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McCain HAS NOT CLINCHED ANYTHING!!!! Updated 3/5 7:17AM...here is the real delegate count

Update: 9:45 AM - I have to address the nay-sayers.......folks, greenpapers is a very accurate resource. What they are showing is the true delegate count. For all of those that are saying this is rubbish, I would like proof that you know exactly how the voting will go at the convention. If you don't know how the system works, then you should learn it before you comment. The rules for delegates at the convention are very complicated and vary from state to state and even district to district. Please stop bashing unless you know facts and have proof.

END UPDATE******

As of now he only has 973 pledged delegates. There are 68 pledged delegates left to be distributed in Texas.

Remember, ALL of Ohio's delegates are unpledged or unbound, so they DO NOT get added to McCain's pledged delegate count, but the MSM has done so anyway........in Texas the pledged delegates will be proportioned out.

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The MSM is just handing McCain all of the delegates which is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!

Here is an up to date count excluding the remaining 68 Texas pledged delegates.

http://www.thegreenpapers...

MSM is full of garbage......

Now please don't misunderstand me.....I am not saying McCain will NOT get enough delegates. There are still 377 remaining delegates to be distributed in the remaining primaries.

WHAT I AM SAYING is that the delegate process is very complicated. States and districts have different rules on how these delegates are to be applied at the convention.

As long as McCain is borderline in his delegate count, there is always hope BUT ONLY IF ENOUGH RP DELEGATES show up at the convention.

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AND don't forget, not every McCain pledged delegate is going to show up at the convention but I would bet almost all of the RP delegates show.
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By the way, in 1960 Hubert Humphrey won the democratic nomination AT THE CONVENTION and he DID NOT WIN A SINGLE PRIMARY!!!!

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We need to contact the MSM with this information

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I am a delegate

and I have not been counted yet. How do I become a HARD delegate for Paul?

What state are you in? Have

What state are you in?

Have you had your caucus and county convention yet?

This will aloow me to anser your question

Dr. Steve Parent

Keep this post up

I am amazed at how many RP supporters are so intelligent and savy. This helps the rest of us understand what is really happening so that we understand how this election is being manipulated by the GOP and the media. Knowledge is power and please keep these informative posts up.
BUMP!

It's Been TWO Days W/O A Good Solid BUMP -- Here It Is

Vote RON PAUL 2008
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B-U-M-P

people ?

don't give the game away with delegate counts,you know what I'm saying? We know the real numbers.

mccain is a perverted warmongering psycho freak

He won't make the convention anyway, Someone will push him over the edge. He's already teetering on the brink of it.

Here's a BUMP! You're right

Here's a BUMP! You're right about this post but you're forgetting the most important detail: the "Hard Count" delegates, which are already allocated to the Presidential candidates. I went on www.thegreenpapers.com and looked at the hard count delegates. These hard count delegates are all pledged delegates. BUMP BUMP!!!

HE

He has 1334 delegates according to Politico and has clinched the nomination:

http://www.politico.com/

Politico is part of the problem

Do NOT believe anything coming out of the media. RP supporters are independent thinkers and no longer believe ANY of the propaganda that the media spews.

They have given him

They have given him delegates in states where he won the primary but many of those delegates are NON BOUND they can vote fo who ever they want. The fact is he only has 986 pledged that are bound to vote for him and he is over 200 short of clinching any nomination.

Read my post on the delegate process explained in depth here : http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Dr. Steve Parent

There you go again...

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

Those

those aren't my numbers..but they are confirmed by at least 100 other sources

bringing you back

bump

Why we question the vote count.

