Explain Please how Ron Paul wins his congressional seat by landslide yet those very same voters give McCain their vote for the

-- opps wrong forum.

wormhole

I just had the most AMAZING revealation!!! People didnt' vote for him because they LIKE HIM, but didn't think he had a chance in hell of winning, so instead of voting for him as president and "throwing away their vote" they voted for McCain and Huckabee, whom they saw as possible winners. Just the same way people having been voting for candidates at EVERY ELECTION for a long long time.

This one is easy. Americans like to vote for a winner- whether he's the best candidate or not. No one likes to go into the office and say "I voted for the guy who got 5%."

So the hard core Ron Paul supporters vote for him, but those that are less committed say "well, McCain is going to win anyway and be my parties nominee, so I'm going to vote for him"

www.ronpaul2008.com

many people don't vote the whole ballot, they go and vote their chose for president and pretty much leave the rest of the ballot blank. So if you have say 10,000 voters turn out in the 14th Texas District, and say 800 are Ron Paul Supporters, then they mark him in both spots. So he has 800 votes for Congress and 800 for president. The other 9200 are none RP supporters and vote for McCain/Huckabee. Some of these McCain/Huckabee supporters DO vote the 14th spot, for Peden, though MOST just blank in McCain or Huckabee and leave the rest blank. And sure, there are going to be some that think he's a good Congressman but not President. Do some research before you cry voter fraud, you'll probably discover that only about 1/10 of the 14th district voters who cast a vote for Republican Presidential Nominee bothered to vote for the 14th Dis. Congressman spot.

anyone from district 14 TX, what have you all been eating for the last two days or is it something in the air? It's stinky...you've better hope it was the mechine's fault.

Diebold vote fraud.

They thought he will be a great Congressman but not a good President

Maybe they just wanna keep him for themselves!

If Ron Paul himself came up to you and told you it was pretty much over you'd call him a troll... or you'd say, "Pretty much? So you mean there's a chance?"

Look at "Voting Equipment Listed by County" PDF under Voting Systems

I just skimmed through them, but it looks like EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in Texas uses DRE or opti-scan electronic voting machines. No paper ballots.

http://www.sos.state.tx.u...

P.S. I know about tilting an election to 49/51% but adding hundreds of thousands of votes, hey why not? They've had years to perfect the software and modems on these machines.

Election fraud--the evidence is EVERYWHERE. Someone needs to grab another vat-o-da-java.

is calculated by the number of votes cast for a particular election. For example, say this is for a precinct chair position:
Candidate X won 70 votes
Candidate Y won 30 votes
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total votes cast: 100 votes

Candidate X won 70% of the votes. That percentage is independent of the fact that 130,000 people voted for the POTUSA. 129,900 people didn't vote for the Precinct Chair position.

This would tell us that McCain/Romney/Huckabee supporters didn't cast a vote for Ron Paul to help him win his Congressional seat, nor did they cast a vote for Peden because he's not well-liked. Most voters simply refused (abstained) from voting for the Congressional ballot.

You also have to take into account that only U.S. Representative District 14 was allowed to vote for Ron Paul's Congressional Seat, while all of Congressional District 11 voted on the ballot for Ron Paul for President.

In other words, different counties voted on the two ballots, so it makes it hard to determine who voted for whom.

You can get the results here:
http://enr.sos.state.tx.u...

I agree and have been thinking the same thing. I also find it odd that if my meetup in Columbus Ohio has 600 and the vote for the area is 3800 they are saying each one in the meetup basically got 3-6 other votes? And this is in a county where I drove everywhere and saw ZERO McCain signs.
I know I got at least a dozen to vote for him in my precinct. I am waiting for the official results but that will be a while. I will then see how many were in my specific precinct

meanwhile I have also called all local media and asked them why they keep repeating the false delgate count of John McCain. I tell them about thegreenpapers.com website that shows the true pledged count and he does not have enough pledged

Please all call you local media and ask them why they repeat false information instead of looking into the true numbers.

