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I would much rather bleed on it with skinned knees from stumbling instead of truly falling.
Hey you. You wanna be a TROLL too?
Just kidding. I agree with you, but that kind of talk is frowned upon here.
You are a TROLL.
Thats what you wanted right?
I read about half of your thread until I saw the negative crap. More of the same. Boring. I thought this movement was different.
I'm glad you're fired up, man.
There is more to this
There is more to this besides the presidency!! Get moving folks this is about being grassroots in all of our local precincts about policy.
am i missing something here?
you are saying 1600 some odd precinct leaders,,,,,HQ shows over 16000, thats a big difference.........
my mistake
im tired, yes thats right.......however as of 9;30 we do have total of 18890 precinct leaders
He's talking about TEXAS only -- in TEXAS they have approx 1600
Because TEXAS is the only state (or is it a "Region"? Mark?) that matters.
The rest of the country is worthless.
Sign up to be a precinct officer!
Please!!
Just get to all the meetup groups and get them to sign up to become
precinct officers!
This is what is needed.
Please go to the website and do it!!
http://voters.ronpaul2008...
Become a Precinct Leader
Donate to the Campaign
I think the Trans Texas Corridor would be a great
issue to address and use to point out the significant differences and how A leads to B leads to C leads to no more USA.
I don't think you're a troll.
The Way to WIN TEXAS
Is to target those opposed to the NAFTA super highway and then work your way outwards.
I cant see how any Texan would vote for anyone other than Paul.
Previously known as DCALIFANO
Yeah but
Hillary is probably PAYING for those 8,000 precinct leaders.
You ARE aware that HRC *pays* her precinct people, right?
THAT is how you get 4,000 people quickly -- you toss them just $50 or $100 or so. (4,000 x $100 = $400,000).
Works wonders!
Fully Aware
And that just furthers my point. It's time to start playing hardball.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
But you are MISSING my point.
Other campaigns do things to ENCOURAGE support.
OUR campaign staff gets out a whip and complains that WE aren't doing enough FOR the campaign.
Other campaigns ADVERTISE and have a candidate that ACTUALLY does events to meet voters AND supporters in small venues -- multiple ones EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Out campaign "skips" entire states... thinks that advertising "doesn't work" -- has a candidate with 3 or 4 events in a fortnight... and then bitches that WE are the problem.
Sorry, doesn't cut it. You can't be "running" for office and then NOT bother to advertise or do retail campaigning... you're either IN or you're not.
Yeah...
... you can do alot of encouraging and advertising when you have $100 million plus to spend over an entire year.
Dr. Paul only had $28 million to spend over 3 months.
Time and money is a big difference.
Hillary - $100 million; Dr. Paul $28 million
Hillary - over 1 year ; Dr. Paul 3 months
Do the math. HQ made some mistakes. They had to act SUDDENLY when the money came in in Q4 2007. HIllary and Obama were up an running Q1 2007 -- 9 months prior. Plus they were already both nationally known. Dr. Paul is STILL "Dr. who?".
HQ hasn't been perfect... but they deserve a break. Quit blaming them for everything. HQ got the national infrastructure in place and was field-testing ads in about TWO MONTHS.
Waaa Waaa we didn't get $100 Million Waa Waaa
I am quite frankly sick and tired of this BS line that they didn't have enough money to work with.
MOST of Hilary's $100 Million was WASTED on expensive Charter Airlines, Highly Paid "Political Consultants", expensive hotels & etc. (Same with Rudy, Romney & McCain's money as well).
By END of December, they all had LESS money left than the Ron Paul Campaign had left. Yet they ALL did FAR more with the money they had at that time than the Ron Paul campaign has EVER done.
HQ does NOT deserve a "break" -- HQ deserves to be held accountable... remember that little word that is supposed to be CENTRAL to this whole effort? If HQ has spent the money RESPONSIBLY, then where is their "report" on HOW they spent the money?
They didn't make a few minor mistakes, they ballocksed the whole thing.
By the way... that $12 Million dollar goal "to WIN" -- it was never a goal with a real "plan" behind it -- it was a number they pulled out of their _ _ _ and put out there almost as a joke (don't believe me? Hear it from Jon Bydlak's own snarky commentary: http://www.youtube.com/wa... ...and get more nice little revelations here: http://www.youtube.com/us... ).
Maybe you could go take some
Maybe you could go take some math and economics classes?
;-)
You know, a smart-aleck comment only convinces fools.
I am an experienced business and database analyst.
I have used my skills, downloaded the raw FEC data of SEVERAL campaigns and brought them into my own database system for aggregate and detailed analyzes.
I am not "speculating" how much each campaign had on hand at any given time, I *KNOW* when they logged receipts and when they paid expenses -- to the day, and to the penny, and have even graphed the results to see what the remaining balances were.
Have you, fartmuncher, done any of that? Or are you just spouting nonsense and thinking it makes you look smart?
