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Silver & Gold dipping, get ready to buy.

Prices just dipped a bit, I am gonna go buy some more silver now before it goes back up.

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Peak

I did it again! I bought yesterday at the peak. It seems I have done that every single time I purchase. Luckily I have been saved by the market over these last 6 mos, but I hate leaving money on the table. Oh well, I'm sure it will blow back through $20 in another week or two.

I did the same thing today

I bought at almost the peak. BUMMER.

Healthnuttie for Ron Paul

went and picked up some more

went and picked up some more silver today. :) it was a sale.

There having a SALE...

Cool!

I'm looking at getting 60

I'm looking at getting 60 more ounces as soon as the income tax comes back ;)

Question for the gold and silver folks

What do you expect will happen to the value of metals if, as predicted by more than a few, the dollar is replaced by a new currency in the near future (<4yrs)? Do you feel they would hold at high levels were that senario to play out or, begin to fall?

I believe the demand for metals (real money) would remain strong after simply because of human nature and the trauma of dollar death throws wrecked on society.

I know the probability is remote

but what if the Amero is not in our future and the dollar rose like a phoenix after being murdered by the banksters? Have you read RP's latest?

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Ounce of Gold buys a really good tailored suit.

This had been essentially true for well over 100 years.

1900 -- 1 ounce gold coin buys a really good suit ($20)

1940 -- really good suit ($35 -- equiv to 1 ounce gold coin *IF* Americans hade been able to use them)

1980..2000 -- really good suit $400..$500 (1 ounce gold coin)

2006 -- really good suit $600 (1 ounce gold coin)

2008+ -- really good suit $???? (1 ounce gold coin)

THAT

brings it to where people understand how it works.

Gold retains the value of everything - including homes.

That's a good question. It's

That's a good question. It's hard to know what the future holds for real money. When everyone rushes in at the last minute the metals will be overvalued at their height, before sinking back to some reasonable level; it's hard to say where that level would end up.

I don't look at metals

as a profit making investment. Just sound money that will continue to have the purchasing power it always has. 75 years ago a dollar was .7734 (I think-memory's not what it used to be) ounce of silver and gas was 25 cents a gallon. Today, that amount of silver still buys roughly 4 gallons of gas.

So being "overvalued" would not necessarily cause me to sell all of my silver for paper.

please read on gold!

this is from Jim sinclair at jsmineset.com Jim called the gold top to the day in 1980... for your gold and silver advice I would trust no one else but this man!

Down to business:

Gold has never made it thorough a round number without a battle. You may recall every 100 points since $248 gold battled at each $100 mark.
To assume we are going through $1000 with ease can only occur if my $1650 magnet is so low it is silly.
I don’t assume that.
The real number is not $1000 nor $1050 but rather $1024 with a maximum over run of $26. You may recall I suggested the run to $1000 was going to be as straight up as markets can perform.
I would expect a break above and then some rotation around $1000 until the third day above $1000. Following that it is off to $1650.
I will give you more minor angels as we move past $1024.
The ratios long the majors and short the juniors sold as an OTC derivative by the same geeks that have brought you the end of the financial world as we knew it, also produced the gold share ratio spread.
This spread is starting to contract now as the majors decelerated their climb and the juniors in the main have decelerated or ended their decline.
The US dollar has been for a long time and is now totally hopeless.
The price objective on the downside of the dollar is .5200. It will get there.
Gold is going to $1650. Remember this. It will get there.
No commodity share is going down when the underlying asset of the company is going to establish at least an appreciation of 665% from the low. The geeks only look at the momentum of a spread once again forgetting a thing called a market. When the recent OTC derivatives skewing a market explodes, as it will, the juniors will fire out of their silo like an ICBM, doing nuclear damage once again to those criminals and their overloaded laptops.
Housekeeping items:

I have 1229 emails to read.