The truth is that there is no logical explanation for this because it's fraud.

I, like many other Ron Paul supporters, am very active with politics (I live in D.C. no less) and have talked politics with hundreds and hundreds of people in the last several months. Finding ANYONE who is a McCain supporter AND actually voted or plans to vote for him is very rare. I have found many, many Clinton and Obama supporters though. GWB has destroyed the GOP, and the vast majority of Republicans simply do not support him. And even beyond that, McCain's stance on illegal immigration would surely be enough for any self-respecting Conservative to shun his candidacy...And they did until very recently.

At my polling place - and many others in the VA/MD/DC area - there wasn't much of a Republican voter turnout in general. The numbers that McCain has been getting are so far out there that this situation deserves a high level of scrutiny. You can call it what you want, but I am convinced that this election is rigged. There have been so many unscrupulous tactics to derail Dr. Paul's candidacy during the course of this election that this simply cannot be denied.

And for those of you that don't buy into the "kooky" conspiracy theories, do yourself a huge favor and learn the real history of America...For it is riddled with conspiracy. From mass voter fraud, to denial of internment camps, to the Tuskeegee Experiment...the precedent is already there.

Vote RON PAUL 2008
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I actually heard a CNN announcement today that showed a photo of RON PAUL and a message stating that he had won his District with over-whelming results; they went on to say he hadn't done too good in his home state of Texas, however. Nice of them to point that out wasn't it.

They also mentioned that DENNIS KUCINICH has taken control of his District as well. Don't remember them saying anything else about him.

As a side note:
-- I really do think this would be a grand ticket // RON PAUL & DENNIS KUCINICH. Both are friends, as I understand it. Both come from opposite sides of the aisle, as they like to say in Congress. I would think that might make for an ideal situation here in the USA // both sides (both major parties) being represented and not so much one-sided. Both take pride in remarking that they are the only true representative of their Party, that the others have lost their way. Just my wild thoughts triggered by this thread.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTI...

He got 10-15% in the counties he represented keeping McCain just under 50% in those counties. Face it The masses show up to vote for who they believe will be the winner, thats all.

As RonPauler wrote, they've been told he's not a contender.

The way we vote now (plurality voting), we can only boost one contender and can't leave a real opinion on them all. It leads to tactical, rather than honest, voting. And plurality ends up favoring, at most, two contenders, and two well-entrenched parties. See Duverger's Law.

If, however, we voted by scoring all the players the way we rate and score performance (0-5 stars, 0-99, even just "like"/"don't like"), then results from contests with more than two candidates can be very different, particularly in situations like the presidential primary in Texas' 14th.

This method is called "range voting", or the score system. We use it all the time in our lives, and yet we haven't sufficiently demanded to use it in our states' elections.

Establishment politicians aren't likely to see a problem. It's up to us.

Collectivism is slavery.

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They've been told they have to vote for Huckabee to make a "moral" statement.

They've been told they have to vote for McCain to settle the nomination quickly so the party can move on to defeating the Democrat Party's nominee.

They've been told Ron Paul cannot win. If they want to have a voice, they have to participate in the "two-man" race.

Maybe they were afraid to lose him in congress. He is there for his people. As president he'd not be so available.

I also don't understand why Ron didn't do better in Texas & elsewhere. All I kept reading on here was that "he's at the top of the ballot, he's doing to do great!" Then, these same miserable numbers. How could Huckster do better than Ron in his own state? Watching "Battle of the Jaywalk Allstars" this week made me realize that most people have a big airspace in their skulls. My husband & I will most likely be state delegates & I'm very thrilled to have the opp'ty to continue to support Ron, but my husband & I are going to have to pay $300 to participate. I hate to see this as money down the drain if we're just going to get steamrollered by McCain.

oh I'm sure those people like ron paul as a congressman, but would say "I dont think he could ever be voted to be president" or use that mentality to not vote for him as president
I mean, thats most people's excuses
1. not votable
2. one or two issues they disagree with

its the same everywhere

Rich in NH