Gotta hand it to you Daily Paulers!!!! Check out Drudge ...

I just wonder why none of this could have come up BEFORE all of McCain's primary victories, which the MSM has used skillfully to play up McCain's "frontrunner" status. I've talked to people while canvassing in my neighborhood lately and following up, and other people around town who saw my bumper sticker or T-shirt, and they all seem to think Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because of McCain's primary victories. How unfortunate.

By the way, you know I had a thought. I happened to hear Neal Boortz today (I'm NOT a regular listener, but there was nothing else on) and he said, along with a caller, that in open primary states the opposite party members tend to vote for the WORST candidate in the other party, just to make it that much easier for their party's candidate to win. It's a theory, but it just might be true. In addition to vote fraud, there may have been Democrats purposely voting for John McCain, knowing how sinister he appears and how war-mongering he is, so that it would be that much easier for Obama or Hillary to win. Personally, I don't think there would have been many people to vote like that, but you know, politics is all screwed up all over.

Go to https://forms.house.gov/w... and use 44102-3198 for the zip code. This will bring up a form to use to contact Dennis. Paste this in the message window and ask what he can do to help us. That is what I did today. Feel free to not only contact Dennis, but your Congressional Rep. too.

RESOLUTION
OPPOSING INELIGIBLE CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRECINCT # _____________
SENATE DISTRICT # _____________
_____________ COUNTY, TEXAS

WHEREAS, the 14th Amendment and matching regulations limit citizenship to natural born and naturalized.

WHEREAS, John McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.

WHEREAS, 8 USC 1403(a) declares naturalized citizenship in 1952 on persons born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.

WHEREAS, 8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain at age 16.

WHEREAS, John McCain is a naturalized citizen.

WHEREAS, the Canal Zone was not part of the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain was not born in the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain is a citizen not born in the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain is not a natural born citizen.

WHEREAS, Article II of the Constitution states to be President a person must be a natural born citizen.

WHEREAS, John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution.

WHEREAS, John McCain should be disqualified from running for President and should be decertified and removed from all present and future Presidential ballots, and his past results should be disallowed.
THEREFORE LET IT BE RESOLVED that the Republican Party of Texas will update Party rules to leave uncommitted, delegates of a non-qualified candidates for President of the United States; and
LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED that this resolution be passed to the rules committee of the appropriate District and the State of Texas for full consideration.

Adopted by Precinct # _______ in Senatorial District # _____ of ____________ County, Texas on March 4, 2008.

Precinct Convention Chair _______________________________________

_______________________ County, Texas

Telephone __________________________

Sincerely,

[Your name]
[Your address]

Regarding John McCain’s official birth status as defined by the Constitution, as the Times article points out, this is an important point of Constitutional Law that needs to be resolved, once and for all. The key though to resolving such an important Constitutional issue by the highest court America is that such a case would first hinge on the fact that the person or persons bring the case to this Court must have strong “LEGAL STANDING” or it will just be disregarded. Doctor Ron Paul, I believe, may be the only person in the country, at the present moment in time, with such strong standing. He is both a lawfully elected senior member, in good standing of the United States Congress and he also, in a lawfully and direct competition with John McCain for the Republican Nomination for President of the United States. The fact that he is a member of Congress gives him a special and historical right to petition the Supreme Court directly and the fact that both reasons rise to the Federal level, gives him, I believe, a very strong legal standing.

just gave it a brief mention!!!!!!! (yah, i know ABC sucks but it's the only channel we get).

Fortune Favors the Bold

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

InSane's ineligibility has been noted on Fark.com, Drudge, and now, again on Fark! Their headlne this time:

"All Presidential frontrunners who are natural-born citizens making them Constitutionally eligible to be President, take one step forward.... Not so fast, John McCain"

Their link goes to this article at the International Herald Tribune (seems to be the same article as ran in the NY Times).

And tonight, my mom, who lives out of state from me, called to let me know of something she had heard on her local radio, having to do with InSane's ineligibility due to his not being a natural-born citizen...

Word's definitely getting out, far and wide! Between this and all the other woes befalling InSane, I'm beginning to sense that there may soon be a whooooole lot of freshly-available delegates to woo for RP...

So we'll see what he does with it. Meant to do that anyway.

The part of the New York Times story that sent chills up my spine is:

Ms. Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter.

http://www.iht.com/articl...
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"Don't pursue happiness. Create it."

Nice try, but this argument is null and void from the beginning.

Did you already forget? Believing that this argument holds any water, requires one to believe that our government actually follows the constitution.

Tell me how many senators and congressmen actually vote according to the constitution. If they are perfectly happy with voting away our 4th amendment rights, I surely doubt they will feel too bad about turning a blind eye to the facts here. You won't even need a 2/3 vote, because there will be no vote. There will be no issue. They simply don't care, and they could also care less that we are aware of this!

