McCain Not Eligible Covered By Cnn - Poll Now

Posted February 28th, 2008 by lastmovement

I posted this towards the end of jan. Now MSM is picking up on it. This morning news covered it and is running a poll on their website.

They put the poll up to see what we think. We already thought and dont want McPain or another illegal president.

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Interesting comment from that Fox article - READ THIS

On March 1st, 2008 gseattle says:

Comment by Greg
February 28th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I was born in Berlin, Germany in 1954. My parents were both American citizens born in the United States. My birth ceritificate indicates a US Army hospital in Berlin. When I turned 18 I recieved a letter from the German Consulate in Washington, D.C. asking me if I was going to retain my German citizenship, which I declined. I had no “proof” of US citizenship and was instructed by US Immigration Office to obtain a certificate of US citizenship. I provided all the requested information and went through the whole cermony of becoming a American citizen. Does Johm McCain have a Certificate of US Citizenship? If he really is an American Citizen then he should have a certificate indicating so, or was not done becaase he was the son of an Admiral? Even with a certificate I’m not considered a “natrual born” citizen, but rather a American Citizen born outside the US to American parents, there is a difference. According to the US Constituion, there is a BIG difference.

Same with my daughter.

On March 3rd, 2008 Devon_Saunders says:

She was born in Germany in 1984 on an Air Base, the product of two American citizens. We were told at the time that she was a dual national, which meant that she would be given her choice of citizenship when she was of age. The only restriction we were told she had was that she could not run for President. We joked about it at the time, as we were not exactly political. At 18, she recieved her paperwork from the German consolate and declined her German citizenship. So she is a US citizen, but not elegible to run for POTUS.

Very interesting.

On March 1st, 2008 Ron Aldof says:

Glad you invoked this into the conversation. Great point. I think Mr. McCain should show his citizenship. It should be brought to light so all Americans can see it. This should be brought to the front page and pushed onto the MSM. Thank You.

www.ronpaul2008.com

There is life at the end of the tunnel my friends!

This

On February 29th, 2008 betterhalf says:

This is not going to be decided by some stupid poll

McCain messed up this morning

On February 29th, 2008 lastmovement says:

He called himself a Conservative LIBERAL
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Verbal gaffes are not proof

On February 29th, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

Verbal gaffes are not proof of anything. Who cares?

Uh...

On March 1st, 2008 Hobbes82 says:

100 years, anyone?

That wasn't a verbal gaffe.

On March 1st, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

That wasn't a verbal gaffe. He really was talking out of his tailpipe.

DEAN!

On March 1st, 2008 lastmovement says:

What happen to Howard Dean?

Its not proof but its his old ass slipping.
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McCain Withheld Controversial Abramoff Email too

On February 28th, 2008 lastmovement says:

On the stump, Sen. John McCain often cites his work tackling the excesses of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff as evidence of his sturdy ethical compass.

A little-known document, however, shows that McCain may have taken steps to protect his Republican colleagues from the scope of his investigation.

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Mine posted fine

On February 28th, 2008 mrmrkie says:

this is what I posted on the fox noise site and about 10 minutes later it was posted:

Comment by mark
February 28th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
After having three serious contenders running for president ( Barry Goldwater was born in Ariz. when it was still a territory, George Romney, Mitt’s father, was born in Mexico, and Senator John McCain who was born in Panama ) who faced the “natural born” dilemma, this matter needs to be settled once and for all. Senator McCain has cited a Congressional act in 1790 that he says clears the way for his eligibility, but if a legislative act is in opposition to the Constitution (Article II and also the 14th Amendment), Constitutional law trumps it and it is deemed “unconstitutional”. The only ways to Constitutionally clarify this is either by amendment, or by a decision of the Supreme Court. This is in no way bringing into question Sen. McCain’s character, or his service to his country, or even his fitness to serve. If we are a nation of law, then we must follow our law and we need to clear this matter up as quickly as possible.

Mark

"When even one American -- who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." Harry S. Truman

That's because you left out a spot

On March 3rd, 2008 Tannim says:

You left out that the 1790 Act was repealed in part in 1795 and in toto in 1802. That's why they let it through--it perpetuates the myth.

McCain Eligible?

On February 28th, 2008 Swifty says:

This has just been covered on Bloomberg too :-)

And here's an interesting aritcle about it (No1 most emailed article today - No2 in 7 days - No4 in 30 days)

http://www.iht.com/articl...

