Having tossed out the TV years ago, I have thus far been spared the spectacle that is...OhhhhhBAHMmah!!
Was there a nationwide memo I missed out on, exhorting us to succumb to infatuation? All those chem trails criss-crossing the sky; do they infect the populace with "Adore Obama" particles? Are the rBst hormones in our dairy products actually formulated to make people trip out like a bad PCP experience, resulting in the sudden and irreversible urge to fall uncontrollably head over heels for a handsome, smiling death trap?
This phenomenon is terrifying, not so much because Obama is popular, but that people are so invested in one person, for himself, alone -- it's not about the nation, it's about Obama. I'm surprised I'm not hearing adulating cries of, "Evita! Evita!"
Hey, I love RP and am deeply grateful to him and support him and just think he's the bee's knees. But the Ron Paul Revolution is not about Ron Paul. God Bless the good doctor, even he knows and publicly announces that it's not about him; it's about our precious country the Founding Fathers worked so hard to preserve for us. Obama seems to...I don't know...feed off the adoration of the people.
I am seriously scared for our nation's people. Or of them. Or both.
He's like the Pied Piper getting children and rats to follow him while the Republican Party is running around like a chicken without a head.
Electing a Republican President was going to be difficult from the beginning (thanks, Bush). Hopes were pinned on Fred Thompson when he entered the race, indicating what people thought of the other candidates even then. I can recall a time when Romney was leading, and Huckabee and now McCain.Whether people, sheeple, rats or children, it's hard to keep transferring loyalties. People are settling into the idea of Obama because (they think) their choices are limited to a democrat and with the Republicans scuttering around all higgledy-piggledy I can understand why.
The Party could still turn it around if they wanted to. I think if they had treated Paul fairly from the start the Republican party would be in better shape now.
Some might say that Obama is more the type of Republican the GOP wants in office than Paul is
we would be doing much better had the media given Dr. Paul a fair shake. I don't see the current party leaders being very likely to give up the "new" republican needs to folks like us.
Who would want to kill this guy? Is he trying to tear down the military industrial complex? Is he trying to thwart global bankers by re-instituting the gold standard and abolishing the Federal Reserve? If there is an attempt on Obama's life I'm sure they'll pin it on a Ron Paul supporter who is obsessed with Jodie Foster.
There are still some old school prejudice in deep south. It is slowly fading but there remains a small faction.
I don't know where You live but I live in the Deep South as You say and it's getting worse. Racism is a disease that will never be cured in the South because the blacks are just as racist or worse than the whites. You know You live in a fucked up culture when blacks can talk about whites all day and its socially acceptable but when whites talk about black You are labeled a racist. I treat everyone equally especially if You come across as being friendly but to say racism is dying is just plain ignorant.
I hear it all the time from WHITES that someone is going to shot that MAN and I tell them thats the last thing they want. The idiots have the nerve or the stupidity to ask why is that. I tell them if they thought the L.A. riots were bad just think if THAT MAN gets killed. I can see it now they relax his security and a crazed racist comes in and shoots THAT MAN and in the aftermath riots go on all over the country. When the riots come whites will hide in their houses because they will get killed on site if they step foot outside. The government will swoop in shoot and gas alot of people and go door to door taking peoples guns. You know that does sound like a likely scenario because it could happen. So I would pray for the CFR puppets life and hope he doesn't get killed.
Oh and btw I have no problem with a black president but I do not care for THAT MAN because He is CFR and He wants us to support the whole world.
i also live in the deep south...i would vote for a black man for president, i have no problem at all with that....blacks have been voting for whites forever...to me, and to most down here, its not about color, its about character....i agree with the above post though that racism is far from dead on both sides of the color but to the point.....this MUSLIM first, AMERICAN second man is NOT the black man i will support and not the black man for the job............just like i would have no problem whatsoever voting for a woman but billory is NOT that woman...they are both CFR sell outs who care nothing for AMERICA...obama won't wear a flag lapel pin, won't say the pledge of allegiance, won't take an oath on the Bible...for Christ's sake Oprah and all you sheeple...wake the hell up!
to make Obama appear to be anti-establishment...when in fact the exact opposite is true. It will only enforce what the sheeple believe.
"Ooohhhh, someone wants to kill him? He MUST be right for America."
Please.
MSM = CRAP
“No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent.”
Abraham Lincoln
I do like how he photoshopped all those Obama pitcurues, added a lens flare and made them all dreamy, that's sweet.
But, that's what I don't get. People getting manipulated over and over again by the same words and promises.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
Why do people fall for the same tricks over and over again? It's it forgetfulness, or naivety? Obama will say anything to get you in bed, it's obvious. And he's lubing everyone up real good.
But, has a politician ever actually done anything they promised in the original platform they ran on. Look at Bush in 2000. Humble foreign policy, no nation building, he promised to fight for civil liberties...
More importantly, this is something it seems nobody caught, go watch Bush's State of the Union Address from last month. He said we were seeing considerable success in Iraq and the U.S. could slowly start to withdraw some troops starting in July if things remained as they currently do. Bush said he would start by bringing 2000 troops home.
Wait, isn't that the same thin Obama and Hillary has been saying? They are promising nothing better than Bush is, and Bush will probably start the withdraw before they even take office. They are fooling you into voting for them when in reality their strategy for withdraw is the same as the one already in place.
Vote RON PAUL 2008
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Ha ha ha -- how can you say that with a straight face? All black men look alike, is that it! Of course it's not him. And as to being made by the United Negro Whatever It Was -- it was obviously a racist hit piece disguised in what some would consider humor. I consider it to be in bad taste -- And I'm white.
