Lets talk about tomorrow's primaries....please read!!!
Posted March 4th, 2008 by GiveMeLiberty
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As of today, McCain has 874 bound or pledged delegates and 33 unbound or unpledged delegates. He needs 1,191 BOUND delegates for the nomination.
see here....
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DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MSM TOMORROW if McCain wins Ohio and Texas and they say he has the nomination locked up.....THEY COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!!!!!!
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First of all, Texas is NOT A WINNER TAKE ALL STATE!!!!! Secondly, ALL of Ohio's delegates are unbound or unpledged!!!!
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McCain needs 317 BOUND delegates, even if he was awarded all of Texas' 137 bound delegates (which he is not going to get), he would still be 180 delegates short.
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If he wins all of Ohio's delegates, it HAS NO EFFECT on his bound delegate count, which is the ONLY count that matters.
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After tomorrow's primaries, there are only 377 bound delegates left available that can be won in the remaining primaries.
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I will revisit the math following tomorrow's primaries.....it is going to be tight folks.....
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And don't forget.......not all of the delegates show up at the convention........so McCain is out of luck.......
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Wikipedia says McCain has it
I haven't been following all this closely, nor do I understand all the details, but I happened to notice that according to Wikipedia this morning, John McCain has the Republican nomination sewn up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
See "In the news"
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
"On March 4, US Senator John McCain passed that total to win the primaries and became the presumptive Republican nominee. McCain will become the nominee officially at the September convention."
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
See sidebar: "Candidate: John McCain"
Of course I know that, contrary to popular belief, Wikipedia isn't an "authority" about anything, since anyone can edit an article (thus I automatically consider any Wikipedia article on a "sensitive" subject suspect); someone who understands this process better might edit these articles to make them more accurate.
Voted today in...
The Peoples Republic of Ohio...the Cincinnati sector. The trusty Diebold system was the daily fare here. Felt good to vote for Dr. Paul...best vote I ever cast. Dr. Paul has no chance of winning anything here that is for sure. As a precinct leader I can tell you that most Ohioan's are under-educated, over-propogandized, mis-informed, dis-informed and are mostly obedient sheep waiting to be led to slaughter. Wish it weren't so but it is. The only signs I saw today were for local hacks...The lady next to me in line asked for a republican ballot...she was told by the poll worker that she was registered as a democrat. They had her fill out a piece of paper to change her registration from democrat to republican? I was under the impresion that Ohio law states that you can change party affiliation no less than 30 days out from the election...Guess not. I expect the Diebold machines will generate the desired outcome. Welcome to the banana republic my friends!
cnn have mccain with 977 delegates ????
is cnn lying again or does mccain really have 977 bound delegates?
can some one please confirm.
much love from here in the uk.
no, he has 874
they are full of sh*t
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right, what you said
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Onward ladies and gents, and anyone in between..
it ain't over yet. To the convention!!!!!!
"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius
I agree...
...that we shouldn't listen to MSM for a delegate report, but at the same time we shouldn't allow them to print crap w/o letting them know we know they're printing crap.
for instance:
http://projects.washingto...
geez...they have RP at zero
load of nonsense......
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Ron Paul has said he'll stay
Ron Paul has said he'll stay in the race as long as the FUNDS keep coming in. If he runs out of money, he will have to drop out before September. I saw on ronpaulgraphs.com a pathetic decline in donations especially in the last week. I'm doing what I can to keep contributing something (and I encourage all who've not maxed out yet, to give even $5 or $10 a month), because I at least want to see Dr. Paul at that national convention, blast the odds of his securing the nomination or not.
I don't quite remember, seeing on TV all those years, whether each candidate gets to make an opening statement, speech, etc. BEFORE the national delegate votes are cast, but my one dream for a miracle would be that (unfortunately) the economy gets so bad by then and Dr. Paul comes out to the whole nation telling the REAL reason why the economy is so bad (i.e., Federal Reserve, etc.) and proposes the only real solution and the delegates there (even the "bound" ones for McCain) would get the brains to vote for Dr. Paul instead. Maybe just a fantasy, no?
