*Explanation Please* Inverted (Occult?) Stars on Am.Flag at Clinton Rally?
Posted February 25th, 2008 by delorus
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Please check it out and let me know your thoughts. The photos are about 1/3 down the page. Does anyone have an explanation for this other than freemasonry, occult, new world order...
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I know,
it was the reptoids. Let's keep the conversation to what we can actually prove and then discuss rather than going off on nonsensical tangents.
And Look At What You Just Did -- For Shame, For Shame!
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To ROKDEVIL
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Very well stated (your reply below) and I want to write and say I agree with what you say -- most everything in that reply of yours.
There's something troubling me, however, and that's your reference to HBILLARY being a witch // Has anyone called her that?
Perhaps you're under the impression that these symbols [and such] are based inside the clouded and confused pictures we all share as regards witchcraft // well, yeah, maybe so to some degree -- I believe it may be that to some degree but also believe the same goes far deeper in substance than some old crone wearing a pointed hat and riding a broomstick over the cornfield with a full moon in the backdrop. Far deeper; closer to satanic worship than what I would consider a few evil-eyed spells or love potions No. 9 (if you get my meaning me saying that).
Not so much HBILLARY as a witch but those evil doers that practice this as a religion (for lack of a better term). If you think this still belongs in that cornfield aforementioned -- see this:
Bohemian Grove
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
-- (and this) --
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
-- (edited to add, one more for good measure) --
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Yes, as some other posters have stated
Yes, as some other posters have stated, the inverted star or pentacle is an occult and Masonic symbol representing Baphomet, or the Goat of Mendes. It is uncertain what Baphomet actually is, but it is said that the Knights Templar revered it. The OES, an American organization of Co-Masons use it as their symbol. It may also represent Lucifer as a star that fell from heaven. It contains the effigy of a goat’s head. It also contains a spearhead that is sacred to Rosicrucians and Priory of Sion.
You may see this inverted star over the left shoulder of some of the candidates. McCain recently, and oddly enough Dr. Paul when he was on the Daily Show, with John Stewart. (I don't think Dr. Paul had anything to do with this, I think it was the Daily Show's doing.)
You may also notice a trend that the blue field of the American Flag will become darker as we descend into oppression. Maybe this is a wrong idea, but I think that if a Liberty candidate could get into office they probably should fly the “Flag of Peace”, for the beginning of their term in office. It has a white field and blue stars, and the vertical red and white stripes like the Coast Guard flag. I believe Joyce has mentioned the "Flag of Peace" on her program. The news networks have also been changing the colors of their background from red, white and blue to orange, white and UN blue. This is from Sol Invictus, or “Sun Worship”, and it means, “Dawn of the New Age”. I think Joyce Riley first brought up the color change as well.
There certainly are many secret societies; there was even an Anti-Masonic political party that was extremely popular in the late 19th century. I bet there are even some Masons in the Libertarian Party, probably some of the same people telling you that you are not allowed to post this.
The Inverted Star is a Satanic Symbol used In Freemasonry
The upside down star represents the Satanic sign for Baphomet. There is a great website on the web that explains all of this info in an e-book that is free to download. Here's the link http://www.amerocasnewwor... and email this website link to your friends and family.
If people want to have fun
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Talking about symbolism and such, that's cool, but honestly reading these posts, from the perspective of someone who was coming here looking for info, this makes us look insane.
I agree - of course - this
I agree - of course - this has hurt the RP candidacy. I wonder actually if they arent from another camp here to further the 'nuts' reputation the media has about RP supporters.
So say it again: TROLLS
Flag please - help us rid the compaign of these nuts - they are using the RP platform to further other causes. In that way they are thieves. If what they are saying is so popular they should build their own web siote and see if anyone goes there. But no they steal space and bandwidth from normal people - they are out and out THIEVES.