The canal zone thing seems like it's a non-starter...
Where we CAN get the old SOB is on the loan he got and the fact that he used his government matching funds as collateral. This dog will HUNT.

is the collapsing dollar and below that how Abu Dhabi investment fund is changing the financial landscape and McCain may be ineligible for to run for president. We are witnessing in real time what Ron Paul has been talking about for months.

Drudge is huge, MSM most certainly looks at it for any nuggets it can find. McCain and Huckabee are in for a wild week, yes it's Wednesday already, but it's all good for us :-)
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work on legal reasons why Obama is not eligible to run for President.

do you have a link?

New York Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/20...

UPDATED: McCain Is NOT Eligible!--an analysis of NO according to the law
Posted February 12th, 2008 by Tannim

UPDATED: This is the final draft, and I think it's put together a lot better and is more complete. Thanks for all of the feedback and encouragement on this. Please note I have the original dated and timestamped and saved off in a secure location so we won't lose it.

SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE!

Also posted on my blog at http://muddythoughts.blog....

THE PANAMANCHURIAN CANDIDATE:

Why John McCain is INELIGIBLE to be President of the United States

Introduction

The question has been raised of citizenship on John McCain in terms of his eligibility to be President. Please follow this closely as it is lengthy, bit it shows that he is NOT eligible to be President. The usual disclaimer of “I am not lawyer and this is not legal advice and should not be taken as such blah blah etc.” applies.

To properly answer this eligibility question, we need to examine what the Constitution says on the issue, what the federal law says on the issue, what the federal regulatory policy is on the issue, and the legal status of John McCain’s place of birth. All of this will determine what makes him eligible to be President, or not.

The Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment 14, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

From Article II, it’s clear that to be President one must be a “natural born” citizen.

From the 14th Amendment, a US citizen is a person either born or naturalized in the United States (not both as they are mutually exclusive, more on that below). There is no third type of citizenship.

To be complete, first we must answer the question of whether or not John McCain is in fact a citizen. The answer and its references also help answer the natural born question as well.

In legal circles the Latin terms of reference are jus soli (“right of the soil”) for born in the United States, and jus sanguinis (“right of blood”) for born to citizen parents. Naturalization is referred to by lex soli (“law of the soil”). John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 to American parents, so jus sanguinis definitely applies to him, and is not in dispute here. But jus sanguinis has no basis in US law (only jus soli and lex soli do) except through applying legislation such as INA below (see the next section), so it falls under lex soli. And therein is the question: Is a citizen born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 a citizen under jus soli or lex soli (born or naturalized)?

The Untied States Code:

A quick look at 8 USC 1400 appears to answers the question. That section of the United States Code comes directly from the Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA) of 1952, which was passed when McCain was 16 years old. First, we must answer the citizenship question.

If you look at 8 USC 1401(a) and (c), you find this:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

If you look at 8 USC 1403(a), it addressed McCain’s situation rather clearly:

(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.

So it’s pretty clear that John McCain is a citizen.

But is he a natural born (jus soli) citizen or a naturalized (lex soli) citizen? This is where it gets tricky.

Because 8 USC 1403(a) uses the term “is declared to be a citizen” (emphasis added), that leans heavily towards a lex soli position (naturalization). And persons born to citizens between November 1903 (when Panama became independent from Colombia with U.S. intervention) and February 1904 are not declared citizens under this section, which indicates that the declaration of citizenship is simply naturalization and not by birth since it is dependent on the law and a calendar date.

Furthermore, naturalization is defined in 8 USC 1101(a)(23):

(a) As used in this chapter—
(23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.

In other words, naturalization means a person is made, conferred, or “declared” a citizen after birth, leaving “natural born” to only mean becoming a citizen at birth. This is consistent with 8 USC 1403(a), which was enacted when John McCain was 16 years old. So at 16 years old John McCain was naturalized as a citizen by legislation, that legislation being the INA.

But is there anything more concrete than that? The Supreme Court has never addressed the specifics of a natural born citizen, except once in passing, in the dissent of the infamous Dred Scott case, of all places, so it really has no bearing. Other cases have looked at citizenship, but not specifically the natural born part of it.

Historically, the term “natural born” was put in Article II at the request of John Jay (who later helped write the Federalist Papers, became the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and pointed out in 1796 that jury nullification is a right and duty of the people) to George Washington in a letter from 25 July 1787.

McCain has claimed that the Naturalization Act of 1790 (26 March 1790) covers his status as a natural born citizen. That is not true. A close look at the Act indicates that it only covers “admission as a citizen” (meaning naturalization), and that Act was repealed in part 29 January 1795 and again in total 14 April 1802. So that argument does not work because it was repealed and because it creates naturalization instead of natural born citizenship.