Have you researched media ad
Have you researched media ad costs? Why would you pull up raw data into your "own database system"? Wouldn't it be quicker in a spreadsheet? I have 17 years UNIX/SQL client-server development experience. I would definitely go spreadsheet for quick and dirty. Are you using something like Crystal Reports? What database did you use? Postgres, MySQL, DB2, Oracle? Doing math in raw SQL is a pain and unwieldy
It takes $2 million per average state for a BASIC media ad campaign. Using your elite knowledge explain the math of $28 million divided by 50 states keeping in mind the cost of initial campaign staffing and other "ramping-up" costs..
Also, you seem to ignore or brush over the fact that the campaign only had 2-3 months compared to more than a year for the other candidates.
And yes, I have done quite a bit of analysis on this subject....
=)
Actually you haven't. You've done "speculation" NOT the same.
The 4th Qtr FEC report for the RP campaign alone is 11.5 Mb as a *.csv flat file, and contains 45,600 records.
Only someone who has NEVER looked at those files would attempt to load that (not to mention the other quarters and the other campaigns' datum) and do analysis in a spreadsheet.
Silly rabbit. Analyzing and getting totals on nearly a million records from a dozen campaigns would NOT be quicker in a "spreadsheet." And one is not "doing math" in SQL but rather getting aggregate totals on categorized data from the different campaigns (much easier in a DB). The fact that you can mention a couple of DB names does not impress me (CR? HA! Crystal is for secretaries, not serious work) -- nor does your spreadsheet fixation make any sense (Excel? blech -- please it is 2008, get out of the 1980's already).
As far as YOUR infinite knowledge of how campaigns need $100 Million and an entire YEAR? ...Then based on that "assumption," explain how in the heck Huckabee is doing so well? Divine Intervention? Or for that matter, McCain. He had to stretch himself getting a few measly $1 million and $2 million dollar loans (and HIS big $50 Million of money was all spent [wasted actually] early in 2007, basically all gone by July) -- yet he also did very well (BOTH of those campaigns making multiple new commercials, buying airtime, running attack ads, etc -- all in very fast turn-time ...and with far LESS cash or staff than the RP campaign).
And NONE of the campaigns has had to advertise in all 50 states... (we still have nearly 20 left to go).
We deluded ourselves into thinking that because Ron runs his congressional office frugally, he will run the campaign in a similar fashion. The problem with that is that it assumes Ron is actually RUNNING the Presidential campaign -- in point of fact, he is not, and never really has -- he completely delegated the actual operation and decision making on the P Campaign to Kent Snyder and Lew Moore, and THEY haven't a clue as to what they are doing (they will never admit it, but the data shows it to be true).
I understand that you "love" the Ron Paul campaign -- but that DOESN'T mean you should leave your brain at the door and swallow whole everything the campaign's managers feed you.
I *REALLY* wanted this thing to succeed too. I made $500 donations several times starting April 1, 2007 -- and finally maxed out in early October. Plus I run 3 meetups, canvassed 3 precincts in my county (actually my entire rural township), encouraged a LOT of other people to donate, and developed and ran TWO websites with FREE resources for the grassroots to use (http://www.infiniteronpau... and http://www.manofcommonsen...), plus a host of other things (DVD masters, etc., etc.)
So I have been heartbroken that the campaign has failed. (Make no mistake, it has failed -- it is NOT that the message was rejected, the campaign FAILED to get the message out).
But in late January, I did not know that yet... were the sheeple REALLY rejecting Ron Paul? What was the root cause? And was there still reason for hope? The MSM kept repeating that RP had $20 Million on hand (not true) and then there was the nearly "endless" speculations of what the campaign would DO with all that money (the rumors of the BIG media buys for Feb 5th, etc.) well -- I went digging to find out the TRUTH (speculation is all kinds of fun -- cold hard data is much better for post-mortem work). The 4th Qtr data became available on Feb 1st and I found myself unwilling (indeed unable) to wait the several days, possibly weeks (which would mean AFTER Feb 5th) to look at the results on OpenSecrets and the FEC "reports" (or worse, the brain-dead media's so called "analysis") -- so download the raw data it was. (And since the formats are standardized, once you have one quarter's worth in your DB, you may as well grab the rest. Grabbing a second campaign [Huck] means you may as well grab the others for comparison and contrast as well. The same scripts -- import AND analysis -- can be used on virtually all of the data... so why not).
And what I discovered with the data (and worse with the recent smarmy J Bydlak "lecture") -- well, it pisses me off.
Because what is so sickening is that the cash AND the hard work and resourceful efforts of hundreds and thousands of people have been and are STILL being squandered by the very arrogant, incompetent idiots that RP has left in charge (the data says they are idiots and liars, the VIDEOS say they are smarmy, disdainful and disrespecting of the donors and supporters), and the blame is being laid alternately on the grassroots supporters, or on "media bias" and THAT DISGUSTS ME -- it's CYA of the worst sort -- because the data tells a significantly DIFFERENT STORY.
And seeing nothing but the childlike "trust the campaign -- we need to get them more money" when they have failed every previous test (and the campaign leaders themselves ADMIT on video [see above] that they never HAD a real plan or money goals -- that in fact, THEY didn't do the math you're expecting, they just pulled numbers out of thin air, and LAUGH about that now.) THAT bothers me... it means WORSE heartbreak is yet to come (when the current speculative round of hope gets squashed again).