Man, that's a pretty funny site!
Wow, haha!
Comparing the next president of the United States to the Coming of Christ.
I'm a fervent Ron Paul supporter, but WOW, that's rich.
Hmm. I wonder if there are actually some people out there that believe that propaganda is true?
A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism. Period. There is no way to rationalize it. You can't get from point A (totalitarianism) to point B (constitutional government) through socialism, fascism or communism.
If we're not voting our conscience, we are giving in to the media game of the lesser of two evils.
We are building a freedom movement. Obama is NOT a part of that movement. He must be opposed. If you want to make a moral choice (if Dr. Paul drops his campaign) vote for an independent, but for the love of God don't help elect a socialist who will raise our taxes and demolish the second amendment.
I think that McCain is the worst possibility and WANT TO INSURE he doesn't get elected. If Dr. Paul isn't on the ballot and doesn't look to have an appreciable percentage and McCain is polling close to the Democratic candidate then I'm voting for the democrat, unless there is an independent that has a real chance of winning. This isn't some kind of RPG or something. The wrong candidate could get more of our troops killed and make more enemies for us to have to deal with...somehow. If the president we elect creates problems for us at home...well, we can deal with those on a state-by-state basis. If he gets us into a shooting war then we will have no choice but to let the Federal government try to solve a problem that it created in the first place. I simply don't have enough faith in McCain to trust him with the proverbial button. He's a hothead and definitely a hawk.
So yes, I'm willing to let the democrats have control for four years because i don't think that the republicans can be trusted with Dr. Paul in charge.
Finally, Dr. Paul is certainly my leader. However, he is NOT the Revolution. The Revolution will continue without him, if needs be. My question can also be stated: will the Revolution grow faster with McCain in office than it will with anymore else (but Dr. Paul)? My answer is no.
If you vote for the lesser of 3 evils, you still have evil. And guess what, there is no lesser evil here!
It is IMPOSSIBLE to vote against someone. Who you vote FOR says something about your principles. A vote FOR Obama is a vote FOR OBAMA, not against McCain, not for the freedom movement. A vote for Obama is as unprincipled as voting for McCain. No one knows who is going to win in November at the moment, but if you let the media pull you along by your leash, telling us who can and can't win, we will always lose. If everyone I ever heard say "I like candidate X but he can't win" actually followed through and voted for candidate X, candidate X would actually have as good a chance of winning as anyone.
We are months away from the Republican convention. Anything can happen. Stop talking defeat and start working to elect Ron Paul delegates.
to see what the difference is between my attitude and many others. It seems that my attitude is "hey, lets consider all possibilities since the thing I'd like to happen has a very low chance by any reasonable interpretation of the numbers" while the others are practicing the "don't make me consider unhappy but unfortunately realistic possibilities because it'll make me cry and I'll start name-calling" attitude.
Does anyone even know what Communism is and how many people and countries use it? I just ask because it has an interesting history and has had a lot of very intelligent proponents. Now, before people start branding me a communist just keep your holes shut. My favorite form of government is a very loose democracy, or at least I guess that it is, never having experienced it here in our representative republic. My point is that belief in a certain type of government doesn't make someone evil. The people of China who are happy with their government aren't evil. Neither are the Vietnamese. Just like Hindus aren't evil for their personal beliefs anymore than Christians are for theirs. Governments are usually the reason that various forms of governance don't work. Again, not because they are inherently evil but because people get corrupted with power...plain and simple.
[edit]In summation, I highly doubt that Barack Obama is a communist. If you have hard evidence, serve it up. Otherwise, shut up.[/edit]
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But no one is willing to even take a reasonable position of discussion on what he or she will do in the event of McCain polling closely against Obama and Dr. Paul nowhere on the ballot. The cheerleaders are so funny with their rah, rah sis-boom-bah and lock-and-load bs. It has nothing to do with giving up or giving in. Its called working with the hand you've been dealt with and its something you learn with age. Its not about quitting. Its about know that sometimes you have to take the long way to get somewhere.
I don't want Barack Obama to be elected. However, I don't want McCain to be elected more than I don't want Obama because I feel that McCain will more a greater danger to the US than Obama. Why is that hard to understand? Is it just that you can't even prepare for the possibility of no Dr. Paul in the oval office? Certainly there is still a remote, tiny chance that something will happen to toss McCain under a bus...which means Romney would jump back in. We'd still have a battle, but it would be looking a little better.
Its odd because many of the same people giving me a hard time for this attitude are the ones saying "stock up on water and food and make sure your guns are oiled". The two positions don't really agree. On the one side I'm a defeatist if I try to figure out what I'm going to do if the election doesn't go the way I want it to go but on the other hand I'm a good little boy for squirreling away 6 months of food and water. A large part of being successful in any battle is preparation. If things don't go your way what are you going to do? I'm not looking to convince of anything particular. I'm just asking if you have even considered what options might be available.
As for shooting you in the back, its hardly necessary. With the attitude you've got you'll end up shooting yourself long before the real battle ever begins.
Most left wing Democrat (and many R) politicians are some variant of socialist. Most (not all) secular humanists and atheists are socialists. There is no compatibility between socialism, fascism, communism and the US Constitution. Voting for any candidate who is a socialist over non-socialist candidates is unprincipled pragmatism. The reason we have unprincipled politicians is because we have unprincipled voters! At the moment, the only principled votes are for Ron Paul or possibly the Constitution Party or Libertarian party candidates. No other individuals or parties are proposing to remotely move the country back towards Constitutional governance.