FLAG AND BAN this entire thread, please
Mayberry
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Understand, some people are conspiracy theorists or like to speculate about conspiracies. Banning them is not in our interest. This is just creating more division. It is better to discuss things like public perception. Over time, the trolls and moles will reveal themselves.
See my reply to Mayberry
See my reply to Mayberry below, it's equally applicable to your post.
I agree there are conspiracies
Fortune Favors the Bold
But you also have to understand there will be disinfo shills. They are using a few tactics.
1. Disruption. Trying to create arguments and division.
2. Disinformation. Posting inaccurate info to waste our time and confuse us.
3. Public perception- This would include trying to bring out the wackier conspiracies, the racism issue, and the 9/11 truth controversy.
Be aware. Our enemies are smart.
JohnGalt - defining shills?
Sorry, John, if you are for real, but turn about is fair play. Since you've defined "shill" by the tactics illustrated in your 3 points:
Arguments and division are normal among individuals who share differing beliefs on different subjects. The presence of disagreement is not indicative of covert operatives in the camp. It is indicative that there are different people with different beliefs that are bound together by a common purpose - support for Ron Paul and more specifically support for the core of what he stands for. The presence of some controversy on side issues doesn't diminish the overall unity on the core subject matter.
It's also a natural outgrowth of individuals of different persuations excersising their free speech.
There is perhaps some of this going on - but it assumes that the people doing it are knowingly doing so. Perhaps there are some that are. And perhaps people get excited and/or make mistakes. On some subjects, things are not so black and white - and "disinformation" is in the eye of the beholder.
On the issue of "911 truth" I was disappointed that RP encouraged his "truther" supporters to be silent in their belief. Why should we? I suggest to you that a good deal of people who are not ready to exit the fantasy land of the official 911 story are not ready to enter the reality of the radical changes that RP stands for.
We know the media connects RP with people they don't like, such as the "truthers". We also know that the media hasn't been giving RP a fair shake.
Why should we pander to the MSM? If public perception of RP is wholly dependant on the MSM - as it would be (or mostly be) without the Internet - Ron Paul wouldn't have the kind of support he does have.
And despite what the MSM may indicate - there are a heck of alot of people...in the tens of millions(at least) just in the USA, who do not swallow the official story - so I submit to you that "being quiet" about what one may believe about 911 is not neccessarily endangering "public perception" - as if that were already determined.
In summary, I find your 3 tactics (especially 1 and 3) less than satisfactory for defining and identifying "shills". They do lend themselves to a rather collectivist tone, however.
People who care about what is going on will look at what Ron Paul has to say about the *ISSUES*. If the country is indeed dominated by idiots who give more weight to other issues, such as RP's supposed racist rantings - then the country is already f*cked.
JOHNGALT300 --I Agree With Your 1, 2, 3
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But it seems to me that YOU & some Poster calling themself MAYBERRY are the only two wishing to create argument and division here in this thread. The others of us are exchanging thoughts -- you're the guys arguing // are you not.
And I don't know of anything that's been posted that's inaccurate info (as you say) to waste your time and confuse you. The facts are there in plain sight, you choose not to see them. In fact you wish to argue them. Your points exactly.
Exactly what I was going to say
Why aren't we flagged into a black hole already? Because it's just the two of them...at least right now.
And every time you guys reply, the thread gets moved to the top of the active list. What are you really trying to accomplish here?
DavidG
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Has been posting inaccurate info. Track him and you will see. I am just trying to make a point about public perception.
I admit I could be wrong.
No Problem -- I'm Wrong More Than I'm Right Anyway
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Except I'm right when I say vote RON PAUL because he's the only hope for America. I've said that lots of times and been right each time ;-)
As to this thread being pushed back to the top of the list each time one of us replies -- so what -- no big deal, things move around here quite fast and before you know it // It'll be completely off the page and no one will be even be questioning HBILLARY (how ya like that typo?) and the stars that are upside down on the American flag. Out of sight, out of mind. Just like the psyops game the MSM tries to pull on our hero when they refuse to even mention RP as a viable candidate. Damn it anyway!