Sorry

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

My mind must be slipping with the dollar. Where is the poll? Could you put up a link so I can vote accordingly?

Found It

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

83% no

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Pr...

Now at 83%

On February 28th, 2008 fanofwalt says:

As of 2:00pm EST:
Yes: 17%
No: 83%

My daughter (I am active

On February 28th, 2008 jmhenderson says:

My daughter (I am active duty navy) was born overseas and I was told she would never be able to run for president because of that.

I emailed my dad this AM (he is retired army)about it and here is what he said about 2 of my brothers that were born overseas. (exact copy paste of his reply)

"I read up on this some this morning, & it seems that a child of a US citizen born overseas is considered to be a "natural born citizen". I was a bit surprised by that. When James & Jeremy were born in Germany, I was told that their US State Department Birth Certificate showed that they were US citizens, but because they weren't born on US soil, they couldn't run for the office of President. So I don't know. I'm sure that someone will disect this to pieces before the election. Maybe it's a good thing that Mike Huckabee didn't bow out.

true

On February 28th, 2008 ramnailz says:

I have friends who had kids oversees. they said the same thing.

I'm not sure I buy that Military are special.

On February 28th, 2008 funkmasterizzy says:

If a Haliburton contractor who is a US citizen working in Iraq on our behalf has a child on a Haliburton compound, is it a natural born Citizen? What if it is a woman and nobody knows who really is the father?

What if it is US service woman who doesn't know who the father really is?

What if the parents are US servicemen who are not US citizens but legal residents and have a child born on a US base?

Why would some in this country jump at the chance to deport spouses and children of our military because they aren't legal? The reason is, just because you are in the military, you aren't special. And neither should JM be.

its not that military are special,

On February 28th, 2008 ramnailz says:

its the place that they are born, embassies are considered U.S. soil but........people aren't born on the embassies.

What?

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

No one is talking about deporting anyone. We are just talking about Presidential requirements of the Constitution.

That's a big deal here in CA

On February 28th, 2008 funkmasterizzy says:

Appearently we have some servicemen who are legal residents and are eventually going to get citizenship via their military service who have spouses and/or children who are here illegally. The soldiers were freaked out because thier families where being threatened with deportation because of their status or misfiling of paperwork.

My point is, that just because you are in the military doesn't mean you are special in the eyes of the government. I don't think you should be granted all kinds of special acceptions because they don't apply across the board to all members of the service, nor does it apply the same to plain US citizens.

Would ya'll consider a child born to US legal resident (not citizens) military parents on an overseas military base a natural born Citizen? Why or why not? Or if the child was born in a nearby hospital instead of on the base. Catch my drift?

no,

On February 28th, 2008 ramnailz says:

because it is the rules of the Constitution and we must uphold them, and plus, that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here!

The rules of the Constitution say you have to be born in the USA

On February 28th, 2008 funkmasterizzy says:

If people are declaring Military Bases to be US soil, then why wouldn't children of legal residents (but not citizens) born on military bases be considered natural born citizens? Isn't that a slap in face to anyone who would serve our country?

The rules of the Constitution clearly state you have to be born in the US. Sorry Johnny, you may be a naturalized citizen but your not natural born.

Idiots. This is not a matter

On February 28th, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

Idiots. This is not a matter for polls. If pressed, it could possibly end up in the Supreme Court, but that is extremely unlikely.

You Sir

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

I am not sure about your Ron Paul support and suspect you may be for McCain. I base this on your name calling of Ron Paul supporters and this shows your fear for our upcoming actions against McCain. In any event, name calling will not keep us down. It sure as hell did not keep Ron Paul down when the main stream media first started calling him "The crazy Uncle no one listens to."

dave mac

On February 29th, 2008 betterhalf says:

has called at least a dozen people names and driven several supporters off ths site..he is the one you should be leary of..No one really cares what you think sonny

Huh?

On March 3rd, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

"has called at least a dozen people names and driven several supporters off ths site..he is the one you should be leary of"

I'm supposed to be afraid of this.... why?

And how much have you sent

On February 29th, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

And how much have you sent to the campaign, son? Stuff it.

IDIOTS?

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

Nothing wrong with attempting to use the system against our rivals. They have been doing that against Ron Paul for quite some time. Our job in the grassroots is to stand up.