Regardless of who everyone else is voting for, your vote is your vote, and your vote says something about your character. If you think that communism is even remotely OK, then you have a serious misunderstanding about the nature of law and government in America, and about the Ron Paul campaign.
McNuts was endorsed by the New York Times while it had the story on the Affair in December.
McCain is deliberately proped up by the media to make way for a sure win for Obama.
You wackos really thinkt that we are that stupid to even consider that piece of shit who has been running for the White House for 2yrs since his first term as Senator. This did not come about without the deliberate hand of the media.
Go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Ever seen the South Park episode where the kids vote for a new school mascot? The choice ends up being between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, much like what you are suggesting. That is not "choice".
That's the way to sum it up. So what you're saying is that its a matter of principle. If you vote for anyone else but Dr. Paul you compromise your ideals, right?
So, if you really believe that its wrong to be robbed than you'll refuse to hand over your money and get shot? You'll be dead but you didn't compromise. Perhaps you should just hand over your money and then hope you get a chance to nail the bastard later?
If standing up for what you believe to be right is a crime, yeah, guilty as charged. Compromise was the main theme of the 20th century, and look where it got us. I am tired of compromising the Constitution by voting for establishment candidates.
The Constitution is THE law of the land. We can change it lawfully, but we should not ignore it. Voting for someone who ignores it and knowingly emotionally manipulates the public with empty rhetoric...I just won't do it.
Not sure what you were trying to get at with that analogy above, but are you saying we should hand our votes to Obama now and nail the bastard later?
is that we don't have the power or authority to just impose our will on the rest of the country, regardless of our "rightness". So that means that if Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ballot then he won't be President. If I believe that McCain is a danger to this country what is my moral obligation? Vote my principles or work to insure that McCain doesn't become POTUS?
Its not that you would be committing a crime. I would certainly be acting selfishly if I knowingly led something bad happen to somebody because I gave my word I wouldn't narc on someone, right? Is my word more important than someone's life? I'm caught in the same type of decision. No, I don't think Obama is a great choice. Yes, I do think he is the most qualified of the probably presidential candidates, excepting Dr. Paul.
So what I'm hearing from all of the "true believers" is how I'm stupid and a weakling for not writing Dr. Paul on the ballot. I suppose that we'll just have to see who does what and when. I suspect that if Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ballot then a lot of people here are going to sit around and complain about it, thereby accomplishing so much.
Hopefully we won't see.
For starters and finishers in my book this weasel voted for the patriot act, nothing could be more evil than accuse a nation with the laws set forth in the patriot act. Homeland security and FEMA are indeed institutions to control and take away liberties from all of us. Obadman wasnt even there to vote for the bill that gave Bush power to invade Iran without congressional approval.
He is also on the Judicial watch website as one of the top ten worst of 2007.
Look for yourself. http://judicialwatch.org/...
I don't understand. If you support Ron Paul and everything he represents, how can you support Obama when he is the complete opposite? Ron Paul has the most conservative voting record, and Obama has the most liberal voting record. Someone please explain this logic to me.
that all I see hear are people trying to live in absolutes. You are all gonna have to wake up to the fact that we don't have the power to dictate change to the rest of America. We have to work within the process to fix things. I, along with the rest of you, would greatly love to see Dr. Paul as President. I hold out hope that it will happen.
I am also a programmer who often has to work with statistics. Statistically speaking Dr. Paul's chances are very slim. Is this a lie? All things being equal with no DP-koolaid his chances are very slim. I don't like it. I wish it were different. But tell me how I'm wrong.
So.
My philosophy in the event that Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ticket is "compromise"...but continue working toward our goal of freedom and limited government. Am I wrong in this? If so, tell me how using reasoned debate, not name-calling or derision. Because you can be sure of this; the only way you're gonna convince anyone else not already firmly in our camp is through sweet reason.
All things being equal it doesn't look like Dr.Paul is going to get on the ballot unless something drastic occurs. That being said why shouldn't I do my best to insure McCain doesn't get elected as president? What will the choices be? I will vote for Dr. Paul if he is on the
ballot but if he ian't what do I do?
I believe that McCain is a bigger threat to our nation than anyone else still
running.
This question seems to have been asked several times, and I always have the same response: if Dr. Paul ain't on the ballot, write him in!
Obama is not a compromise candidate; he is a liberal socialist of farthest left who has no use for the bill of rights or an American public who can think or do for itself. His solution/message is larger government, more taxes, fewer freedoms. He fundamentally thinks we as individuals cannot take care of ourselves, and if we try and fail, the government should bail us out...taking money from people who had nothing to do with our personal poor choices and redistributing it in a way that the government, not us, thinks is acceptable.
Dr. Paul's message is one of personal liberty. You take responsibility for your life, you decide as states and localities the issues that are important to you, and you hash it out on the local level. There is no redistribution of income: what you work hard for, you keep. You can pick your kids' schools, you can pick what you buy, and if you sign a contract on a house you can't afford at an interest rate that has a good chance of going through the roof in 5 years, well, you really screwed the pooch, but it's nobody's responsibility but yours to pay off that loan. You're not given anything by the gov't, because the gov't has nothing to give.
Listen, if you think Dr Paul's message is true and right, then how could you live with yourself if you vote for someone who's positions (when actually does take one) are so opposed to his?
It's your vote, do what you want, but I do want to be able to look at myself in the mirror 4 years from now and know that while I may not have been able to effect the cure, I at least did not contribute to the problem.
Good luck, if you vote for Obama. I hope you'll tell us, in November, whether you did. Some of us would like to keep in touch and see how you feel about that vote in retrospect if Obama does take office.