That is called “total overload” under present fatigue and blurred vision circumstances. I have asked those who are helping me to give me a list of all phone numbers given in emails or

I wanted to be in Toronto last Friday

just so I could give Jim Sinclair a big hug!

The dollar is toast

so don't pay much attention to price dips in gold/silver unless you're looking for an opportunity to purchase. The rate of price increase for both gold and silver changed in Oct/Nov (the rate increased), which is prompting jittery traders to pull out (selling and taking profits) during this time. That's OK, there is a huge demand for gold and silver and it's not going away. In addition, people that understand gold know that there is huge resistance to price increases when round numbers are in play (800.00, 900.00, etc.). We are pushing up against a major round number (1,000.00 per ounce), so there should be massive resistance by the manipulative forces. They really can't do much to forestall the inevitable, which is that gold, silver and commodities in general will continue to rise because the dollar is in the throes of death. There is no turning back from what these immoral bastards have done to the dollar, so let the smartass traders take their profits and say "haha, thank you suckers" and hold on to your gold and silver. If you become anxious and give it up during one of these dips, the big players will gladly buy it. In the end, the wannabe traders will be left crying over the fact that their dollars are worthless. Hold on to your gold and silver, you won't regret it.

It is because oil dropped

It is because oil dropped down about $5/barrel.

It is already going back up though. We'll see how it fares by the end of the day. I hope it stays in the 19's so I can purchase a bunch of silver coins.

silver could drop down

silver could drop down another buck or 2... the market is manipulated. but when the shorts buy back at this sell off its a rocket to the moon! please read below.

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TED BUTLER COMMENTARY

March 4, 2008

Up Against The Wall

There were some surprises in the most recent Commitment of Traders Report (COT) for silver futures on the COMEX. The COT, for positions held as of Feb 26, showed a big drop in the uneconomic spread positions, a notable increase in small trader short positions (most likely as a result of call option exercises that went into the money), and a decline in the total commercial net short position for the first time since the middle of December. (The raptors were buying this past week.) These all represented changes from past patterns, especially noteworthy since prices rose strongly in the reporting week.

But there was no surprise for the most important pattern in the silver COT, namely, the concentrated short positions of the largest 4 and 8 traders. Once again, each set new records, as the big shorts sold into the rally. The big 4 are now net short 62,229 contracts, or over 311 million ounces. That’s the equivalent of more than 177 days of world mine production. The eight largest traders are now net short 79,042 contracts, or more than 395 million ounces, or more than 225 days equivalent production. Never has there been a greater concentrated position of any type (long or short) in silver, or in any other commodity. If Nero were alive and responsible for commodity regulation, I’m sure he would be fiddling as the danger in the silver market burns out of control.

Many have asked me how the concentrated short position in silver (and gold) will be resolved in the short run. Will we get a sharp sell-off or a capitulation by the shorts to the upside in a price explosion? That’s impossible to state with certainty. What is certain is that it must and will be resolved. I can more fully explain the situation, however, with the hope that it will help to prepare you for whatever happens.

The shorts in silver and gold, as well as in many other commodities are in a very difficult position; they are, quite literally, up against the wall. Their collective open losses are of a magnitude many times greater than anything they have ever experienced in the past. In fact, it is my observation that these concentrated shorts have actually lost (on paper and in meeting resultant margin calls) more than they made in total over the past five or ten years. The shorts have gotten absolutely hammered.

While I don’t feel sorry for them, decades of watching them pull dirty tricks at the last moment (with the help of the regulators) and triggering sharp sell-offs, makes me uneasy to declare them finally defeated. Until, at least, I read their actual financial obituaries or bankruptcy notices. So, for the time being, let me declare them seriously wounded. Like all wounded animals, however, they still may be dangerous.

How wounded are they? In silver, the big four shorts are out more than $1 billion in the past two weeks, and around $2 billion in the past two months. The big four gold shorts are out close to $3 billion in the past two months. Similar losses can be found in oil, natural gas, base metals, the grains, cotton and some other markets.