DON'T WORRY---Dr. Paul has enough money
...to carry him through to the convention, even if he has no more contributions...he has enough, so don't worry.
PAPER ballot 0001
I just voted for Ron Paul on paper ballot 0001!!! Most of the turnout so far has been elderly, retired, or businessmen. I will check back with more info on the turnout for my prescinct. I am in Ohio, so it is colder than a witches you-know what out there, I am going back out to round up the people I got registered to vote. Talk to ya after a few.
take slim jims with you to the polls
and hand out before they go in to vote...
Yes we should be looking for fraud, PLENTY, of it
However, I do believe from what I am seeing, Ron will keep his seat. THEN he will push ALL focus back to the Presidential Bid alone
In Christ,
Dave
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more concerned
For today, I'm more concerned about that congressional seat. A bird in the hand.
We know we're not getting enough delegates to clinch the presidential nomination.
As long as McCain doesn't get those bound delegates it won't matter how many Paul gets as long as there is a brokered convention.
To me, the delegates you bring to a brokered convention is like your high school GPA: It will help you get into college but makes little difference once you're in. John McCain can be the GOP's "high school valedictorian" going into the convention but if he flunks out it won't matter how many delegates he brought with him.
EXPECT Fraud in TEXAS & OHIO primaries
Do you really think that the CFR mafia is going to allow Dr. Paul to win Texas, let alone Ohio? But especially Texas?? IF they can get access to the electronic voting machines?
Is it any wonder that United Technologies, a DOW company, has mad a bid for the DIEBOLD systems company today? And, why else would Rupert Murdoch be making a bid for YAHOO and control of the Internet?? Me thinks I smell a rat....however, the CFR mafia may not have complete control, or it might be having a harder time accessing the machines without being detected. I don't know, because if they can't access them, or if they can't bribe an employee, what will they do?
Incredulously, McCain could win Texas, BUT ONLY with FRAUDULENT activity. I only speak of the primary, but if anyone from Texas can shed some light on the caucus procedure subject, let us know.
IF the caucus is hand-balloted and witnessed and in the open, then, we may just have a chance of winning Texas. Why? Because why on earth would any Texan vote for an "open borders" McCain and his liberal ass policies? Why? That's right, and I think Texans are smarter than that, and that's why I think they will probably not vote for Huckabee either....same reason...he's weak on illegal immigration.
If McCain wins, that will be OUR OBVIOUS INDICATION OF FRAUD in Texas....end of story!
Researchers point out flaws in Ohio voting system
HI,
Found this on a "tech" site TG Daily
http://www.tgdaily.com/co...
Cuyahoga County specifically have a new system.
...Voters will have to fill out ballots by hand, which later will be scanned into digital form...
...The researchers claim that this procedure not only opens the doors to security issues, including election fraud, but also carries a greater risk of voter error...
Herrnson cautioned Ohio voters to be careful when filling out the ballots, to avoid stray marks and to review their ballots closely. If voters need to make changes, they should ask for a new form instead of erasing, he said.
I'm not saying there won't
I'm not saying there won't be fraud, in fact I would be shocked if there wasn't, but McCain is very likely to win Texas because most Texans are just as gullible and uninformed as the rest of the country is. Most people listen to the lying media and choose the person that the media feeds to them. This is undoubtedly John McCain. I certainly hope that Ron Paul will do better in Texas since he is a Congressman from there, and people may be a little more informed about him, but I'm sure not counting on him winning Texas. I hope the people of Texas prove me wrong, but I've lost faith in the majority of Americans right now. Most people are just too stupid or too lazy to do any research on their own. People will wake up someday, but I really doubt it will be today.
That's true
If I'm not mistaken I believe most Texans are more strongly pro-war than they are anti-immigraiton.
when is delaware?
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thank you pls. keep us
thank you pls. keep us updated.
I have
I have a bad feeling about tomorrows primaries...the one concerns me the most is Texas..if we don't make a good showing there I am concerned, because I think that's our best chance
There's a 20% threshold
There's a 20% threshold statewide to get statewide delegates in TX, right? Or there's no specific threshold?