Use The Rules Against McCain

On February 28th, 2008 TimG says:

Go to https://forms.house.gov/w... This will bring up a form to use to contact your Congressman. Paste this in the message window and ask what he can do to help us. That is what I did today. We need to use the rules that we have in place to squash out competition.

RESOLUTION
OPPOSING INELIGIBLE CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRECINCT # _____________
SENATE DISTRICT # _____________
_____________ COUNTY, TEXAS

WHEREAS, the 14th Amendment and matching regulations limit citizenship to natural born and naturalized.

WHEREAS, John McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.

WHEREAS, 8 USC 1403(a) declares naturalized citizenship in 1952 on persons born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents.

WHEREAS, 8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain at age 16.

WHEREAS, John McCain is a naturalized citizen.

WHEREAS, the Canal Zone was not part of the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain was not born in the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain is a citizen not born in the United States.

WHEREAS, John McCain is not a natural born citizen.

WHEREAS, Article II of the Constitution states to be President a person must be a natural born citizen.

WHEREAS, John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution.

WHEREAS, John McCain should be disqualified from running for President and should be decertified and removed from all present and future Presidential ballots, and his past results should be disallowed.
THEREFORE LET IT BE RESOLVED that the Republican Party of Texas will update Party rules to leave uncommitted, delegates of a non-qualified candidates for President of the United States; and
LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED that this resolution be passed to the rules committee of the appropriate District and the State of Texas for full consideration.

Adopted by Precinct # _______ in Senatorial District # _____ of ____________ County, Texas on March 4, 2008.

Precinct Convention Chair _______________________________________

_______________________ County, Texas

Telephone __________________________

Sincerely,

[Your name]
[Your address]

I was for this too, but

On February 28th, 2008 Desiree says:

I was for this too, but someone from my meetup group enlightened me: This goes against what Dr. Paul stands for and what we should stand for.... citizenship is NOT based on where you were born but on your parent's nationality....

This from the main site issues section:

"End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. "

Your comment is so flawed it's almost impossible to respond...

On February 28th, 2008 Tracy says:

...but I'll try.

First, you have to understand that Ron Paul was only talking about illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for the sole purpose of giving birth to a child. Ending birthright citizenship only applies to illegal immigrants, as legal immigrants would already be a degree of a naturalized citizens (depending on the visa issued) at the time they give birth to any children.

"...citizenship is NOT based on where you were born but on your parent's nationality...."

This is almost circular thinking that never branches off into a complete thought, and you actually prove yourself incorrect.

Actually, Ron Paul is saying that one should be in America legally, regardless of nationality, before her baby is automatically an American. It has nothing to do with where the illegal immigrant came from.

If citizenship is based on nationality, then citizenship IS based on where you were born. A person's nationality is based on the nation he/she was born in. If your parents' nationality is...say... Mexican, it is because they were born in Mexico. If they have a child in the U.S., that child is not a Mexican. That child is an American. Which is why Ron Paul wants to end birthright citizenship: it attracts people to sneak across the border, become illegal immigrants and give birth to a baby inside the U.S. If you end birthright citizenship, there is a drastic reduction in the benefits to Illegal Immigrants of giving birth in America.

Ethnicity is what is independent of nationality. If a black man is born in Germany, his nationality is German. His ethnicity is African (of African descent), but his nationality is not African.

"I was for this too, but someone from my meetup group enlightened me: This goes against what Dr. Paul stands for and what we should stand for...."

How does this go against what Ron Paul stands for? Ron Paul is all about the Constitution...and following it. The Constitution says a person must be born within the borders of a state of the Union to be eligible for the office of the president.

Now, I really don't understand how any of what you said about illegal immigration ties into this entire thread. McCain was instantly a "naturalized citizen" when he was born to two U.S. citizens AND being born on a military base. But he was not a "natural born" citizen because he was not born inside one of the 50 states of the Union (TX, CA, OK, etc.).

So you can believe it again. Citizenship and Immigration are two different things when it comes to the Presidency and you have mixed the two up severely.

Reread your comment this way, and you'll see why none of what you said makes any sense: Citizenship is NOT based on where you were born but on your parent's nationality, which is why we should end birthright citizenship.

See? Citizenship is based on being born inside the U.S. and through our Immigration system that grants citizenship. Citizenship is not based on nationality or ethnicity. If that were the case, only Native American Indians would be U.S. Citizens.

This from the main site issues section:

"End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong."