A recent post stated that Ron Paul should have advertised his anti war stand in Florida and New Hampshire because voters voted for McCain because they thought he was the anti war candidate. My response is important because I have no doubt that the vote has been fixed. here is my response: New Hampshire and Florida voted for Mc Insane because they thought he was anti war? It is irrational to believe this. My mother knew the Collier brother years ago who wrote the book, Vote Scam. With all do respect I do not believe that Black Box has the right approach to outing the vote tampering that occurred in this presidential election. Objectivist logic tell us A is A it can not be B. Your argument is incorrect because even if Dr. Paul's anti war message was not widely known, certainly McCain's 100 year war proposals were. As you know he did support the "surge" which cost $800,000 per day to bribe the opposition in the surge area so the MSM could say it was working. But you can not get that far. New Hampshire was blanketed with "Live Free or Die Volunteers". It is a small state and the door to door contacts and the direct mail reached almost everyone. The enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters waved signs all over the state. There were full page adds both in U.S.A. Today and a local newspaper. My brother, who had friends there believed that Ron Paul would certainly place in the top three. It is incongruous that people voted for McCain in New Hampshire because they believed him to be anti war. In Florida they say that if you win the vote in Central Florida you win Florida. Dr. Paul had active and vocal meet up groups in this area who funded 5 billboards and were present on the local media and at universities. An Orlando paper featured my cousin Corey Martinez in a two page article about students for Ron Paul. My brother, who is part owner of a Central and Northern Florida newspaper called Liberty Sentinel participated in numerous radio broadcast with call in participation and the support for Dr. Paul was strong. The Saint Petersburg debate had an amazing turnout with planes in the sky and boats in the harbor displaying Ron Paul signs. It was at this event that Romney's 20 supporters, with the help of GOP officials generated almost 900 straw poll votes to beat Dr. Paul who had about 600 actual voters and a crowd of over 1000 supporters. My brother filmed the cheating and it may still be on U Tube. No evidence of support for McCain was visible at any of the Florida debates and just a few supporters could be found for Romney and Huckabee. I do not believe that McCain won Florida. Now lets get to the most blaring and obvious vote fraud. How could Ron Paul have won in his district by 70% and then only 1 out of 5 people who voted for him for his congressional seat voted for him for president? If you vote for Dr. Paul and you live in his district your political philosophy is that of liberty, sound money, non intervention, small government returning the power to the people, it is everything that McCain does not stand for. Why are you so willing to believe the altered reality presented to you by the despots in control of our media and our government? In a recent article debating the legitimacy of the election process in Russia, Professor Nicolai N. Petro from the Department of Political Science at Washburn Hall, University of Rhode Island state: "In Russia all presidential candidates get 42 hours of free television air time, contrasting this with the United States and the main stream media that limits it's coverage to two political parties, effectively removing "marginal" parties and candidates (Ron Paul, for example) from our political consciousness. Russian electoral law does not allow public media entities to do that. Consequently, as the number of parties registered for an election expands, the issue of fairness and balance will multiply exponentially." There is no doubt that our media is controlled by the power brokers that create the fantasy of the two party system as a smoke screen for the tyranny that is occurring, the total despotic control of our political process. It makes no difference what hand picked CFR One Worlder candidate get "elected" the men behind the curtain are in control. This election was rigged. I would not recount ballots to prove it I would go to Dr. Paul's congressional district, door to door and get affidavits of the people who voted for Dr. Paul as a Congressman and McCain for President. I do not believe that those people exist. Let's prove it.

Needs bumped Dr. Steve

Needs bumped

Dr. Steve Parent

Bump for freedom

alll who are not delegates...get ready to finance their convention expenses.

Keep this up please Dr.

Keep this up please

Dr. Steve Parent

jlh

Get lost loserpants!

"Liberty and Freedom for our Grandkids"

Keep this going Dr. Steve

Keep this going

Dr. Steve Parent

according

to ABC news Dr Paul is dropping out

You....

Kook!

According to CNN He Has Not !!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTI...

Latinos for Ron Paul

You are a damn troll he said

You are a damn troll he said no such thing get the **** out of our forum

Dr. Steve Parent

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

This is an audio clip of ron paul saying he is NOT dropping out....the words coming right out of his mouth.........TODAY.

So JLH, you are wrong.

We win, you lose.

ah ha!

JHL GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE

JHL GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE YOU DAMN TROLL

The link to thier video is gone now it is not true

Dr. Steve Parent

And you are surprised?

They said he dropped out last month as well...lol

They'll probably report he dropped out next month as well.

This thread has been infested by trolls!

The trolls have infiltrated this and other threads on this website. JLH is one of the most dispicable trolls. He is clearly a McStain operative. The administrator needs to ban this freak once and for all.

That's what i have been

That's what i have been trying to say

Dr. Steve Parent

Anyone Else Not Able To See JLH's History When Ya Click His Name

I click JLH hyperlink but always get an error 404 page, but I can view everyone else just fine. Incidentally, JLH is an obvious Troll so maybe he/she has tinkered with something. Please click the link and post the result, maybe it's just happening to me... Thanks!

JLH comments just several comments below this one

I got ...........

........... Access denied
You are not authorized to access this page.

Hacker troll?

“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul

You're a disgusting troll!

Go away!

So This Is The Key

We need to have 1162 delegates at the convention who are Ron Paul supporters. That does not mean they are his delegates. It does not matter who they are "pledged" to. Because if McSain does not get "1162 bound" delegates then basically we slowing start voting for Dr. Paul depending on your state rules.

Does this sound right. I mean yes we could try to convince McCain supporters to come our way after he does not get the majority. I would say that is very unlikely. More likely, everyone possible moves their way up the delegate process and DO NOT START TROUBLE. You will not be going to national if you make it known this is the goal.

here is the count

if it doesn't open to the count click in the upper right hand corner where it say "delegate count"

http://www.politico.com/

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

So i guess you don't care that Ron Paul says he isn't dropping out and will continue to push for delegates then?

If you aren't going to listen to the man, why don't you just leave then eh?

He can't leave...

He needs to log 60 hours this week on the DP site to get his troll check.... heh

McCain will get the pledge delegates He Needs By Indiana/NC

If you total up all the upcoming contests with pledged and unpledged delegates you will realize that McCain will receive enough delegates by Indiana on May 6th. It is obvious that he will achieve this number even before the Hoosier state. My friends keep getting involved in the delegate race to start the movement for the next race, since McCain will not win the general election against Hillary or Obama. Of course. getting the money and grassroot support for people running for Congress, Senate, State House & Senate is vital for now on. Keep heading out to be a delegate because we must make our presence known at the St. Paul convention.