Federal Policy:

It turns out there actually is something more concrete than just the USC mentioned above, and that is the regulations put forth by the State Department on citizenship. Specifically, 7 FAM 1100 addresses the situation quite clearly:

7 FAM 1111.2 Citizenship
(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
a. U.S. citizenship may be acquired either at birth or through naturalization.
b. U.S. laws governing the acquisition of citizenship at birth embody two legal principles:
(1) Jus soli (the law of the soil), a rule of common law under which the place of a person’s birth determines citizenship. In addition to common law, this principle is embodied in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the various U.S. citizenship and nationality statutes.
(2) Jus sanguinis (the law of the bloodline), a concept of Roman or civil law under which a person’s citizenship is determined by the citizenship of one or both parents. This rule, frequently called “citizenship by descent” or “derivative citizenship”, is not embodied in the U.S. Constitution, but such citizenship is granted through statute. As laws have changed, the requirements for conferring and retaining derivative citizenship have also changed.

7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States"
(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

So citizenship is either by birth or naturalization, according to 7 FAM 1111.2(a) here and noted above. Furthermore, the principle of jus sanguinis is NOT part of the law, except by statute (lex soli) according to 7 FAM 1111.2(b)(2) here and also noted above.

The regulation at 7 FAM 1116.1-4(c) puts forth the idea of a birth in a military installation aboard as not part of the United States under the 14th Amendment, and therefore children born there must be naturalized in order to be considered citizens.

For 7 FAM 1116.1-4(c) to apply to John McCain, then, it must be shown that the Canal Zone was not “in the United States”.

That brings us back to 8 USC 1101(a)(38):

(38) The term “United States”, except as otherwise specifically herein provided, when used in a geographical sense, means the continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands of the United States.

Note the Canal Zone is not listed. However, since the Canal Zone is no longer under United States control as of January 1, 2000, this is only an indicator and not conclusive.

To get a better understanding of the status of the Canal Zone, we look at the relevant treaties. The first one is the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty of 1903, which established the Canal Zone for the actual building of the Panama Canal. The second one is Torrijos-Carter Treaty of 1977, which transitioned the Canal Zone control back to Panama by December 31, 1999.

Who Owned The Canal Zone?

Was the Canal Zone actually a territory under United States law, or was it just a leased area?

To answer that question, we look at the original Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty of 1903, negotiated by Theodore Roosevelt and his Secretary of State John Hay.

Of note are both Article II and Article III:

Article II

The Republic of Panama grants to the United States in perpetuity, the use, occupation and control of a zone of land and land under water for the construction, maintenance, operation, sanitation and protection of said Canal of the width of ten miles extending to the distance of five miles on each side of the center line of the route of the Canal to be constructed; the said zone beginning in the Caribbean Sea three marine miles from mean low water mark and extending to and across the Isthmus of Panama into the Pacific Ocean to a distance of three marine miles from mean low water mark with the proviso that the cities of Panama and Colon and the harbors adjacent to said cities, which are included within the boundaries of the zone above described, shall not be included within this grant. The Republic of Panama further grants to the United States in perpetuity, the use, occupation and control of any other lands and waters outside of the zone above described which may be necessary and convenient for the construction, maintenance, operation, sanitation and protection of the said Canal or of any auxiliary canals or other works necessary and convenient for the construction, maintenance, operation, sanitation and protection of the said enterprise.

The Republic of Panama further grants in like manner to the United States in perpetuity, all islands within the limits of the zone above described and in addition thereto, the group of small islands in the Bay of Panama, named Perico, Naos, Culebra and Flamenco.

Article III

The Republic of Panama grants to the United States all the rights, power and authority within the zone mentioned and described in Article II of this agreement, and within the limits of all auxiliary lands and waters mentioned and described in said Article II which the United States would possess and exercise, if it were the sovereign of the territory within which said lands and waters are located to the entire exclusion of the exercise by the Republic of Panama of any such sovereign rights, power or authority.

Note that Article II Panama grants the United States “the use, occupation and control of a zone of land and land under water” for the Canal. It does NOT say it cedes that land to the United States, not does it say that Panama grants ownership of the land to the United States, just use and control of it. This is a lease, not a transfer of real estate, and therefore Panama still owned the land. Article III is exactly the same in nature, but it applies to auxiliary areas if Panama owns them. Read the sovereign clause carefully as the “it” in there refers to Panama, not the United States.

Also of note is the resource use grant in Article IV:

Article IV

As rights subsidiary to the above grants the Republic of Panama grants in perpetuity, to the United States the right to use the rivers, streams, lakes and other bodies of water within its limits for navigation, the supply of water or waterpower or other purposes, so far as the use of said rivers, streams, lakes and bodies of water and the waters thereof may be necessary and convenient for the construction, maintenance, operation, sanitation and protection of the said Canal.