If you vote for Obama in November simply because he is not McCain than everyone will lose, not because of who is, or is not elected come next November, but because you will be succumbing to the "politics of fear." I think that all of us here at the Daily Paul can agree that the two party system is what is wrong with this country. What we disagree on is the best way to fight it.
Some, like you, advocate voting for the "lesser" of two evils. Such action achieves nothing. The two party system relies on the fact that you perceive only two pragmatic choices and are therefore willing to accept a candidate that is fundamentally flawed. Both parties continually offer up candidates that compromise not only core American values, but various portions of their own party planks. Why? Because they know that their constituencies perceive themselves as trapped, and will act accordingly. Democrats think "liberal" folks will overlook Hillary and Obama's support for the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq war, and cast a vote for them in the upcoming election based on the fact that they are not Republicans; Republicans similarly hope that fiscal conservatives' fear of "tax and spend" Democrats will drive them into the Republican camp.
It is time to make a stand. We must force their hand and make them realize that the 5% of people in this country who are Paul supporters will not compromise. We must either demonstrate that the two party system is dieing, or at the very least make ourselves into the 5% whom they will compete over in coming elections. In order to do that we have no choice but to stand resolute in our demands and refuse to compromise.
To vote for a candidate besides Paul is to throw your vote away. It will simply signal to them that pandering, avoiding tough questions, and using platitudes/vacuous arguments still is the way to win an election. Politicians on both sides of the aisle will be reassured that the average voter assumes that he or she only has two choices and it will be business as usual in Washington. If you compromise your vote then you compromise not only your beliefs, but the health our electoral process. Nothing will ever change so long as individuals such as you and I are willing to silence our consciences and support the "lesser" of two evils. After all, the "lesser" of two evils is still an evil.
Yeah, I'm been avoiding tough questions all day with this post. And by making ourselves the 5% that they will compete over in coming elections you just acknowledged that you would consider not voting for Dr. Paul. Unless you actually mean that you will not vote for anyone but Dr. Paul and therefore they won't be competing over you at all.
And the politics of fear. You're absolutely right. I fear that the coming political contest might place a man I consider the MOST flawed in the White House. So I should save my ideals by writing in Dr. Paul's name even if it doesn't look in the least bit hopeful? I should "symbolically" cast my vote for 5% candidate when the 47% candidate is a danger and is close to winning?
So, do you agree that we should pay taxes? No? Oh, then you aren't paying any? Oh, you are? You mean you're not just making the simple choice of what's right? You're giving in to the politics of fear?
There are no easy answers and sometimes you just have to be prepared to do what is not really right but might be best. Compromise is a part of democracy, whether you like it or not. While I agree that it shouldn't be a compromise of our laws and constitution, right now it appears that its going to be exactly that. We've managed to persuade around 4.6% of the republican voters. That ain't gonna get us any loving come convention time. People here have advocated "stealing" the convention. So its okay to compromise the voting rights of 95% of the republican voters, just as long as your ideals are intact? I have always believed that the purpose of this Revolution was to convince enough Americans that its time we returned to the Constitution. Am I incorrect in this belief? Well, this time around we don't seem to have convinced enough people. I wish it was otherwise. And honestly, I would certainly do anything it took at the convention to get Dr. Paul nominated, but I would be honest with myself as to the reasons and rationalizations.
socialist messiah and a demo-socialist Congress? Where will be the balance of power in THAT combination. Where will be the gridlock to stop the worst of what the demo-socialists pass in Congress? Hussein O. will sign anything that promotes central government they send to him.
I"d almost rather have McShame as he and Congress will get into hissy-fits with each other and maybe he'll veto something now and again.
As for getting us into wars, Hussein O. said he would send US troops into Pakistan in search of Bin Laden whether Pakistan invited us or not. He said this in a public debate and President Mushaarraf in Pakistan responded to Hussein O. directly! He said that if Hussein O. did that, he would consider the American invaders. Great. Just what we need.
I could also bring up the "humanitarian" military missions Hussein O. is sure to promote..like troops into Darfur or Rwanda or Ivory Coast or Kenya...wake up.
He's vacuous
and so boring - I guess they want to rock and roll with him and perhaps also do drugs. He's empty. He would have to be led.
Oh. My.
Having tossed out the TV years ago, I have thus far been spared the spectacle that is...OhhhhhBAHMmah!!
Was there a nationwide memo I missed out on, exhorting us to succumb to infatuation? All those chem trails criss-crossing the sky; do they infect the populace with "Adore Obama" particles? Are the rBst hormones in our dairy products actually formulated to make people trip out like a bad PCP experience, resulting in the sudden and irreversible urge to fall uncontrollably head over heels for a handsome, smiling death trap?
This phenomenon is terrifying, not so much because Obama is popular, but that people are so invested in one person, for himself, alone -- it's not about the nation, it's about Obama. I'm surprised I'm not hearing adulating cries of, "Evita! Evita!"
Hey, I love RP and am deeply grateful to him and support him and just think he's the bee's knees. But the Ron Paul Revolution is not about Ron Paul. God Bless the good doctor, even he knows and publicly announces that it's not about him; it's about our precious country the Founding Fathers worked so hard to preserve for us. Obama seems to...I don't know...feed off the adoration of the people.
I am seriously scared for our nation's people. Or of them. Or both.
reading through that made me
reading through that made me through up in my mouth
I think so far this is the
I think so far this is the best BaaBaama vid.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
The Pied Piper
He's like the Pied Piper getting children and rats to follow him while the Republican Party is running around like a chicken without a head.