Why don't people just look

Why don't people just look this up for themselves if they don't believe instead of posted this crap.

Please show us how Mccain will lock up the nomination by IN i really want to hear this one.

You still do not understand the delegate process.

Dr. Steve Parent

actually

he already has it locked up

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

http://207.44.144.49/~ron...

He's got it so locked up that retarded Dr.Paul is telling us to KEEP pushing for delegates in the upcoming states. Perhaps Ron Paul is deluded and should listen to you then eh JLH? :-)

nyah ha.....we win....YOU LOSE HUMMUS!

bwhahahahaha

JLH

Your comments convince me you do not have a very high regard for Dr.Paul's astuteness regarding politics. His political campaign has proven many anti Paul people wrong as he is still around, and doing well (in spite of what you want us to believe). As the home page says, There were 11, now there are 2.

Do you really think that Dr Paul would keep campaigning if he couldn't see positives and the chances still out there??? Give me his insight and perseverance anytime

Get real JLH...

You are a McCain , that is if you have the nous to understand even at least some of politics.
I would be so totally embarrassed to be associated in any form with McInsane.. but there ya go..

McCain

has all the delegates he needs and will get almost all the remaining delegates..there is nothing that can stop him

This might stop your man. Unless of course rules don't apply to

him. Now his delegates from Ohio wouldn't count had he never applied for the federal matching funds program. When he accepted matching funds it allowed him to bypass getting on the ballot in Ohio through the signature process.

McCain won a clean sweep of the four March 4th Republican states, but in order to arrive at the RNC convention with a fighting chance against the eventual Democratic nominee John McCain needs to be able to withdraw from the Federal matching funds program.

If he is not released from the Federal funding program McCain is subject to spending limits that would lead to his campaign being outspent by Democrats at a ratio of 10 to 1.

The road to leaving the program is going to be a long and difficult one for McCain, despite what his lawyers would like the public to believe.

McCain was declared eligible for the matching funds program last summer, and he kept the door open to receiving funds all the way through Fall and up until just before Super Tuesday when he notified the FEC that he wished to withdraw from the program.

The FEC chairman David Mason then responded to McCain’s request with a letter, which McCain’s campaign received on February 19th , which stated that he can not officially leave the federal program until the FEC officially rules on his case and releases him.

Now the case itself (which hinges on the terms of a loan McCain received from a Florida bank and whether or not eventual federal funds were used by McCain as collateral thus trapping him in the federal program) is not a certainty although McCain’s lawyers are declaring that the loan is not an issue.

Some legal experts say that the McCain team is on shaky legal ground. The problem is that no candidate has been this manipulative of the system before, so there is no firm legal precedent. McCain’s legal team has simply stated that federal matching funds are constitutional because they are voluntary; implying it should also be voluntary to leave the program, but Chairman Mason disagrees.

Even assuming that McCain would be able to get the FEC board to rule in his favor, the biggest problem he is having right now is getting the case heard and ruled upon at all.

This is because the FEC is made up of a board of six seats, all of which are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate. Currently only two seats are filled. President Bush has nominated four, but the Senate is in gridlock about how to vote on the nominees. The Republican minority wants all four nominees to be approved or disapproved as a single group, either all in or all out. And the Democratic leadership wants individual hearings on each nominee. The reason for this is that the Senate Democrats point to one nominee in particular, Hans von Spakovsky, who they say has a questionable ethical record.

So right now, while the Senate is in gridlock, McCain is making the decision to charge forward like there is no problem; this strategy could work out several ways. One scenario would eventually see at least 4 of the 6 FEC board seats filled, allowing for a quorum that rules in McCain’s favor releasing McCain from federal spending limits. In a different scenario the FEC board is not seated for several more weeks or even months, and by the time they rule McCain has already exceeded federal spending limits, and if they rule against him, he would have broken the law. The catch is that McCain’s lawyers can argue until they are blue in the face about whether or not he should be allowed out of the federal funding program based on the terms of the loan, but it is an extremely clear cut rule that McCain has to wait to go over the spending limit until the FEC holds a quorum to officially release him with their legal decision. If the FEC board rules against him after he has already exceeded federal spending limits he would be facing criminal charges and a large fine that would be a huge black eye for his candidacy.

Regardless of what the final outcome of the case is, one thing is certain, McCain has gone from the straight talk express to being bunkered down with a team of lawyers to fight his way out of a shady deal that is justifiably being labeled by Democrats as

http://www.politicallore....

he's not

My man..but he does have the delgates, like him or not

http://www.politico.com/

So he thinks......mmmm

Little does your man know.

Get the hell out of here JLH

Get the hell out of here JLH you have been proven wrong on that statement afor 2 days

Dr. Steve Parent

No

no one has proven me wrong..you have no credible source to back your claim

Uh,

you haven't proven yourself right, and have no credible source to back your claim.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato

yes

Would you like

a glass of water to wash down that crap you're swallowing? Media's got you right where they want you, gladly eating the slop they're feeding you.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato

You are a LIAR get the hell

You are a LIAR

get the hell out of here

Dr. Steve Parent