Lincoln Letters Reveal Economic Plan to End Slavery
Posted March 4th, 2008 by Michael Nystrom
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ROCHESTER, N.Y. (March 2) - Barely a year into the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln suggested buying slaves for $400 apiece under a "gradual emancipation" plan that would bring peace at less cost than several months of hostilities...
In a letter to Illinois Sen. James A. McDougall dated March 14, 1862, Lincoln laid out the estimated cost to the nation's coffers of his "emancipation with compensation" proposal. Paying slave-holders $400 for each of the 1,798 slaves in Delaware listed in the 1860 Census, he wrote, would come to $719,200 at a time when the war was soaking up $2 million a day.
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I'm not sure I understand what this is supposed to support or oppose. Lincoln was a tyrant, pure and simple and was responsible for the deaths of 650,000 Americans, using a conscripted army to suppress the South's desire for self-government. The war was to prevent Southern independence, nothing more, nothing less.
Please, people, wake up. Lincoln was a despot every bit as much as King George was a despot.
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No, because this letter does
No, because this letter does not offer any evidence that Lincoln believed such an action might have directly ended the war, or even that Confederate slaveholders would have been willing to sell off their slaves if given the offer.
It also doesn't address the
It also doesn't address the real reason for the war. Lincoln was did not invade the South because he wanted to free the slaves. He waged war on the South to prevent their independence and to assert the primacy of the Federal government over State's rights.
It wouldn't have ended slavery in the south...
"Paying slave-holders $400 for each of the 1,798 slaves in Delaware listed in the 1860 Census, he wrote, would come to $719,200 at a time when the war was soaking up $2 million a day.
Buying the freedom of an estimated 432,622 slaves in Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri and Washington, D.C., would cost $173,048,800 — nearly equal to the estimated $174 million needed to wage war for 87 days, he added."
The states mentioned were not in the Confederacy, but were the few states in the Union that still permitted slavery. Since we know that the Emancipation Proclamation only emancipated slaves in Confederate states, this would appear, at least from the portions that are quoted in the article, to be Lincoln's proposal for emancipating UNION slaves, not those in the Confederacy.
To clarify, it doesn't appear to be an ALTERNATIVE to war, but rather a tactic to win the war sooner; i.e. By freeing the slaves in the border states, the increase in recruits/morale would improve the Union's position enough to greatly offset the cost of emancipation by shortening the duration of a costly war effort.
There is no excuse...
It's sad for me to see just how many Ron Paul supporters are so ignorant about Abraham Lincoln. Why have you all learned to question what you were taught in public school about the virtues of the state and yet you don't question that same education's elevation of "Honest Abe" to Christlike status?
The Lincoln myth needs to be shattered if we are to get back to a Constitutional Republic because it was with Lincoln that that Republic began its decline.
Start your education now. Here's a good place to begin:
http://www.mises.org/medi...
Thomas Dilorenzo is a colleague of Ron Paul's through the Mises Institute and is a professor of Economics. I highly encourage you all to educate yourselves further on this important subject.
The decline of the Republic
The decline of the Republic began with TJ. The Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional.
We can hardly compare the
We can hardly compare the unconstitutional purchase of some land with the wholesale slaughter of 650,000 Americans in order to suppress a movement for independence. Lincoln asserted that the states were merely a product of the federal government as opposed to the other way around. It's a precedent that has persisted to this day.
Lincoln worked with what he had at the time
You people get caught up in what you read are thinking through the lense of our current debacle and your current understanding of "corrupt" government -- this knowledge (that you have) was un-available back then, the speed of discussion, file swapping, e-book reading, blogging -- if Lincoln had the information transfer plus 150 years of hindsight I believe he would have made other decisions.
Things to consider -- to balance you equations.
- Lincoln tried many social experiments to end slavery
- It was the immorality of Northern Christians (obviously Southern Christians as a whole) to end slavery. Lincoln addressed many Notherns, especially in Illinois with the notion of just freeing the slaves, by decree, and letting escaped slaves live as free-men in the noth -- Northern Christians (as 99% of the nation declared themselves back then) said NO INTEGRATION -- repeatedly turning down proposals and propositions.
