WHO was the FIRST Fascist President of the U.S.??????

but centralized, dictatorial power and rule of men over the rule of law. In that regard, I'd have to say it's a toss up between Adams and Lincoln with a lean toward Lincoln...

with the Alien and Sedition Acts. Of course, there's also Washington, with his "Whiskey Rebellion". Old "Honest Abe," however, was the best at obscuring it. What's really funny are the environventalists that love Abe. All they need to do is go to Harper's Ferry to see the century and a half results of Abe's handiwork.

Instigator of the notion of America as world police; Federal Reserve Act; WWI; Federal Income Tax.

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honest abe

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Fascism = the linking of corporate and federal interests to impose force.

The South didn't rise up just to protect their unique "institutions", but also for the right to trade with Europe on their own terms. i.e., the States. Because the North forced heavy tariffs on imported industrial goods from Europe, Southern buyers were forced to purchase Northern made industrial goods instead. If not for the federally mandated import duties, the Southern states could have traded directly with the Europeans. So the South rebels for many reasons, this one included, and Lincoln harnesses the industrial power of the North to put down the Southern insurrection.

Sounds fascist to me. But then by this example all wars are fascist, aren't they?

Who was the most patriotic President?

Andrew Jackson for breaking up the 2nd National Bank of the US (soooo relevant today...)? Of course he wasn't much of a states rights advocate and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous people doesn't sit too well either.

the better question.

Fascism, Socialism, Communism... it's all semantics. The differences in the details are so minute as to hardly be worth discussion.

The problems facing our country and our government are the exact same problems man has faced since the beginning of time. It's the age-old struggle between those currently in control of the resources (or who want it badly enough to kill for it) versus those who are not.

Whether it be dynasty, monarchy, oligarchy, dictator, Ceasar, fuerher, pharoah, king, emperor, potentate or president... it's ALWAYS about the few controlling the many. The only thing that changes is the addition of slight "tweeks" to the methodology. The endgame however, is always the same.

The NWO-types... nothing new there. Same shit-different century. Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Nazis, Communists... it's all been tried a hundred times (and eventually failed with the passing of a few generations). All we're witnessing is the "current crop" of Pharoah wannabe's. It seems like a crisis because this is the generation in which WE'RE living... but it ain't nothing new. (I guess if I were a Rothschild and worth ~$40 Trillion, I might become delusional and start thinking I owned the world as well!) They'll eventually die just to be replaced by a new generation of "leaders" for us to resist. Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.

If the Founding Fathers were alive today (God bless 'em), they would be branded as anarchists and immediately thrown in jail. The American experiment and our Constitution was about recognizing the Sovereignty and Self-Determination of Individuals. This Principle transcends one man or an entire generation of men. It's a battle that's been waged upon We the People for eons and it will continue to be fought for as long as there are two or more on the planet.

Facism (hard or soft) is nothing new. It's guiding principles are just a (relatively) new name for the same tired old stuff of domination and oppression for the benefit of the (current) ruling class.

Whenever you hear the Elites say, "Let 'em eat cake", you'll know that we're just about home.

May God Please Bless Ron Paul. He seems to be the only man left in Washington that remembers what America is supposed to be about.

Man, you beat me to it! Luckily we had Jefferson to right the wrongs of Adams.

only woke up to all this after Clinton with his Elian, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Eschelon, China Missles type stuff.

Then learned about Lincoln and FDR. Then LBJ and Wilson. Wierd how that brought me to Bush/Clinton again.

Our battle isn't against flesh and blood.

My only choice will be to write in Dr. Paul.

although that act was un-American, it was not typical of his behavior, it was an exception. By the time you get to Woody Wilson, FDR, and Dubya, those kind of things are their modus operandi.

but Lincoln was the first tyrant. He essentially ended the constitutional republic.

Others, like Adams as have been pointed out, gave things a go, a try, but didn't get too far.

Lincoln turned it into high gear, FDR into overdrive. After that it was all coasting compared to those two.

Alien and Sedition Acts

Sorry. this hardcore neocon apologist and Dick Cheney fan club member/loyal jackboot-licker, Jonah Goldberg, has no credibility in my eyes.

If he wants to talk about FDR and fascism, talk about the unsuccessful fascist coup attempt by Prescott Bush (W's grandaddy).

"We don't have to start a brand new revolution...All we have to do is restore the original Constitution." -Ron Paul

People's opinion's here are as diverse as their perception, education, and lives. We can all learn from History and each other!

The point here being; things happening today are not much different than the past. "meet your new boss, same as the old boss".

What we do have here today in a bonified, bloodless r3VOLution.

It's easier to make a difference once you understand the problem, and the power of the pen (aka computer) and ease of sending letters (emails) to our elected officials will allow more transparency.

We have all the news and information at the click of our web browser! Dig, never stop working, never live in fear, and never give up! They win only if you live in fear.

Also remember, "they" never could have imagined the internet - let alone its power for the people.

Lincoln for suspending Habeus Corpus, ( and the beginning of a tax on labor) second, LBJ third , W , hopefully last.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

I'd have to go with Woodrow. Interesting question.

It was a condition of employment. The first income tax on the general population was in 1895 when Cleveland was president. It was later found to be unconstitutional. This led to the 16th amendment.

John Adams was the first to try with the sedition act. Unlike today, though, people were outraged and voted him out of office.

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If he truly did have something (??) to do with the murder of JFK -- that's put him at the top of the list, followed later by GHWB (former CIA chief and 'influencial' VP behind the ailing Ronald Reagan). But what do I know? Nothing more than I read and/or am told.

With out a doubt Woodrow Wilson

Forcing an illegal income tax on the labor and wages of working people was a true facist act.

And Dick Cheney

(Or was it the "League"? )

I'm far from a history buff.
But since I see the UN as the largest and most evil force driving everything, while it uses the religious influence (read: bullying) of the Vatican to give it more "credibility" and thus making it harder to thwart, my short answer is FDR.
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