JOHNGALT300
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Not sure WHY (??) you'd say folks would think us insane for mentioning the various postings herein // If you're refering to the Illuminati references (which I offered up) -- you should know it's a real organized group. I know we can't always rely upon wiki for facts and figures but it did provide a quick reference to me saying this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
As to the existence of secret organizations such as this -- well, secret organizations do exist. I'm not sure understanding that makes a person insane or not (I think I'll say no in this case). As to the Illuminati -- historically speaking they intended on world domination. Hey, New World Order (NWO) doesn't that sound a bit like world domination? It does to me.
Here listen to someone we all are familiar with in that regard:
GHWB --
(and pay attention to the date, if you will please)
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
BILL CLINTON --
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
My continuing thoughts (insane, I hope not)
Secret organizations do exist
Fortune Favors the Bold
But obsessing over the possible meaning of hand symbols and mis-printed flags is not going to expose them.
Mis-printed Flags (You Say) // I Think It's Not That At All
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What makes you think(?) there is a mis-print happening here? How about something done quite on purpose, and if that is the case -- Why?
And why is it done to 'the flag' of the United States of America?????????
Why?
And why was that same flag used at a HILLARY rally? Huh, please tell us -- Why?
Then
you need to go do some more research.
I hate to agree with mayberry
Fortune Favors the Bold
But couldn't we move this thread to a different section?
Campaign signs
Does the three star flag under her name represent the NAU ??? just wondering..
ps I could not find the pics on this link.??
OMG
Its even in the Congressional Medal of Honor!?!
http://www.cmohs.org/meda...
Its everywhere! We definitely have to alert the country...nay, the world!... to this supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-like threat.
an image of a Babylonian goddess
I am not intending to dishonor CMH winners, but I only wish to comment regarding the design of the CMH; I think that one branch of service had designed a CMH with an image of a Babylonian goddess on the front in the past. That was a common practice of the Masons, the symbolic veneration of a goddess. It is a type of neo-classicism, to tie the modern and ancient worlds together. In fact, many military insignia have a Masonic origin. I don't feel it is proper for me to honor a pagan god, even symbolically, as a Christian.
ROKDEVIL-Thought You Wrong (At First) // But You're Right! OMG
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And that Mary Poppins reference -- great spelling effort there, quite sure I couldn't have done that.
Somehow I don't think you're serious about showing us that MOH -- regardless, it's there too isn't it. Damn!
I wiki'd it.
It would be a new conspiracy if I could actually have spelled that word.
And yes, I was serious about the MOH but very tongue-in-cheek about the "omg" part. I understand that some people simply want to see conspiracies in everything and I suppose that's fine.
Having said that, I also think that there are elements within the supporters of Ron Paul (and for that matter, Dennis Kucinich) who just love to scare themselves silly and think this "revolution thingy is really way cool and can we please have some more ice cream?" Perhaps they are younger than me or something...I don't know. But it bothers me because I am just now starting to grasp the dangers we face and the costs of long-term failure. For me those dangers primarily revolve around the abuse of power and the costs of failure are reduced liberty and a low standard of living. Because of this I worry that things like this post are red herrings. In the grand scope of things and the bright light of the day does anyone honestly believe that Hillary Clinton is a witch? Or that Obama sits and dreams of converting all of America to Islam? Anyone...?
I have a hard time assuming these things when the more likely answer is simple human greed for money or power, the "black sheep red-headed step-child" of "contentment", the basic desire that all humans share to some degree. Even the bastards who engineered 9/11 (assuming it wasn't 20 pissed off fundamentalists who think that virgins are more fun) most likely did it simply to further their own personal power, not because they are sitting around thinking up ways to do evil things. It certainly seems evil to us but I would imagine that many people around the world have found the actions of the US to be "evil", so its mainly a matter of perception. Don't forget, there are people who think that Pearl Harbor was a good thing because it got the citizens of America behind the decision to enter WWII.