Electing a Republican President was going to be difficult from the beginning (thanks, Bush). Hopes were pinned on Fred Thompson when he entered the race, indicating what people thought of the other candidates even then. I can recall a time when Romney was leading, and Huckabee and now McCain.Whether people, sheeple, rats or children, it's hard to keep transferring loyalties. People are settling into the idea of Obama because (they think) their choices are limited to a democrat and with the Republicans scuttering around all higgledy-piggledy I can understand why.
The Party could still turn it around if they wanted to. I think if they had treated Paul fairly from the start the Republican party would be in better shape now.
Some might say that Obama is more the type of Republican the GOP wants in office than Paul is
Don't forget about the CFR!!!!!
"THEY" don't give a damn whether its republican or democrat (as long as it NOT Dr. Paul) the rest are all CFR lackeys......so, they don't care
I agree
we would be doing much better had the media given Dr. Paul a fair shake. I don't see the current party leaders being very likely to give up the "new" republican needs to folks like us.
The funny thing is...
from the NYT:Hushed worry about Obama's safety
Who would want to kill this guy? Is he trying to tear down the military industrial complex? Is he trying to thwart global bankers by re-instituting the gold standard and abolishing the Federal Reserve? If there is an attempt on Obama's life I'm sure they'll pin it on a Ron Paul supporter who is obsessed with Jodie Foster.
He is Black, thats why
There are still some old school prejudice in deep south. It is slowly fading but there remains a small faction.
Deep South
There are still some old school prejudice in deep south. It is slowly fading but there remains a small faction.
I don't know where You live but I live in the Deep South as You say and it's getting worse. Racism is a disease that will never be cured in the South because the blacks are just as racist or worse than the whites. You know You live in a fucked up culture when blacks can talk about whites all day and its socially acceptable but when whites talk about black You are labeled a racist. I treat everyone equally especially if You come across as being friendly but to say racism is dying is just plain ignorant.
I hear it all the time from WHITES that someone is going to shot that MAN and I tell them thats the last thing they want. The idiots have the nerve or the stupidity to ask why is that. I tell them if they thought the L.A. riots were bad just think if THAT MAN gets killed. I can see it now they relax his security and a crazed racist comes in and shoots THAT MAN and in the aftermath riots go on all over the country. When the riots come whites will hide in their houses because they will get killed on site if they step foot outside. The government will swoop in shoot and gas alot of people and go door to door taking peoples guns. You know that does sound like a likely scenario because it could happen. So I would pray for the CFR puppets life and hope he doesn't get killed.
Oh and btw I have no problem with a black president but I do not care for THAT MAN because He is CFR and He wants us to support the whole world.
my points, EXACTLY!!!!!!
i also live in the deep south...i would vote for a black man for president, i have no problem at all with that....blacks have been voting for whites forever...to me, and to most down here, its not about color, its about character....i agree with the above post though that racism is far from dead on both sides of the color but to the point.....this MUSLIM first, AMERICAN second man is NOT the black man i will support and not the black man for the job............just like i would have no problem whatsoever voting for a woman but billory is NOT that woman...they are both CFR sell outs who care nothing for AMERICA...obama won't wear a flag lapel pin, won't say the pledge of allegiance, won't take an oath on the Bible...for Christ's sake Oprah and all you sheeple...wake the hell up!
NYT story is a plant
to make Obama appear to be anti-establishment...when in fact the exact opposite is true. It will only enforce what the sheeple believe.
"Ooohhhh, someone wants to kill him? He MUST be right for America."
Please.
MSM = CRAP
“No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent.”
Abraham Lincoln
Like Him or Not
Obama is riding a JFK type wave..Unless something derails that this guy is most likely a shoe in
Hypno bama
All personality...slogans...marketing...hey, he knows how to run an empty modern presidential campaign. Yes?
Being inspirational will always dominate the real issues when the masses are too lazy to think.
Obama is going to be a tough nut to crack.
Yeah
I do like how he photoshopped all those Obama pitcurues, added a lens flare and made them all dreamy, that's sweet.
But, that's what I don't get. People getting manipulated over and over again by the same words and promises.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
yes...my favorite enhanced, dreamy photo...
is the one where he's blowing his nose into the holy kleenex.
I don't understand
Why do people fall for the same tricks over and over again? It's it forgetfulness, or naivety? Obama will say anything to get you in bed, it's obvious. And he's lubing everyone up real good.
But, has a politician ever actually done anything they promised in the original platform they ran on. Look at Bush in 2000. Humble foreign policy, no nation building, he promised to fight for civil liberties...
More importantly, this is something it seems nobody caught, go watch Bush's State of the Union Address from last month. He said we were seeing considerable success in Iraq and the U.S. could slowly start to withdraw some troops starting in July if things remained as they currently do. Bush said he would start by bringing 2000 troops home.
Wait, isn't that the same thin Obama and Hillary has been saying? They are promising nothing better than Bush is, and Bush will probably start the withdraw before they even take office. They are fooling you into voting for them when in reality their strategy for withdraw is the same as the one already in place.
I Only Watch His Hands
And they tell me all I need to know since November 2007.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghegis Khan
Funny Obama Video
This is a funny video circulating that it is Obama in college in 1974, I don't think it is really him but some good comic relief anyway!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
You Don't Think (?) It Is Really Him
Vote RON PAUL 2008
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Ha ha ha -- how can you say that with a straight face? All black men look alike, is that it! Of course it's not him. And as to being made by the United Negro Whatever It Was -- it was obviously a racist hit piece disguised in what some would consider humor. I consider it to be in bad taste -- And I'm white.
HAHAHAHAH
Man, that's a pretty funny site!
Wow, haha!