US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico?
I'm pretty sure McCain picked up those areas delegates.
Not sure how many or if they are bound or unbound, but
we should look into that.
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On those primaries
OHIO - How are the delegates selected then? If they are unpledged, how and when do they decide which candidate they go with? Does the primary voting mean nothing in Ohio?
TEXAS -- another state I don't understand. They are doing both a primary and a caucus? Do the primary voting results means anything? Are some delegates chosen from the primary and some chosen from caucases?
Someone's been watching too much MSM....
The DEMOCRATS have caucuses....In their race, one-third of their delegates are selected at the Pct Caucus after the polls close. The other two-thirds are selected from the primary popular vote. Politicians refer to it as the Texas Two-Step since it's a two-part process.
Now for the REPUBLICANS: We don't have a caucus....We have a Precinct CONVENTION. That is where we select Pct Delegates that get sent on to County or District Convention (won't go into explaining that difference here). At County/District Convention delegates are then selected to go to the State convention. At the State Convention, the National Delegates are selected.
Here are the two magic numbers you need to know about Texas primaries: 50 and 20.
When a candidate gets 50% or more of the vote in a senatorial destrict, that district is a winner-take-all.
If no one gets a majority (50%), then all those with 20% or more of the vote in a senatorial district receive delegates.
As of today, Texas delegates are bound through the first 3 rounds of voting at National...Or until they are released by their candidate.
At least, that's the way I understand this process. I'm a complete newb and am just learning as we go. Anyone that knows this process better, please feel free to correct/clarify.
Republicans only do a primary.
Dems a primary and a caucus.
Repubs have precinct conventions after the primary to select the slate of delegates and resolutions to pass on for the senatorial districts conventions.
For Ohio
The delegates decide at the convention who they are going to vote for. The primary is just window dressing as it is with many states.
As for texas, it is a little more complicated, so lets wait and see what the percentages are. If no one gets more than 50%, the delegates are proportioned out.
The entire process is all very confusing. But that is the way the establishment wants it to complicate the process, which encourages most Americans to just go with the flow.
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How does Ohio decide
which delegates go to the convention to vote? Is this the national convention you are refering to above or the state convention?
thanks!
I don't remember the primaries being so complicated before. Perhaps that's simply due to a candidate being chosen early on in the primary process most years. If there's an incumbent, usually no real opposition anyway. I cannot recall a primary season in which the process went this far and for both parties.
Thank you
Thank you for this post. Our delegate training was very helpful too. Meetup groups will continue to be important going forward.
For Liberty!
Exactly some info I wanted!
Please update with how delegates *are* determined in Texas, by pro rata votes (by precinct, county, or state?), by ???
Will the reported MLM vote results be "beauty contest" results?
When a winner is predicted 1 minute after polls close, as usual, is that actually pretty irrelevant in comparison to the importance of bound delegate totals?
Extremely important - when are the early, mail-in votes counted/included in totals? (And is there any way to know if any of those are "lost" by the USPS or the counters?)
[Has California actually finished counting/certifying results within the 30 day legal requirement??]
who knows, this entire primary has been a farse....
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Thanks for posting this!
Very informative / factual and encouraging!!
It's
It's the most exciting republican primary race I can remember, too bad hardly anyone realizes it happening.
I keep trying to figure out how they are going to change the rules if it doesn't go their way.
100% correct....
Here's one example of why:
Dick Wadhams, Colorado chair of the Republican Party, said the Feb. 5 caucus where Huckabee came in third after Romney and McCain was a “preference poll” and the delegates are still up for grabs, according to AP.
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Bound or not only tells us what the projected results are.
Nobody actually gets nominated until September.
And Ron Paul won't quit if we don't.
IMissLiberty
Right...but it is just a guide.....
Lets say someone had 1,300 delegates, then it would be a good bet that person would have enough delegates....but when it is this close....well, lets just say I can't wait for the convention....yea baby!!!
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How
how many delegates do we have
According to the RP campaign.......
between 40 and 50. According to the MSM, -15 (we are actually in delegate debt--- an historic first!!)