So, the question for me isn't "how do we fight the [insert deity-worshipping evil-doers here]". For me the question is "How do we change the system so that it doesn't allow abuse?" because its all a question of abusing power.
And Dr. Paul's answer is perfect: go back to small government and minimal interference.
So how do we accomplish that? My guess is that we have to convince enough people join us, which means convincing them of the sincerity of our views and the truth of our convictions. I feel that its going to be hard to do this when they see us reading tea-leaves and stepping over cracks in the sidewalk. Doesn't matter if we actually get truth from tea leaves and none of us have broken our mother's back. At this point what matters is perception.
Please help stop these
Please help stop these people by flaging and banning them.
They could read the posting guidelines but they'd rather destroy whats left of the RP candidacy by promoting mental iilllness as a substitute for reason.
FLAG PLEASE
A simple reading of the posting guildepines and a Moderator would cleanup this site and make it an asset to the campaign.
Insanity is really a matter of perspective
How can this thread threaten to "destroy what's left of the RP candidacy"? It appears that I believe there's more left to RP's candidacy than you do. Fascism and tyranny have been around for a long time and are the arch-enemy of liberty. There are many symbols of fascism in the world, most of which go unrecognized by most ordinary people. RP knows what we're up against. One of the goals here is to enlighten people to the dangers of fascism. Why do you want to suppress this process of enlightenment?
MAYBERRY -- May I Call You Barney?
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You seriously do have a FLAG/BAN problem, realize it or not. You seem to be all work and no play. Hey, look, sometimes it's good to take a little vacation (a mental break) provided that we don't lose sight of reality around here // like I'm afraid you may very well be doing.
Lighten up (didn't someone already suggest that to you earlier?) If not please do so now. I get the general feeling from your constant request for FLAG/BAN that you're wound a bit too tightly and like a clock spring --about to come unhinged.
-- Not a good thing, forum friend. For you, or for the clock.
This discussion confined to this single thread isn't going to break the good order of the RON PAUL forum (a gentlemen whom we all support and continue to hold high hopes for) and when I say 'we all' I'm including you in that as well, so don't panic in that regard.
But allow yourself a little vacation (mentally) since all the reality is terribly demanding on one's mental state. You know what I mean, surely, like for example the possibility of voter fraud considering that our hero is the best man running and yet the MSM is reporting back to us that it's MCCAIN and HILLARY and OBAMA etc.
We're all trying to make sense out of nonsense here.
This stuff about the Illuminati you may not agree with but your cries for FLAG/BAN don't come close to trying to explain that upside down star shown on the American flag there beside HILLARY now does it. At least we're thinking and looking for answers. Throw away those blinders you've apparently become accustomed to wearing and try and have a little FUN with this forum. Not saying toss away your loyality to RON PAUL, just lighten up a little.
Thanks for reading, and thanks for understanding.
Symbols Of The Illuminati
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http://www.jesus-is-savio...
Upside down star:
http://cemeteries.files.w...
-- The meaning of the upside down star:
http://www.radioliberty.c...
***extract***
PENTAGRAM (FIVE-POINTED STAR pointing down): Used in occult rituals to direct forces or energies. Often represents satanism, the horned god or various expressions of contemporary occultism, especially when a goat-head is superimposed on the inverted pentagram.
Upside down star
Superimposed goat head also known as Judas goat, leads the lambs to slaughter. The Judas goat does not have to be aware of it's purpose, it is just another puppet, like power hungry Hillary.
Posted on another forum
On February 25th, 2008 lynnopoly says:
http://www.jeffbridgman.c...