Comparing the next president of the United States to the Coming of Christ.
I'm a fervent Ron Paul supporter, but WOW, that's rich.
Hmm. I wonder if there are actually some people out there that believe that propaganda is true?
Obama is a communist.
A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism. Period. There is no way to rationalize it. You can't get from point A (totalitarianism) to point B (constitutional government) through socialism, fascism or communism.
If we're not voting our conscience, we are giving in to the media game of the lesser of two evils.
We are building a freedom movement. Obama is NOT a part of that movement. He must be opposed. If you want to make a moral choice (if Dr. Paul drops his campaign) vote for an independent, but for the love of God don't help elect a socialist who will raise our taxes and demolish the second amendment.
Nobody here
will hear what I'm saying.
I think that McCain is the worst possibility and WANT TO INSURE he doesn't get elected. If Dr. Paul isn't on the ballot and doesn't look to have an appreciable percentage and McCain is polling close to the Democratic candidate then I'm voting for the democrat, unless there is an independent that has a real chance of winning. This isn't some kind of RPG or something. The wrong candidate could get more of our troops killed and make more enemies for us to have to deal with...somehow. If the president we elect creates problems for us at home...well, we can deal with those on a state-by-state basis. If he gets us into a shooting war then we will have no choice but to let the Federal government try to solve a problem that it created in the first place. I simply don't have enough faith in McCain to trust him with the proverbial button. He's a hothead and definitely a hawk.
So yes, I'm willing to let the democrats have control for four years because i don't think that the republicans can be trusted with Dr. Paul in charge.
Finally, Dr. Paul is certainly my leader. However, he is NOT the Revolution. The Revolution will continue without him, if needs be. My question can also be stated: will the Revolution grow faster with McCain in office than it will with anymore else (but Dr. Paul)? My answer is no.
RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO RON GO No matter what RON PAUL Will be on MY ballott
Obama is a communist
If you vote for the lesser of 3 evils, you still have evil. And guess what, there is no lesser evil here!
It is IMPOSSIBLE to vote against someone. Who you vote FOR says something about your principles. A vote FOR Obama is a vote FOR OBAMA, not against McCain, not for the freedom movement. A vote for Obama is as unprincipled as voting for McCain. No one knows who is going to win in November at the moment, but if you let the media pull you along by your leash, telling us who can and can't win, we will always lose. If everyone I ever heard say "I like candidate X but he can't win" actually followed through and voted for candidate X, candidate X would actually have as good a chance of winning as anyone.
We are months away from the Republican convention. Anything can happen. Stop talking defeat and start working to elect Ron Paul delegates.
Ok, I begin
to see what the difference is between my attitude and many others. It seems that my attitude is "hey, lets consider all possibilities since the thing I'd like to happen has a very low chance by any reasonable interpretation of the numbers" while the others are practicing the "don't make me consider unhappy but unfortunately realistic possibilities because it'll make me cry and I'll start name-calling" attitude.
Does anyone even know what Communism is and how many people and countries use it? I just ask because it has an interesting history and has had a lot of very intelligent proponents. Now, before people start branding me a communist just keep your holes shut. My favorite form of government is a very loose democracy, or at least I guess that it is, never having experienced it here in our representative republic. My point is that belief in a certain type of government doesn't make someone evil. The people of China who are happy with their government aren't evil. Neither are the Vietnamese. Just like Hindus aren't evil for their personal beliefs anymore than Christians are for theirs. Governments are usually the reason that various forms of governance don't work. Again, not because they are inherently evil but because people get corrupted with power...plain and simple.
[edit]In summation, I highly doubt that Barack Obama is a communist. If you have hard evidence, serve it up. Otherwise, shut up.[/edit]
load up on the train, loser
they've got a nice little wooden bunk bed for you, too.
NEVER GIVE UP NEVER GIVE IN! you are shooting us in the back while we try to fight...can't you see that?
Yeah, good answer
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But no one is willing to even take a reasonable position of discussion on what he or she will do in the event of McCain polling closely against Obama and Dr. Paul nowhere on the ballot. The cheerleaders are so funny with their rah, rah sis-boom-bah and lock-and-load bs. It has nothing to do with giving up or giving in. Its called working with the hand you've been dealt with and its something you learn with age. Its not about quitting. Its about know that sometimes you have to take the long way to get somewhere.
I don't want Barack Obama to be elected. However, I don't want McCain to be elected more than I don't want Obama because I feel that McCain will more a greater danger to the US than Obama. Why is that hard to understand? Is it just that you can't even prepare for the possibility of no Dr. Paul in the oval office? Certainly there is still a remote, tiny chance that something will happen to toss McCain under a bus...which means Romney would jump back in. We'd still have a battle, but it would be looking a little better.
Its odd because many of the same people giving me a hard time for this attitude are the ones saying "stock up on water and food and make sure your guns are oiled". The two positions don't really agree. On the one side I'm a defeatist if I try to figure out what I'm going to do if the election doesn't go the way I want it to go but on the other hand I'm a good little boy for squirreling away 6 months of food and water. A large part of being successful in any battle is preparation. If things don't go your way what are you going to do? I'm not looking to convince of anything particular. I'm just asking if you have even considered what options might be available.
As for shooting you in the back, its hardly necessary. With the attitude you've got you'll end up shooting yourself long before the real battle ever begins.
Hillary is one too
Most left wing Democrat (and many R) politicians are some variant of socialist. Most (not all) secular humanists and atheists are socialists. There is no compatibility between socialism, fascism, communism and the US Constitution. Voting for any candidate who is a socialist over non-socialist candidates is unprincipled pragmatism. The reason we have unprincipled politicians is because we have unprincipled voters! At the moment, the only principled votes are for Ron Paul or possibly the Constitution Party or Libertarian party candidates. No other individuals or parties are proposing to remotely move the country back towards Constitutional governance.
