Time to get America ready for President Paul
Posted March 5th, 2008 by fatima
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If America thinks McCain is the winner and then Ron Paul ends up winning during the convention, imagine the shock and repercussions.
How will that be dealt with?
Will Americans be happy? Incredulous?
How will the media spin things?
We must win the heart of America and have an alternate source for news and entertainment. That is a big summer assignment.
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I was thinking the same thing.
What if the McCainers are the ones to start the chaos that brings down Martial Law? There are going to be some angry people out there.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison
good thread, fatima
I've been pondering the same thing myself. Politics is perception. I think the best way to lay the groundwork for this is to simply keep doing what we've been doing all along: spread the word! Make more videos, write LsTTE, call talk shows, go on interested TV shows (public access cable TV, or more prominent if available), put out signs... just keep pushing! The more people find out about the RPR, the more they warm up to the idea. At this point we're getting close to the only major barrier being the "he can't win" mindset; if that's the biggest objection remaining by September, then a convention win won't be a problem. :-)
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I agree
and continue to speak to people about whether or not they support the Constitution by voting for and supporting specific candidates and policies that are unConstitutional. Whether I'm at the market, the pub, or on the ski lift, it doesn't matter, I compare and contrast their candidates to Dr. Paul. Many are responsive, interested, and some I've immediately converted. Others are just plain stupid, however.
Los Angeles KFIAM640(Fox) mentioned RP aiming for GOP Convention
...so it looks like most MSM outlets know our strategy by this time. They obviously downplayed the earth shattering triumph of RP over Peden...no mention at all of the neo-con defeat in TX-14.
"In circuit motorsport, a driver has..."Paul position" when he or she starts a race at the front of the grid."
More Delegate Info Needed
No supporter should ever go to their caucus or convention unprepared. This info needs to be more readily available.
I know you can find it on the main site but I have read posts where people are confused. We need every person who is willing, to try to make it as far as possible in the delegate process.
Become a delegate for Ron Paul.
Let's worry about how the media is going to spin the election of Ron Paul after we elect him. There are some naysayers here that belong in another site. But we enjoy your participation OhioanforPaul
Political parties have rules and processes for a reason
Ultimately, it is the PARTIES and not the people who nominate the candidate to represent the PARTY in the election. The RULES of the parties ALLOW delegates to vote however they please under certain circumstances. This is the way things are done. The public votes are binding in some states, not in others, and this is the way the parties are set up. it is set up that way to ensure that only REAL REPUBLICANS (i.e. those who are committed to the party, are registered, have paid delegate fees, have supported the party, have gone to caucuses, have debated the platform, etc) get to actually make the decision on the nominee. Otherwise, you could have tons of democrats purposely voting for the weakest republican in the public primaries (just like Limbaugh told all his sheep to vote for Hillary in Ohio and Texas, to try to give McCain a beatable opponent)
A whole bunch of the votes McCain has gotten have been from democrats trying to give the GOP a weak candidate! This is a fact. This is the way politics goes! I personally know people who always vote a straight republican ticket in the general election, and EVERY PRIMARY they vote for the weakest democrat, to try to undermine the dem's and give the GOP an easy win.
The convention is a way to ensure that the will of the party faithful is followed, as it is the party faithful--actual Republicans--who SHOULD be allowed to choose who will represent their party in the election.
This seems upside down.
I think the political parties should exist to help individuals become elected officials.
The president shouldn't be the party mascot; a figurehead that totes the line and does the parties bidding. That would be an oligarchy, right?
Well, they do, in a way
They act as an affiliation that candidates can take advantage of, with a built in voter base, ideology, and infrastructure. The reality of it is these two political parties have outgrown their usefulness and need to be replaced, just as others have been over the years. The Whigs, the Federalists, the Know-Nothings, and other parties all fell by the wayside; with the Democrats (formerly known as the Democratic-Republicans) and the Republicans emerging as the dominant parties. And they should be able to exist as an expression of freedom of association, but they should not be able to wield the power they do over the political process; instead all political parties should be treated equally.
Knowledge before desire
Americans can't want something they don't know. If they learn about Ron Paul during the summer, they may be elated to hear that their delegates are not stuck in the past misinformation of early winter.
I've read somewhere that...
as a State delegate, you can change the rules to "unbind" the delegates before the convention...
Anyone know how true this statement is?
all the best!