Go to this site, and posting and look at the posters picture of the original Star Spangled Banner (Smithsonian). The founding patriots were mainly all Freemasons, and if one here is correct, they have star symbols upside down for their group. So, maybe the original design of our flag actually was this way, due to the Freemason influence, but over time, we have evolved the flag to have upright stars, which is more acceptable to a majority conservative Christian nation. Did Hillary wish to have a flag which represented the original Star Spangled Banner to evoke a sense of nostalgia and patriotism, hoping potential voters would notice and say "gee, that was great of her and her campaign to do that"!!???.....
45 stars, though
and pre1912, when an executive order was issued placing the stars ina point up orientation. A fifty star flag has no reason to have stars oriented any other direction.
Probably just a flag misprint
Fortune Favors the Bold
"Grandpa, Why are there only 49 stars on the flag?"
-Lisa Simpson
"It'll be a cold day in hell before i recognize Missoura!"
-Abe Simpson
or made in China
but still against Executive Orders. Can we please have her declared a terrorist? Pretty please? I hate to see all those executive orders go to waste.
Wierd.
I watched the slide show at the bottom of the page you linked to. At first the stars are upside down. In the last couple of shots they are right-side up. I also noticed the GOP has upside-down stars on the elephant...Wierd.
The upright stars are on the
The upright stars are on the flag behind the stage, this one is to the left of the stage.
Hillary first to FEMA?
hehehe
It violates Executive Order
June 24, 1912 – An executive order from President Taft finally uniformly establishes the proportions of the flag and fixes the pattern of stars. With the new states of New Mexico and Arizona being added to the union, it is decreed that the 48 stars would be in six horizontal rows of eight each, a single point of each star to be upward. Prior to this time, the proportions of the stripes and the positions of the stars were left to the flag manufacturers. This executive order establishes a precedent for fixing the design of the flag, and, when the 49th and 50th stars were added in 1959 and 1960, the arrangement of the stars is fixed again by executive order, this time from President Eisenhower.
hitlery is a commie bitch
hitlery is a commie bitch who will do everything she can to destroy this nation and its people... anyone who thinks differently is an ignorant idiot!
that is way weird - I've never seen that before - thanks
Mayberry - crawl back into your hole. Leave us alone.
What in the hell did your mother do to you as a baby to be called forth as this forum's censor?
The guidleines exist for a
The guidleines exist for a reason - to promote the candidacy of RP - if you can not see that then I would say you are a TROLL
Please flag and delete. Too
Please flag and delete. Too many the occult and Freemasonry are moral and Christianity is immoral. In any case it has nothing to do with electing RP
Lighten up, Mayberry
We don't need any more censorship in this country, there's enough without you.
TO MAYBERRY OUR NEWEST CENSOR TROLL
listen up, have you nothing more to offer this site than ,,,,"flag , delete, has nothing to do with RP",,,i mean cmon really...evidently the world s events have nothing to do with your vision of a presidential campaign,,,,,,luckily the majority of readers here do and continue to remind us there is a big world full of much news and insights,,,,RP STANDS FOR FREE SPEECH,,,,if you have problem with this go somewhere else, you are not appreciated here,,,,perhaps mommy hillary will suit you.
Perhaps you would like to
Perhaps you would like to read the posting GUIDELINES
MAYBERRY
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Freedom of Thought //
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-- and then there's this:
http://www.samliquidation...
Mayberyy- sorry
Fortune Favors the Bold
But most of our founders were in fact, freemasons. Freemasons are mostly like a fraternity. And many modern day fraternities incorporate masonic symbols.
Get a life.
Actually we are in agreement
Actually we are in agreement - I used 'too' when I wanted to use 'to' - but what I was saying was that there are many who view Freemasony as moral.
And many who view occult as moral.
And many who view Christianity as immoral.
And yes all the founders were Freemasons.
So to point to freemasons as some part of a sinister group is ridiculous and casts a foolish pale over all RP supporters.
Hillary's website is quaint
Not updated, dull. Due to this post, I had to visit it!
_Please_ see my post below:
This is a Naval thing, not uncommon at all. "In ancient times the "Star of the Sea" was sometimes depicted as an inverted pentagram..."