- The understanding of "slight" Central Banking manipulation, the fact that money was still backed by Gold, the underpinnings of the "Green Back" taken into consideration should soften your view of the man.
- Lastly, right wrong good or bad, he did a lot more to keep the country together and end slavery than this whole message board combined -- Do you think he thought he was going to live a long life -- secret police back then was a joke - AND - everyone had guns. The fact that his life was not taken earlier might suggest people had better control over their emotions than we do today.
Next you people will be bashing Gandhi (who greatly admired Lincoln) -- Yogananda (Gandhi's Guru) also greatly admired Lincoln. Maybe the advents of civil war are a little tricky in comparison to armchair political analysist with perfect 20-20 hindsight 150 years later.
I agree with Ron Paul's non-emotional assessment of Lincoln, however, I doubt there was legitimate opposites. It took Big Gov't to further the works of Slavery that and the complete destruction of Slave Culture and Dependence might have been a bit trickier than cut-paste-blogging.
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Lincoln was going to End Slavery and the Federal Reserve
Lincoln had printed a new currency called Greenbacks to end the Federal Reserve and he wanted to end slavery as well. This is also why he was killed. Check out a site called www.amerocasnewworldorder... and share the link with your fellow bloggers.
Lincoln, The Tyrant of American Tyrants
The beginning of the end of America came with the Lincoln administration. Some of the wonderful precedents he gave us include:
Income Tax
Suspension of Habeas Corpus
Suspension of the Bill of Rights
Disarming Civilian Populations (in the border states)
Elimination of the Gold Standard
Using the Military to Enforce Civilian Law
Using the Military to Imprison Opposition Press
Massive Tariff increases (the real cause of the Civil War)
Systematic war on civilian populations
Assertion of the primacy of Federal over State sovereignty
The Lincoln cult needs to be shattered in order for us to restore the Republic. As long as Lincoln is continually revered and cited as a great moral authority we will continue to be ruled by tyranny.
How long of an attention span does the media have?
Will Tim Russert bring this up next time he talks about Dr. Paul? Will anyone of the other people who called Dr. Paul a crackpot dare to say anything against Dr. Paul's beliefs again?
Lincoln
Lincoln was indeed a big-govt guy.
The Civil War was the manifestation of a conflict years in the making: The British system of economics vs. the American System.
Lincoln defended the American system on the grounds that the British system had left the citizens of England in wretched poverty.
The American System was grounded in the theory that labor was independent of capital in the structures of society and government. It was not a socialist call, but it was a statement that the US didn't need alien capital to develop during the late industrial revolution.
Lincoln had shortcomings, but had Lincoln not died, I believe the world would have been a better place because the bankers' control over the currency system would have been taken away.
You need to read "The Real
You need to read "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas Dilorenzo (an Austrian economist like Ron Paul) because your statement is totally fallacious. Lincoln was VERY much a proponent of central banking and a hefty public debt. He campaigned on a mercantilist platform of high tariffs, high taxes, corporate welfare, and the radical centralizing of power in Washington. During the war he passed legal tender laws to allow an ally of his to run a quasi central bank to issue "greenbacks" without gold backing. It took years after the war for Democrats to get the gold standard back. Had Lincoln lived he would've made the central bank and the suspension of the gold standard permanent because he was a disciple of Henry Clay, the great mercantilist centralizer.
Lincoln was the greatest disaster in American history up to his time and set the stage for Wilson and every other tyrant we've had in power since.
Abe Lincoln
1. Lincoln’s primary purpose was to enact ‘The American System’ of Henry Clay; a system of protective tariffs, a national bank and internal improvements: Lincoln himself described his own politics as "internal improvements, protective tarrifs, and a national [central planning] bank....short and sweet like an old ladies dance".