Who are these shorts that are being mauled? Generally, they are banks and financial institutions and large exchange member insiders who have traditionally inhabited the short side in most markets. They are the market makers.

What has caused this sudden and profound change of fortune for the shorts? Two things. One, the relentless demand for raw materials caused by world economic growth, primarily in the BRIC nations (Brazil, Russia, India and China). Two, the influx of heavy commodity investment demand by institutions, primarily the index funds for now, but with the sovereign funds waiting in the wings.

The index funds, with some 200 billion dollars already invested, have bought a wide variety of commodities futures contracts, including crude oil, natural gas, wheat, soybeans, corn, cotton, sugar, coffee and base metals (mostly in London), among others. In gold and silver, the index funds buy primarily in the ETFs, instead of futures contracts. The index funds are the bluest of blue-chip institutional money. These are long-term buy and hold positions and since there is no leverage, no margin call liquidation potential exists. (As contrasted to the tech funds who operate on margin.)

Last year, I first wrote about the index funds upon the initial release of the COT supplemental report which broke out the index funds’ holdings in various futures markets, "The Changing Of The Guard?"

http://www.investmentrari...

Here are some excerpts;

"Just how big the index funds have become was recently revealed with the release of COT supplemental report, which commenced on January 8. This report covers 12 agricultural commodities (not silver) and breaks down, for the first time, how many contracts are held by the index funds. In a word, they hold a lot. I was genuinely surprised by how many contracts they held.

These index funds, as expected, were almost exclusively on the long side. As a subset of the commercial category, they held a larger and more dominant position than any other category in just about every market. In many markets, the long position of the index funds exceeded the long position of two, or all, of the other long position categories (commercial, non-commercial and non-reporting) combined. That’s big.

While the index funds’ positions were extremely large, and necessitated an equally large short position being created to allow it to exist, it should be mentioned that these funds will not stand for physical delivery, creating a short squeeze. In a delivery crunch, caused by outside influences, however, it is not hard to imagine incredible financial pressure being brought to bear on short sellers in general, due the index funds presence."

The massive and non-leveraged buying by the index funds has leveled the playing field. Previously, the shorts dominated the markets, by financial strength and treachery, aided and abetted by the CFTC and the exchanges. The index funds have altered and evened the equation by sheer financial size and non-leveraged buying. For instance, the index funds are long one billion bushels of Chicago wheat futures, almost 50% of the net futures open interest and more than 50% of the US winter wheat crop.

It is the combination of tight supply/demand fundamentals in most commodities and institutional index fund buying that has pressed the short community up against the wall. Since these two factors appear to be long-term phenomena, any short-term sell-offs would offer only temporary respite to the shorts. It looks like the long-term bullish force of tight supply/demand and index buying is a paradigm shift of major significance.

Unfortunately for the shorts, the very nature of their commodity position has created a problem that may prove insurmountable for them. The positions that are going against them are very leveraged. These short positions are similar to the leveraged long positions currently being liquidated in mortgages, credit securities, derivatives and municipal bonds, by hedge funds and financial institutions. But all these securities and derivatives being marked down and liquidated are long positions, whereas the commodity positions under stress (including silver and gold) are very much short positions.

There is a world of difference between liquidating a leveraged long position in a panic and doing the same with a short position. The simple difference is this; a long position can’t go below zero, and at some price above zero, an opportunistic buyer will purchase the position. A short position being liquidated under panic conditions contains no such guarantee. Finding an entity willing to assume a massive short position if the shorts start to panic, is a world apart from dumping a long position in a hurry.

There is no telling to how high a price a short liquidation (buying back) of a position might drive a price. For a commodity held short where no adequate supply exists to deliver against (think Minneapolis wheat and COMEX silver), the sky is truly the limit. Add in the fact that the COMEX silver short position is held in extremely concentrated hands (4 or less), and you have the ingredients for an historical short panic. This is precisely why the regulators have really dropped the ball in allowing this condition to persist and grow worse, in spite of my constant warnings.