Regardless of who everyone else is voting for, your vote is your vote, and your vote says something about your character. If you think that communism is even remotely OK, then you have a serious misunderstanding about the nature of law and government in America, and about the Ron Paul campaign.
Some of my NeoCon (liberal) > are trying to convince me to Obama
McNuts was endorsed by the New York Times while it had the story on the Affair in December.
McCain is deliberately proped up by the media to make way for a sure win for Obama.
You wackos really thinkt that we are that stupid to even consider that piece of shit who has been running for the White House for 2yrs since his first term as Senator. This did not come about without the deliberate hand of the media.
Go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Just learn what Obama really
stands for instead of listening to his silver tongued bullshit Rokdevil. Look a little deeper.
I've already
posted a couple of reasons why I think he is a better choice than McCain. I believe that I asked you to show me how I was wrong.
Ever seen the South Park
Ever seen the South Park episode where the kids vote for a new school mascot? The choice ends up being between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, much like what you are suggesting. That is not "choice".
This says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
In any case, if you want to vote for the douche because he is better than the turd, more power to ya champ! :)
Yeah
That's the way to sum it up. So what you're saying is that its a matter of principle. If you vote for anyone else but Dr. Paul you compromise your ideals, right?
So, if you really believe that its wrong to be robbed than you'll refuse to hand over your money and get shot? You'll be dead but you didn't compromise. Perhaps you should just hand over your money and then hope you get a chance to nail the bastard later?
let John Quincy Adams have the final word...
I think you'd agree that he knows more than any of us here.
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams
If standing up for what you
If standing up for what you believe to be right is a crime, yeah, guilty as charged. Compromise was the main theme of the 20th century, and look where it got us. I am tired of compromising the Constitution by voting for establishment candidates.
The Constitution is THE law of the land. We can change it lawfully, but we should not ignore it. Voting for someone who ignores it and knowingly emotionally manipulates the public with empty rhetoric...I just won't do it.
Not sure what you were trying to get at with that analogy above, but are you saying we should hand our votes to Obama now and nail the bastard later?
what i am getting at
is that we don't have the power or authority to just impose our will on the rest of the country, regardless of our "rightness". So that means that if Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ballot then he won't be President. If I believe that McCain is a danger to this country what is my moral obligation? Vote my principles or work to insure that McCain doesn't become POTUS?
Its not that you would be committing a crime. I would certainly be acting selfishly if I knowingly led something bad happen to somebody because I gave my word I wouldn't narc on someone, right? Is my word more important than someone's life? I'm caught in the same type of decision. No, I don't think Obama is a great choice. Yes, I do think he is the most qualified of the probably presidential candidates, excepting Dr. Paul.
So what I'm hearing from all of the "true believers" is how I'm stupid and a weakling for not writing Dr. Paul on the ballot. I suppose that we'll just have to see who does what and when. I suspect that if Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ballot then a lot of people here are going to sit around and complain about it, thereby accomplishing so much.
Hopefully we won't see.
This Obama is the opposite of Mesiah
For starters and finishers in my book this weasel voted for the patriot act, nothing could be more evil than accuse a nation with the laws set forth in the patriot act. Homeland security and FEMA are indeed institutions to control and take away liberties from all of us. Obadman wasnt even there to vote for the bill that gave Bush power to invade Iran without congressional approval.
He is also on the Judicial watch website as one of the top ten worst of 2007.
Look for yourself.
http://judicialwatch.org/...
That's what i'm
That's what i'm sayin'!!!FIRE!!!
I don't understand. If you
I don't understand. If you support Ron Paul and everything he represents, how can you support Obama when he is the complete opposite? Ron Paul has the most conservative voting record, and Obama has the most liberal voting record. Someone please explain this logic to me.
Maybe this will help a little
http://www.webcommentary....
I just have to say
that all I see hear are people trying to live in absolutes. You are all gonna have to wake up to the fact that we don't have the power to dictate change to the rest of America. We have to work within the process to fix things. I, along with the rest of you, would greatly love to see Dr. Paul as President. I hold out hope that it will happen.
I am also a programmer who often has to work with statistics. Statistically speaking Dr. Paul's chances are very slim. Is this a lie? All things being equal with no DP-koolaid his chances are very slim. I don't like it. I wish it were different. But tell me how I'm wrong.
So.
My philosophy in the event that Dr. Paul doesn't get on the ticket is "compromise"...but continue working toward our goal of freedom and limited government. Am I wrong in this? If so, tell me how using reasoned debate, not name-calling or derision. Because you can be sure of this; the only way you're gonna convince anyone else not already firmly in our camp is through sweet reason.
The challenge is set.
Can't debate you
If you don't state your argument. Please define "compromise." And you may not be wrong...depending on what your definition is.
my questions
were straightforward but I'll repeat them.
All things being equal it doesn't look like Dr.Paul is going to get on the ballot unless something drastic occurs. That being said why shouldn't I do my best to insure McCain doesn't get elected as president? What will the choices be? I will vote for Dr. Paul if he is on the
ballot but if he ian't what do I do?
I believe that McCain is a bigger threat to our nation than anyone else still
running.
Compromise
This question seems to have been asked several times, and I always have the same response: if Dr. Paul ain't on the ballot, write him in!