In other words, the landowner (Panama) granted water rights to the lessee (United States).

Further, note the payment schedule in Article XIV:

Article XIV

As the price or compensation for the rights, powers and privileges granted in this convention by the Republic of Panama to the United States, the Government of the United States agrees to pay to the Republic of Panama the sum of ten million dollars ($10,000,000) in gold coin of the United States on the exchange of the ratification of this convention and also an annual payment during the life of this convention of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($250,000) in like gold coin, beginning nine years after the date aforesaid.

Notice it never says these payments are compensation for the land, just the “rights, powers, and privileges” to use it. This is RENT.

One last part adds to the lease argument, Article XXV:

Article XXV

For the better performance of the engagements of this convention and to the end of the efficient protection of the Canal and the preservation of its neutrality, the Government of the Republic of Panama will sell or lease to the United States lands adequate and necessary for the naval or coaling stations on the Pacific coast and on the western Caribbean coast of the Republic at certain points to be agreed upon with the President of the United States.

If the United States owned the Canal Zone land, thereby making it a United States territory, then this clause would not be necessary as they could build such stations within the zone, and this clause would not have been necessary.

It’s pretty clear from the original treaty the Canal Zone was actually Panamanian land leased to the United States.

The Torrijos-Carter Treaty of 1977 further backs this up:

Article I

2. In accordance with the terms of this Treaty and related agreements, the Republic of Panama, as territorial sovereign, grants to the United States of America, for the duration of this Treaty, the rights necessary to regulate the transit of ships through the Panama Canal, and to manage, operate, maintain, improve, protect and defend the Canal. The Republic of Panama guarantees to the United States of America the peaceful use of the land and water areas which it has been granted the rights to use for such purposes pursuant to this Treaty and related agreements.

Note this treaty declares Panama as the territorial sovereign, meaning they own the land and water, and they grant to the United States use of the land and water.

It is conclusive that the Panama Canal Zone was Panamanian sovereign land administered and operated under treaty by the United States, and that popular belief that the Canal Zone was a United States territory is mistaken. This also is consistent with the State Department regulations in 7 FAM 1100 and 8 USC 1403(a) cited above.

Since the Canal Zone was not “in the United States” with respect to the 14th Amendment, it must follow that the only place it can be is outside the United States. John McCain was born outside the United States in the Canal Zone, and as we have already seen, was covered under 8 USC 1403(a).

If you look again at 8 USC 1401(c) and 1403(a), you see a big difference. 8 USC 1401(c) address births outside the U.S., meaning clearly that the “born in the United States” clause of the 14th Amendment cannot apply to this form of citizenship. Therefore a person that falls under 8 USC 1401(c) has to be a naturalized citizen. 8 USC 1403(a) already “declares” citizenship and implies naturalization. The only logical conclusion is that the Canal Zone was considered to be outside the United States, else these sections (8 USC 1401(c) and 8 USC 1403(a)) never needed to be codified into law in the first place, and 8 USC 1401(a) would apply instead (see above).

Conclusion

That leads us all back to the Constitutional requirements. The citizenship definitions of both Article II and Amendment 14 apply in terms of McCain running for President.

So, tying it all together so far:

1. The 14th Amendment and matching regulations limit citizenship to natural born and naturalized.
2. John McCain was born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.
3. 8 USC 1403(a) declares naturalized citizenship on persons born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.
4. Therefore 8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain.
5. Therefore John McCain is a naturalized citizen.
6. The Canal Zone was not part of the United States.
7. Therefore John McCain was not born in the United States.
8. Therefore John McCain is a citizen not born in the United States.
9. Therefore John McCain is not a natural born citizen.
10. Article II of the Constitution states to be President a person must be a natural born citizen.
11. THEREFORE John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution.

Sources:
• Latin terms from Black’s Law Dictionary.
• State Department Regulations from http://www.state.gov/docu...
• United States Code from Findlaw.
• Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty of 1903 from http://www.bartleby.com/4...
• Torrijos-Carter Treaty of 1977 from http://www.state.gov/p/wh...

February 14, 2008

as being of any genuine importance. However, at this stage of the game, and given the circumstances faced by our candidate, it is a small piece of something that might grow into something larger.......to stop McCain. Therefore, I think I want to help "grow" this issue.

In case you missed it, I have taken the info re: InSane's ineligibility, and created a two-page flier for anyone to print out and distribute at will. Details can be found here.

The issue of his ineligibility has been mentioned on Fark; now it's on Drudge...my, my; combined with all the other, er, product hitting InSane's fan, that poor boy's got a lot to deal with right now. (insert evil cackle of delight here!)

Can't wait to see how this goes, gotta love it !
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ought to be fun to see him have ANOTHER issue confronting him----regardless of whether or not it sticks! Watching his snarling mug will be priceless!