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You're talking about this statement:
These guys don't want Ron Paul, but they do understand the delegate system.
RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY THE DELEGATES THEMSELVES!
OpenGOPConvention.com is a project of the federal Patriot PAC, and in the coming days and weeks we will be mounting an aggressive campaign of media ads and drumming up grassroots support all over the country with one goal in mind:
… TO STOP THE NOMINATION OF JOHN MCCAIN!
But That's Not All…
What happens if John McCain can secure the magical number of 1191. That makes his nomination inevitable, right?
WRONG!
**The delegates to the GOP Convention are bound by certain rules and THOSE RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY THE DELEGATES THEMSELVES!**
Remember the Democratic National Convention of 1980? Senator Ted Kennedy's supporters — seeking to unbind the convention delegates ON THE FIRST BALLOT — actually mounted a credible challenge to the rules.
Of course the challenge failed because a majority of the delegates were already committed in their hearts and minds to President Jimmy Carter.
But McCain is no incumbent president. He's not loved! Ask yourself, what would happen if the delegates actually had the opportunity NOT TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN ON THE FIRST BALLOT?
Interesting website...
h ttp://opengopconvention.com/
They are pushing for a Dark Horse candidate...take their poll at the bottom of the page. Incredibly you will have to write in Ron Paul's name in the "other" category but I think they need to know he is viable in this regard.
OK, help me out here
This sounds to me like delegates could move to suspend the rules immediately and then make a motion to change the delegate bindings. If the GOP follows Robert's Rules then that suspension motion would require a 2/3 vote of seated delegates (making it important to be credentialed and seated!) and then the vote requires what?
I'm not GOP so I'm guessing that's the case, but could someone clarify it? Having a parliamentarian who's up on the GOP convention rules etc is becoming a must.
That
I don't know. I just read that and saved it. But it's definitely worth looking into :)
Work harder than ever!
Canvas your precincts, write letters to the editor, get on radio talk shows and let them know Ron Paul is still a VERY viable candidate. We can win this election yet - the best is yet to come!!!!!!!!
The nomination is over. The
The nomination is over. The discussion should be a third party run. McCrap will win the next nine states. 90 percent of Americans think the race is over.
How can the nomination be
How can the nomination be over when McCain's statements about winning the nomination are based on lies?
The nomination is over
Where do we go from here? A third party run would be disastrous. Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman running on a third party ticket? Surreal.
No it's not...
Do we have to drill it in to your head that Ron Paul will not run third party???
Use a bigger drill bit.
Use a bigger drill bit.
He has 1135 delegates, we
He has 1135 delegates, we have 52. Now how do you come to this point.
well not exactly
McCain is counting Romney delegates that can't vote for him on the first vote, then of course there is Ohio. But what he is trying to say is that if on the first vote McCain doesn't have the necessary delegates and then he relies on Romney people on the second vote, then they have made a mistake because even though we don't have as many awarded delegates, we probably have the most actually people on the ground, even though they are bound to vote for whoever won their state during the primaries. But they are only bound on the first vote.
But the point still is we
But the point still is we have 52 delegates. Let's say he doesn't win the nomination on first vote, doubtful cause he'll sweep the rest of the states. So then the Paul people are just going to disregard the vote of their states and vote for Paul. That is not Republic(an).
Remember, six months ago...
Guiliani was the anointed one..."Why have primaries, the polls show Guiliani is the favorite?" Well, we see how THAT worked out ...A lot of things can happen to the McCain campaign before the convention. A really bad scandal or illness could sideline McCain. Ron Paul is finally getting a LOT of attention from the business media now. Trust me, if delegates vote to unbind, it will because they finally realize a McCain candiacy could mean the end of the Republican Party as a major player in US politics.
You're not certain how this process works, are you?
Some states have bound delegates... some don't.
Your assertion that delegates are not allowed to vote their conscience (after the 1st round for some - right off the bat for others) is absurd.
I'm arguing principle. Let's
I'm arguing principle. Let's say we sign up all the delegates and McCrap doesn't win the first vote. Then all our delegates vote for RP the second time and he wins. Don't you think there are going to be some upset people that the will of the voter was not followed. Not to mention this would also bury our movement. It's hard to claim ourselves to be a freedom movement when we don't listen to the people.