Obama is not a compromise candidate; he is a liberal socialist of farthest left who has no use for the bill of rights or an American public who can think or do for itself. His solution/message is larger government, more taxes, fewer freedoms. He fundamentally thinks we as individuals cannot take care of ourselves, and if we try and fail, the government should bail us out...taking money from people who had nothing to do with our personal poor choices and redistributing it in a way that the government, not us, thinks is acceptable.
Dr. Paul's message is one of personal liberty. You take responsibility for your life, you decide as states and localities the issues that are important to you, and you hash it out on the local level. There is no redistribution of income: what you work hard for, you keep. You can pick your kids' schools, you can pick what you buy, and if you sign a contract on a house you can't afford at an interest rate that has a good chance of going through the roof in 5 years, well, you really screwed the pooch, but it's nobody's responsibility but yours to pay off that loan. You're not given anything by the gov't, because the gov't has nothing to give.
Listen, if you think Dr Paul's message is true and right, then how could you live with yourself if you vote for someone who's positions (when actually does take one) are so opposed to his?
It's your vote, do what you want, but I do want to be able to look at myself in the mirror 4 years from now and know that while I may not have been able to effect the cure, I at least did not contribute to the problem.
Good luck, if you vote for Obama. I hope you'll tell us, in November, whether you did. Some of us would like to keep in touch and see how you feel about that vote in retrospect if Obama does take office.
Uh... would you mind posting
Uh... would you mind posting that question to Yahoo:answers? lol
Write his name in.
It's really that simple.
If you vote for Obama in November simply because he is not McCain than everyone will lose, not because of who is, or is not elected come next November, but because you will be succumbing to the "politics of fear." I think that all of us here at the Daily Paul can agree that the two party system is what is wrong with this country. What we disagree on is the best way to fight it.
Some, like you, advocate voting for the "lesser" of two evils. Such action achieves nothing. The two party system relies on the fact that you perceive only two pragmatic choices and are therefore willing to accept a candidate that is fundamentally flawed. Both parties continually offer up candidates that compromise not only core American values, but various portions of their own party planks. Why? Because they know that their constituencies perceive themselves as trapped, and will act accordingly. Democrats think "liberal" folks will overlook Hillary and Obama's support for the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq war, and cast a vote for them in the upcoming election based on the fact that they are not Republicans; Republicans similarly hope that fiscal conservatives' fear of "tax and spend" Democrats will drive them into the Republican camp.
It is time to make a stand. We must force their hand and make them realize that the 5% of people in this country who are Paul supporters will not compromise. We must either demonstrate that the two party system is dieing, or at the very least make ourselves into the 5% whom they will compete over in coming elections. In order to do that we have no choice but to stand resolute in our demands and refuse to compromise.
To vote for a candidate besides Paul is to throw your vote away. It will simply signal to them that pandering, avoiding tough questions, and using platitudes/vacuous arguments still is the way to win an election. Politicians on both sides of the aisle will be reassured that the average voter assumes that he or she only has two choices and it will be business as usual in Washington. If you compromise your vote then you compromise not only your beliefs, but the health our electoral process. Nothing will ever change so long as individuals such as you and I are willing to silence our consciences and support the "lesser" of two evils. After all, the "lesser" of two evils is still an evil.
Yeah, bold text will make it work.
Yeah, I'm been avoiding tough questions all day with this post. And by making ourselves the 5% that they will compete over in coming elections you just acknowledged that you would consider not voting for Dr. Paul. Unless you actually mean that you will not vote for anyone but Dr. Paul and therefore they won't be competing over you at all.
And the politics of fear. You're absolutely right. I fear that the coming political contest might place a man I consider the MOST flawed in the White House. So I should save my ideals by writing in Dr. Paul's name even if it doesn't look in the least bit hopeful? I should "symbolically" cast my vote for 5% candidate when the 47% candidate is a danger and is close to winning?
So, do you agree that we should pay taxes? No? Oh, then you aren't paying any? Oh, you are? You mean you're not just making the simple choice of what's right? You're giving in to the politics of fear?
There are no easy answers and sometimes you just have to be prepared to do what is not really right but might be best. Compromise is a part of democracy, whether you like it or not. While I agree that it shouldn't be a compromise of our laws and constitution, right now it appears that its going to be exactly that. We've managed to persuade around 4.6% of the republican voters. That ain't gonna get us any loving come convention time. People here have advocated "stealing" the convention. So its okay to compromise the voting rights of 95% of the republican voters, just as long as your ideals are intact? I have always believed that the purpose of this Revolution was to convince enough Americans that its time we returned to the Constitution. Am I incorrect in this belief? Well, this time around we don't seem to have convinced enough people. I wish it was otherwise. And honestly, I would certainly do anything it took at the convention to get Dr. Paul nominated, but I would be honest with myself as to the reasons and rationalizations.
Facilitating the illusion
Facilitating the illusion that one could choose the lesser of two evils.
and we are going to get limited government from a
socialist messiah and a demo-socialist Congress? Where will be the balance of power in THAT combination. Where will be the gridlock to stop the worst of what the demo-socialists pass in Congress? Hussein O. will sign anything that promotes central government they send to him.
I"d almost rather have McShame as he and Congress will get into hissy-fits with each other and maybe he'll veto something now and again.
As for getting us into wars, Hussein O. said he would send US troops into Pakistan in search of Bin Laden whether Pakistan invited us or not. He said this in a public debate and President Mushaarraf in Pakistan responded to Hussein O. directly! He said that if Hussein O. did that, he would consider the American invaders. Great. Just what we need.
I could also bring up the "humanitarian" military missions Hussein O. is sure to promote..like troops into Darfur or Rwanda or Ivory Coast or Kenya...wake up.