2. Lincoln was a racist who had a contempt for blacks going back to his first term in congress. He supported keeping the western territories white and indian free. Lincoln supported colonizing Liberia and Linconia [look it up Linconia] with American blacks.
3. The emancipation could have been achieved peacefully, but it was Abe's was strategy: to disrupt the southern economy....almost 2 year INTO THE WAR...which he promised would only last six months. Sound familiar?
4. Secession was justified: in all but 3 southern states, the war was over the Morrill tarrif, not slavery. Please read your history books. Repeat this: Morrill tarrif, not slavery.
5. Lincoln waged war on civilians: read the diaries of Generals Sheridan and Sherman.
6. Lincoln was more responsible than even FDR for centralizing power in the federal government. Lincoln entirely ignored the "limitations of government power" i.e. the bill of rights to get his way. Lincoln married government and business, and got a huge pat on the back via a letter from Karl Marx. Marx viewed some of his own beliefs put to work through Lincoln and admired the degree of force that Lincoln used to impose his will on the South AND the North.
No go on and praise this man. Tell me for the 55 thousanth time what a great man and great American and great hero and great president and friend of the black man and friend of all who love freedom......
Brilliantly put Derek.
Brilliantly put Derek. Lincoln was an utter disaster for this country and his monument in Washington is a monument to the destruction of the Old Republic.
Much of what we know about slavery
has been watered down. Lincoln gave credit to ending slavery to a man named William Garrison. He pretty much stood alone against the establishment in his demand to end slavery immediately. Lincoln wanted to end slavery in 40 years or about 1900.
William Lloyd Garrison should get more credit for ending slavery. Lincoln should get more blame for using brute force against his own countrymen.
Lincoln bashing over?
Does this signal an end to a good portion of the Lincoln bashing many were participating in?
Lincoln deserves the
Lincoln deserves the bashing, when you read exactly what he did and how he did it there is no way around such bashing. He suspended the Maryland Legislature on threat of imprisonment because he thought they too would join the South. He issued an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court because the Justice issued an opinion contrary to Lincoln. He imprisoned over 25,000 individuals because of disent against the war, he closed numerous news papers, imposed martial law, suspended Habeas Corpus, destroyed Constitutional Order and the States of the South. Several of his generals and advisors were "refugees" for the failed 1848 Marxist Revolution in Europe and was a pen-pal to Karl Marx himself, who fully supported Lincoln's actions. He was a war criminal along with several of his generals, including Sherman who stated that his actions were criminal and would normally be punished by hanging!
The real history behind Lincoln is a horrifying story of excess, abuse of power and authoritarian rule and the history that has been embelished by the victory of the "union" is far from the truth.
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he was a virulent racist, had no respect for the constitution, and played politics with the slavery issue. But at least he got rid of the bank (which is probably why he got shot)
Lincoln was trying to do the right thing and end
slavery. The bankers, unfortunately had other plans.
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Lincoln was not trying to
Lincoln was not trying to end slavery or necessarily preserve the union. The South was burdened with a severe tariff upwards of 60% on their goods, when the Southern States had had enough they sought to form a "Free-Trade Zone", this would have effectively ended the ability of the Northern States from retaining their power and their wealth. It would have taken massive amounts of money away from the federal government coffers and ruined the entire power structure held by the North over the federal government. This War was about nothing more than power and money. Lincoln said that he cared less about the slaves or the institution of slavery...read your history.
He's not talking about...
He's not talking about "slavery" as in white farmers owning black slaves. He's talking about economic slavery aka the debt-based monetary system.
Acutally, he was talking
Acutally, he was talking about Lincoln, and in conjunction he mentioned the economic slavery from central bankers.
Wonder what Russert thinks of this.
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Hows Abe's letters relevant to Ron Paul you ask? Watch either of these two videos to refresh you memory first:
http://rawstory.com/rawre... (<------------watch this especially)
http://www.youtube.com/wa... (@6:20)
They humiliated Ron Paul! They called him a nut in the first video! Give Tim Russert and especially MSNBC hell now we have proof that Ron Paul was right!
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