And then you point to the main site like that proves McCain is a "natural born" citizen.

You know what, I don't know why I'm even wasting my time.

"You know what, I don't know

On March 1st, 2008 justjenmi says:

"You know what, I don't know why I'm even wasting my time."

Tracy, I for one appreciated your post. I haven't really explored this issue as it relates to McCain all that deeply, so I was happy to read your post as I thought it provided really good information! Please keep in mind that even if the person you are responding to may not get it, there are others here that find your info very useful :-)

It's interesting. They wish

On February 29th, 2008 FreeRonPaul says:

It's interesting. They wish to treat being "American" as if it were some kind of genetic gift. Bizarro World, here we come.

Let's make this clear

On February 28th, 2008 yonemoto says:

I think Dr. Paul is also okay with it if LEGAL immigrants have children in the country, who become citizens.

So it's not a complete end to birthright citizenship.

However, this will take an amendment to the 14th amendment.

From a Constitutional standpoint...

On February 28th, 2008 Stephanie4RP says:

this assertion is wrong, as well.

On the State Department website it says that "jus sanguinis" (law of the bloodline) is NOT embodied in the Constitution, but that citizenship is granted through statute.

This whole argument is based on unconstitutional laws....there are retroactive laws and statutes that allow McCain to run, but they circumvent the original intent of the Constitution....like so many laws do.....

true

On February 28th, 2008 ramnailz says:

but the state department can't fall back on laws that were passed, but contradict the Constitution, so therefore, this is the paper, rock, scissors, thing, and the Constitution is the Rock, and that stupid law is scissors.

explanation

On February 28th, 2008 yonemoto says:

Remember, there are rights which you might have that are not explicitly enumerated in the constitution.

Also, congress has the power to expand the citizenry beyond what is minimally guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

There are about 160 reasons why granting Jus Sanguinis is a really really good idea. Those 160 reasons are the countries where Jus Soli are not honored. Basically, any child of an american citizen born in such a country (even if say the child of a military dependent) will be a countryless individual.

That is exactly the problem that Germany has with the Turks.

DROP THIS ONE MCCAIN CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT

On February 28th, 2008 OctoBox says:

I'm a 1988 supporter of Ron Paul, trained in Economics, yadda yadda, and long time political "amatuer" analyst -- I love the blogosphere.

McCain's father was stationed, ordered, by the U.S Gov't to Panama -- He was not a Panamanian Loyalst, nor is McCain's mother a Panamanian. He's American by virtue of this fact.

Now, I can see the argument from a Libertarian standpoint, we do not want people coming to the U.S and getting citizenship just because they pop a squat on U.S soil. The "wrongness" is citizenship by birth -- I say you are a "citizen" based on the citezen status of your parents. If you're parents are naturalized citizens or by birth and are living here in the U.S or visiting some foreign country then that child is American, period!

I don't want McCain either, but he's as Panamanian as I am Cuban -- My parents immigrated here, then became citizens, then had me -- I'm American so is McCain!!

Ron Paul 2008

Octobox
Wisdom is the anticipation of consequences!

Good grief, go read the blog already!

On March 3rd, 2008 Tannim says:

OctoBox, you are really not in the loop as to "what is" in terms of the issue. Go read the post first before making such uninformed statements.

It's at either http://www.dailypaul.com/... or http://muddythoughts.blog...

McCain may be a citizen, but he sure isn't natural born, and THAT'S what matters!

Fox News is banning all anti-McCain comments on the web

On February 28th, 2008 zamboni says:

Post a comment. Check it out. IF you write yes he should be president it will be approved if you don't it won't.

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A Dangerous Issue

On February 28th, 2008 BryanM says:

I could not get anything through either. Obviously this is a very real and dangerous issue to McCain.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

On February 28th, 2008 Tannim says:

Which makes me wonder YTF they wrote the thing in the first place.

The CNN poll on this question

On February 28th, 2008 austrianschool says:

is at:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Pr...

Now at 82% - NO

81% NO @ 11:00 am, EDT

On February 28th, 2008 brainon4u2 says:

19% Yes

Here's some good stuff on a

On February 28th, 2008 xciteful says:

Here's some good stuff on a blog with American service people chiming
in. About time this is coming around and some REAL sunlight is being
focused upon the issue....

AND

it's kinda fun to see all you naysayers get poked in the eye for doubting
the whole story from the first time the info was posted on DP.

http://primapanama.blogs....