IMHO, if the campaign managers TRULY had the campaign's best interests at heart, they would have stepped aside or down BEFORE Iowa and New Hampshire (when they already KNEW those states were lost -- that's the REAL reason Ron did do last minute campaigning), and definitely they should have stepped down AFTER NH and brought someone ELSE aboard -- Instead, based on their past and current actions, they will continue their clueless ways (basically abandoning campaigning now), and cast about for ways to lay the blame for failure on ANYONE else they possibly can, rather than actually take responsibility themselves to make REAL changes.
That is not ethical. That is not integrity. That is not worthy of a "break" -- nor of anything but ridicule. (Snyder and Moore should be ashamed and publicly apologize, they should have done so months ago.)
...um...
...so, we should not just go out and volunteer to be delegates...
...instead, the money we send to the campaign...
...should be directed by the campaign...
...so that the campaign can spend money on us...
...to go be delegates.
???
No, but what I AM saying is that other campaigns have staff
people who do ACTUAL WORK and who ACTIVELY go out and SEEK OUT people to become precinct leaders, equip them (paying them small amounts to compensate for costs & expenses etc if necessary), as well as train them, supply them with materials (instead of making their supporters order and PAY for materials) etc.
They make certain they THANK THEM (immediately, personally instead of via "batch email" and via phone and in person, making certain those people get "favors" photos with the candidate when the candidate comes to town [which of course, requires the candidate to actually visit the other states]) etc., etc.
Supporters of OTHER candidates actually get something BACK other than sneers and snobbish attitudes from their campaign staff. Other campaign staff people actually WORK at communicating with their supporters and campaign workers...
Instead of sitting on their fat, bald asses in an office (NOT returning phone calls, NOT replying to emails, and NOT doing much of F'ing anything other than complaining about how not enough people are volunteering to do the work the campaign finally decided to vocalize 3/4 of the way through via a really shitty, depressing, monotone video.)
That's what I'm saying.
No I'm not.
It sounds like to me my friend that you have given up hope, and no longer support the campaign. I see your point entirely. But I could not DISAGREE with you more.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
Nope, my point is that the "campaign" has simply QUIT
everywhere outside of Texas.
Everyone OUTSIDE of Texas is beginning to finally realize this. The self-delusion scales are dropping from everyone's eyes, and they are SAD, FRUSTRATED, and even ANGRY about it... but they are finally realizing that outside of Texas (and cyberspace), there is NO EVIDENCE that the candidate and the "official" campaign even exists.
They went "poof" and disappeared.
And you know this
because??????
Let me add to this I saw
Let me add to this I saw first hand how this campagin has been run. I hate to say this but I just don't think RP really wanted to be President as much as getting the message out. He just didn't seem hands on with his staff. If it was my campagin and I was not getting the media attention I would be brain storming with my staff on how to turn this around with other methods, He had enough money. He still does and what is he doing with it. I have been saying all along that everything has been left totally to the grassroots. I went to our state convention as a delegate and RP had no one there to represent him and speak about his message to 3000 delegates, Huckabees wife was there and Mccain had a video on a big screen talking about himself. His campagin has been very amateurish.Our state coodianator did not do much and I have heard other people in my meetup are discussed with the way things were run. The top guy who started our meetup seems very disheartend by this campagin. We can put the blame on others but RP was the captain of this ship and should have been at the head of the wheel. I love Dr Paul and will not quit the fight for this cause, but I truly have not seen the fight in Dr Paul to be our next President. I hope in the next months something will change but it may be to late. There have been many missed opportunities in this campagin.
Rationalize all you want friend
Your comments are not conducive to helping the campaign. It is negativity, and wasted energy. It's ALL OR NOTHING. You either support the campaign, or you don't. There is no middle. I'm sure you would do much better as Ron Paul's campaign manager. Why don't you write HQ an email telling them how you would fix the campaign. Everyones an expert.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
This campaign goes NOWHERE as long as Snyder and Moore
are in charge and making the decisions.
It's over, done, dead in the water -- they're just winding it down and drawing out their salaries.
And I know where you are mentally -- I;ve been there and done that -- you are the one who is rationalizing and engaging in self-delusion.
And there is no point in writing HQ or calling HQ -- there is nobody home in the sense of being receptive to ANYTHING -- and most days there is LITERALLY no one there anymore (other than the receptionist).
LMAO!
The campaign does not need people like you pal. Take your negativity somewhere else. You simply do not get it.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
Oh, just go drink your Kool-Aid.
.
Your logic amazes me.
Enough said.
ronpaulisouronlyhope
I've read some of your other
crap and you seem to be in a very small minority here.
Why is is it that you spend so much of your time spewing negativity.
Rhetorical question.
Right on the money. The
Right on the money. The nice guy routine hasn't gotten us anywhere and the fact that Ron Paul is as clean as it gets makes it even more of an open season on these traitorous, morally bankrupt, criminals that are the competition.