I have written previously about the non-economic and illogical aspect to anyone shorting silver in great quantities at the super-depressed prices of the recent past. If you didn’t want to take advantage of the incredible opportunity that silver offered, fine. But why in the world would anyone want to short it big? At least we finally have the answer to that question. Shorting big was dumb. Or pure manipulation.

Is this the time for an epic short panic in silver? Perhaps, especially as more people recognize the problem. The combination of severe recent financial stress on the shorts, the fundamentals and index fund buying, combined with the impossibility of buying back the out-sized short position easily makes it a difficult situation for the shorts. A wounded animal is always dangerous, depending on how serious the wounds. They are up against a wall and, if not resolved soon, it is likely to fall on them.

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Please explain

This is a great post but could you please explain what a short is in layman's terms? Is a short where an investor buys assuming that a commodity will go up or down and then the short is called in and they have to pay the difference? I really would appreciate if you or someone else could explain this to me. Thanks

From Reuters Financial Glossary

Investors are 'short' when they sell borrowed assets in the hope that they can buy them back when prices have fallen. A short position is the opposite of a long position, when investors buy assets in the hope that they can sell them when prices have risen.

Thanks :)

Thanks :)

Is the IMF dumping gold in

Is the IMF dumping gold in again?

Not yet, and it won't matter if they do.

No, the IMF is not selling gold yet. They won't be selling until September, at the earliest, and may not do so at all. And if they do eventually sell the 400 tons they're talking about, it will limit the amount that the Central Banks can sell in that period. Anybody worried about this should read this article by Julian Philips on Kitco: http://www.kitco.com/ind/...

My own take is that whenever an agency like the IMF or a government TALKS about selling gold, they're mostly just trying to bring the price down without actually having to DO anything. Rapidly rising precious metal prices make the central banksters very nervous -- like people are starting to notice that fiat currency is a scam? So they make noises about all the thousands of tons that the central banks are going to sell off any day now, and the price will crash down to $300 an ounce. Believe it when you see it happen. Central banks don't have a lot of gold left, IMHO -- they've loaned it out to bullion banks which loaned it to speculators who sold it short. The central banks still have the gold on their books -- but it's GONE. See this 2002 article by Gary North: http://www.lewrockwell.co...

doesn't matter if they

doesn't matter if they are... Russia and quatar are buying it all up!

How much to buy?

I have $5,000. Should that be enough to buy food in case of emergency. Do I want silver COINS hidden in a safe accessible place? What do I do with the silver once I buy it? HELLLP.

if you have 5000.00 do

if you have 5000.00 do this.... buy 1000.00 worth of dehydrated or freezedryed food. with the 4000.00 I would buy 90%US pre 1964 silver DIMES.. with the rest of the money... some people may call me crazy but I feel silver will be over 150.00 per ounce and that is a conservative guess..
Go to investmentrarities.com read ted butlers free downloadable books and read his essays on the silver market for the past 10 years.. this is ALL you need to know about silver...

Your FIRST priority is not

Your FIRST priority is not to buy gold/silver, it's to make sure you have water, food, and shelter secured in case you lose all source of income. Buy or secure your water and food WITHOUT the need to purchase it later from outside places. Guns and ammo are a good idea as well to protect what you will have. After you have done that, then buy gold/silver coins which you actually physically hold. Buy as much as you can afford from your local coin shop.

Buy some storable food

AND some silver/gold coins.

Go where ever you feel comfortable for both, but these are the main 2 I've used.

efoodsdirect.com (storable food w/ a shelf-life over 10 years)

midasresources.com (there are many others, but this is one of the few I've used for metals -- they also give advice)

keep reading and talking to others... get as much advice as you can.

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"I killed the banks"

BOOM

and there goes the silver selloff. I want to again thank the people on this board for the suggestion. I made some money on silver and I'll keep an eye on the dips!