Let us not forget
that if it were up truly up to the people George W. Bush would have never become President in the first place! Remember Al Gore actually won the popular vote. (not that I like Gore, I am just stating a fact here)
So I think that when (and yes I meant to say WHEN) Dr. Paul's many delegates vote for him at the convention and he wins the nomination versus McSlain most people may be surprised, but I doubt they will be completely shocked.
It has happened before and will happen again.
I think as supporters we need to keep our noses to the grindstone and believe in our hearts that we still have a chance! If we don't they have not defeated us, we have defeated OURSELVES!
The delegate process...
has been in place in the Several States since our Nation was formed.
The rules of the game are clear.
The Paul campaign is playing the game the way they see fit, and within the framework of the way the Party has established the nomination process.
IMO, RP has got to be the most shrewd person to run for office in quite some time. He's been labeled as Crazy, Racist, Isolationist, Backward, Xenophobic, etc, etc, etc. He's been virtually ignored by most MSM outlets... although when they want straight answers and insight they'll talk to him... but that does not make you upset???
Are you for real?
Please think about what you are saying.
And actually listen to me too.
Do you think there will be
Do you think there will be some upset people when hundreds of thousands of people vote for a candidate, tens of thousands of people raise tens of millions of dollars for him, work their asses off all across the country to try to get him recognition, and then there is widespread voter fraud and a media blackout to keep these disenfranchised voters' voices from being heard? If you want to argue principle, then you have to assume that coverage is equal so that each candidate gets heard and people are given a choice.
www.paulforronpaul.com
Are delegates slaves?
How can any candidate *have* delegates? These are people not machines. For a reason. This is a Republic not a Democracy. Machines can be rigged. People can vote their brains and conscience.
As far as I know, nobody knows what those delegates will do.
So you advocate these
So you advocate these delegates ignore the voice of the people and vote for "what we think is best because the people are stupid."
Very non Republic(an) of you.
This is a republic, we follow what the people say.
We're talking GOP rules, not election law here.
The GOP in the various states wrote their bylaws in order to give their delegates whatever level of independence they believed proper in assuring the state party's interests. If their rules allow delegates to NOT bind themselves to a candidate who nominally "won" their votes in a primary or caucus, then that's every bit as principled an option as the more common one where they simply vote the way the primary/caucus results turned out. All of this is completely internal to the party and considerations of fairness to the public or to some democratic or republican ideal are irrelevant. In principle, these primaries and caucuses shouldn't even be conducted as government elections, for they select the state party's choice to represent them as a private political organization. The GOP is NOT a part of the government, and voters have no rights in these proceedings apart from the contractual obligation of the party to follow its rules.
fatima said it best:
Machines can be rigged. People can vote their brains and conscience.
You do not understand what a Republic is.
Go back to your mob and be manipulated.
(Not angry- just trying to get to the point.)
A Republic means We the
A Republic means We the People. The people decide. Maybe you should pick up the Constitution and refresh your memory.
Political Parties have rules and processs for a reason
Ultimately, it is the PARTIES and not the people who nominate the candidate to represent the PARTY in the election. The RULES of the parties ALLOW delegates to vote however they please under certain circumstances. This is the way things are done. The public votes are binding in some states, not in others, and this is the way the parties are set up. it is set up that way to ensure that only REAL REPUBLICANS (i.e. those who are committed to the party, are registered, have paid delegate fees, have supported the party, have gone to caucuses, have debated the platform, etc) get to actually make the decision on the nominee. Otherwise, you could have tons of democrats purposely voting for the weakest republican in the public primaries (just like Limbaugh told all his sheep to vote for Hillary in Ohio and Texas, to try to give McCain a beatable opponent....do you seriously think that a whole bunch of the votes McCain has gotten have not been from democrats trying to give the GOP a weak candidate? This is the way politics goes! The convention is a way to ensure that the will of the party faithful is followed, as it is the party faithful--actual Republicans--who SHOULD be allowed to choose who will represent their party in the election.
Get over it, Ohioan.
A republic is a form of government
"Section 4 - Republican government
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
What is your view of the role of delegates?
The rule of "We the People" is mob rule. Also known as pure Democracy.
True, but don't mix up party operations and gummint operations
because they are different.
Finally, somebody is actually doing the work,
understanding it, and stating the facts regarding the U.S. Constitution. I love you, fatima...as a fellow Paulite Patriot, of course.